Eden_Warlock99
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Man I hate EZA Int Gotenks
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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There were people doing this in DBH, and I was focusing more on Xeno Goku (I was playing DBH WM at the time) but I stopped. I'm no longer interested.
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Yeah just realized, that P/A section is clean af (and also much more lenient than the tiering...)
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Anyone remember this?
Good times, good times
Good times, good times
In the resistance to radiation, remove the blitz wave justification, the wiki decided to remove it due to there not being any tangible comparison to how much it takes to kill someone
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I forget, is "Super Perfect Cell" ever mentioned in any external media?
Nullflowerblush
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When I see "Xeno Goku" and "he's dead serious", I expect to see, like, 18th-dimensional scaling off the backs of vaguely flowery upscaling.
Island level?? Higher with Biting?????
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In Daizenshuu 2 I believe he's referred to as Revived Cell. I think Super Perfect Cell is just useful nickanme assigned by the fans.
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On XenoVerse they also call it just "Cell (Full Power)" fsr.
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as far as i am aware, that form of Cell is either called "Full Power" or "Perfect" with his perfect form being called "Perfect Form"......at least in the games, no idea about guides
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Okay, wait, I found it,
- Heroes uses "超完全体" (Chō Kanzentai), which is "Super Perfection".
- Daizenshuu 5 says "超完全体となって復活した...?!", which is "He was resurrected in a Super Perfect form...?!"
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Ah, nice.
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Super Perfect Cell as a name also appears in games, like RB2. It’s not a “solid” piece of evidence (given games can be wrong, see Raditz’s stated rank in basically any title before the late 2010’s), but it is supplementary.
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That’s right, Null. He has the secrets of true Dragon Ball scaling. Any cosmic feat you see? Outlier. All statements? Lies. Canon? Whatever makes my agenda look better.
All characters are wall level until further notice.
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Isn't it easier to say "hyperbole" than to come up with this huge sentence?
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have you visited comicvine? you'd still find trolls who believe that. Heck there's still those ancient powerscalers from the Triassic Age over on OBD who think buu saga characters aren't planetary
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"—There was another scene I wanted to ask you about. Vegeta creates a small artificial moon during his fight with Goku and he says "But only when [the sunlight] is reflected by the Moon does it contain Green-Spectrum Radiation [Blutz Waves]... When the Moon is full, that radiation exceeds 17 million zeno units."
—These "Blutz Waves" exist in Dragon Ball, but is there anything like them in the real world?
"Terada: This is difficult to interpret... Vegeta says, "moonlight is only sunlight reflected", but when I thought about it again, I think that Blutz Waves are actually the reflected light of sunlight. Since, the reflected light from sunlight are electromagnetic waves, if Blutz Waves are some kind of wave, then they'd be electromagnetic I think... Take a look at this diagram of the different views of the Moon."
"When the Moon is viewed using radio waves, it looks like the one on the upper left, but if you look at the one right next to it it's completely white. That's how the Moon looks when viewed with submillimeter waves. The sun emits various kinds of electromagnetic waves, and when they hit the Moon and are reflected back to us, we can see totally different phenomena just like these images show us."
"Exceeds" is this enough resistance to radiation or
That's because they absorb radiation, not because of exposure to radiation that attacks them. But electromagnetic waves should be dangerous to humans even using those numbers.
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Was there a 5-A downgrade crt from the beginning of the Z or was it just me?
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That was never actually on the table.
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Hey Null, is SSJ Rage a variable of SSJ1 or SSJ2 (like Rose)? Or is it an entirely different transformation?
It's because I was seeing what name it is given in different places and in the media/product outside of anime they call it different ways.
Now he has the Genki Dama sword, I don't remember if it's rage, because it has a blue aura that could perhaps be the Genki Dama. Anyway, I saw a local saying SSJ and SSJ2 to Genki Dama.
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if the waves are just emited by the Full Moon, wouldn't the quantity not be in a dangerous level since normal humans are not affected at all by it and the waves it emits when the full moon happens on Earth?"—There was another scene I wanted to ask you about. Vegeta creates a small artificial moon during his fight with Goku and he says "But only when [the sunlight] is reflected by the Moon does it contain Green-Spectrum Radiation [Blutz Waves]... When the Moon is full, that radiation exceeds 17 million zeno units."
—These "Blutz Waves" exist in Dragon Ball, but is there anything like them in the real world?
"Terada: This is difficult to interpret... Vegeta says, "moonlight is only sunlight reflected", but when I thought about it again, I think that Blutz Waves are actually the reflected light of sunlight. Since, the reflected light from sunlight are electromagnetic waves, if Blutz Waves are some kind of wave, then they'd be electromagnetic I think... Take a look at this diagram of the different views of the Moon."
"When the Moon is viewed using radio waves, it looks like the one on the upper left, but if you look at the one right next to it it's completely white. That's how the Moon looks when viewed with submillimeter waves. The sun emits various kinds of electromagnetic waves, and when they hit the Moon and are reflected back to us, we can see totally different phenomena just like these images show us."
"Exceeds" is this enough resistance to radiation orradiation absorption?
That's because they absorb radiation, not because of exposure to radiation that attacks them. But electromagnetic waves should be dangerous to humans even using those numbers.
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yes, there has enough votes to be applied recently
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The moon emits light from the sun and the sun emits electromagnetic waves [green spectrum] so the color of the moon is like this. They absorb it even during a full moon the figure exceeds 17 million, not because of the radiation exposure, but the waves they absorb, which we should be able to calculate?
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Our only definitive hints from secondary sources are official concept art and the episode preview using the name "Super Trunks".
Take my word for it. My wireless mouse is on the fritz right now, and I don't have the patience to try and grab the exact text with it acting like that.
Given Trunks initially powered up in Super Saiyan 2, and its parallels to the enhanced Super Saiyan 2 he demonstrated in the manga, I'm leaning towards Rage being a Power Stressed variation of Super Saiyan 2—like Super Saiyan 2 Grade Two. Or Three. Grade Three Trunks was "Super Trunks" once.
Yes.
That, and Blutz Waves are absorbed through the eyes.
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i kinda headcanon it as a precursor to SSB but thats not supported anywhere
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Huh. It occurs to me that Toei Saiyans would have improved Blutz Wave absorption in comparison to their canon selves. Or that Blutz Waves just function differently at Toei when cranked to 17 Billion Zenos, rather than 17 Million.
After all, Baby absorbed it through getting shot by the beam in the back/sides. It also totally can recharge Ki and amplify your powers within GT, too.
After all, Baby absorbed it through getting shot by the beam in the back/sides. It also totally can recharge Ki and amplify your powers within GT, too.
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Based on what Vegeta said, moon light is basically reflected sunlight+blutz(green spectrum) radiation"—There was another scene I wanted to ask you about. Vegeta creates a small artificial moon during his fight with Goku and he says "But only when [the sunlight] is reflected by the Moon does it contain Green-Spectrum Radiation [Blutz Waves]... When the Moon is full, that radiation exceeds 17 million zeno units."
—These "Blutz Waves" exist in Dragon Ball, but is there anything like them in the real world?
"Terada: This is difficult to interpret... Vegeta says, "moonlight is only sunlight reflected", but when I thought about it again, I think that Blutz Waves are actually the reflected light of sunlight. Since, the reflected light from sunlight are electromagnetic waves, if Blutz Waves are some kind of wave, then they'd be electromagnetic I think... Take a look at this diagram of the different views of the Moon."
"When the Moon is viewed using radio waves, it looks like the one on the upper left, but if you look at the one right next to it it's completely white. That's how the Moon looks when viewed with submillimeter waves. The sun emits various kinds of electromagnetic waves, and when they hit the Moon and are reflected back to us, we can see totally different phenomena just like these images show us."
"Exceeds" is this enough resistance to radiation orradiation absorption?
That's because they absorb radiation, not because of exposure to radiation that attacks them. But electromagnetic waves should be dangerous to humans even using those numbers.
Now his power ball simulates that, but there's no ozone layer to counteract most of the spectrum in sunlight, unlike when it's coming from the moon and has to pass through the Earth's ozone layer, but this is basically semantics, I dint thinking Toriyama thought that far. so there MAY be something there, but unlikely
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This seems pretty good, just adjusted minor spelling errors with "Enhanced"
Maybe a different image at the top of the page would be better
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Oh, I didn't realize other people were going to find that months-old video. I was actively thinking about writing my own video in response to it, since I haven't done anything for my channel in eons.
I don't agree with a lot of the points presented, though, with a lot of it coming down to incredulity; "How can Super Saiyan really still be this powerful when the base Saiyans are supposedly stronger than merged Piccolo now? That doesn't make any sense."
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Well, to be fair for DBS, the powerscaling problem is just more prominent and one arc, the rest of that arcs are not bad.
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I like what you have, although I would have preferred a gif.
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NullflowerBlush Channel? Insane…Time to binge.
But also, this reminds me of the VunderGuy video, something I believe is incredibly incorrect because its basis is shortchanging the Saiyans by a lot. Specifically in technological and mental development, as well as specific details (level of FTL travel the Saiyans are capable of, underselling the physical resistances of Saiyans, overlooking the incredible range of Saiyan attacks, greatly overselling Viltrumite Technology, strategy, etc.)
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Making that sandbox, I wondered.
Does the SSJ4 have any multipliers? I practically don't see anything about GT on this wiki.
Does the SSJ4 have any multipliers? I practically don't see anything about GT on this wiki.
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I believe it has a minimum of 10x ssj3, based on being a refined version of the golden great ape
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You including Toei stuff? They have different abilities too
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Golden Oozaru = SSJ1(50x) + Oozaru(10x) = 500x, SSJ4 would obviously upscale from that, i heard that there is more, but i don't remember details
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None that are known, explicitly. The common hypothesis in the fandom, though, is 500x or 4000x base. As it’s the power of “SSJ and Oozaru” to create the Golden Oozaru (so 10x from Oozaru and 50x from SSJ), and from the Dub it was stated to be “SSJ3” as well as Oozaru, so 400x combined with x10. But those are mere speculations, and honestly run counter to what we see.
Goku at SSJ3 was beneath SSJ Baby Vegeta. Baby Vegeta turned into a mutated SSJ2, (so at least 2x his prior SSJ power, and that means it physically can’t be lesser than double SSJ3’s, and Baby’s final form prior to the Oozaru is compared to SSJ3, so 4x even that). However, the SSJ3 line is a dubism, and contradicts what we know about GT Vegeta (he caps at SSJ2), as well as is totally inconsistent with what we know about Golden Oozaru in general.
The best approach would be making a lowball multiplier, like SSG. In this instance, taking the SSJ3 start level Goku was at, and multiplying it by the necessary values to get where Super Baby 2 was at.
(So 400 x 400, or 160,000), but again, that’d still be nothing but speculation.
