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It does seem hyperbolic
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Can you elaborate please?Conceptual one has been rejected far before when I was in the thread. OP has taken it back and only want the abstract existence to be evaluated.
Okay.Yeah, regardless of whether or not it "fits", that's not grounds to reject a CRT.
Well, OP want to upgrade Zamasu and Zeno to have Conceptual Manipulation, however i already explained it in some of my early comments that why both of them do not have that power, so he taken it back, right now we only evaluate Infinite Zamasu's Abstract Existence rating, which you can see my explanations in my commentsCan you elaborate please?
Can you elaborate please?
Basically, OP took it back because of the reasons @Vietthai96 explained. Abstract existence is all need to be evaluated which has been accepted already ig?Well, OP want to upgrade Zamasu and Zeno to have Conceptual Manipulation, however i already explained it in some of my early comments that why both of them do not have that power, so he taken it back, right now we only evaluate Infinite Zamasu's Abstract Existence rating, which you can see my explanations in my comments
I'm willing to agree with Type 1 AE for now.
Same.
DDM and planks agreed for AE Type 1 which is blatant. And this all need to be evaluated.Okay. Can somebody properly explain the arguments for what has been accepted here please?
Okay. That is probably fine then, but can you explain the new evidence and arguments in an easy to understand manner please?Anyway, the argument is, right now AE1 rating of Infinite Zamasu is only Possibly, however with the new updated evidences and arguments, we remove the Possibly rating, update IZ AE1's justification since it is very outdated, also Zeno's EE justification if this CRT get accepted
Game Zamasu also get updated
Okay. That is probably fine then, but can you explain the new evidence and arguments in an easy to understand manner please?
It was explained in my comment
Zamasu being a Will is stated in Toei Timeline, translated by Herm, a will is already abstract. Artbook however directly stated he become Ideas itself via the raw japanese, it is explained in my comment. Gowasu also stated him became Order and Justice itself, which clearly refering him become something abstract (Justice and Order is abstraction), it is also in line with him being a non-physical existence (cast aside his body, remain, divine vessel, etc...) which support him being abstract.
And while most of the time we don't use other dub or translations, but in this situation, all those translation into other language such as the one in OP all pointed at the same thing which is Infinite Zamasu being abstract being, order and justice itself, thus heavily support the validity of the AE1 rating
Lastly, while we can't really backscale game verse to canon/anime verse, game verse itself also directly stated the same thing. So i think, there is no doubt about Infinite Zamasu being AE1
Alright, would you mind open these following page??:Okay. If other staff members think that the evidence seems reliable, the accepted change(s) can probably be applied then.
thanks for helping me!Alright, would you mind open these following page??:
Fusion Zamasu (DBS Anime)
Zen'ō
I will apply the revision later when i get home, soon
I have unlocked them. Tell me here when you are done please.Alright, would you mind open these following page??:
Fusion Zamasu (DBS Anime)
Zen'ō
I will apply the revision later when i get home, soon
Alright, i'm done you can lock thosw profile, however would you mind open Son Goku (Super Dragon Ball Heroes)????, he need some edits as well, thank youI have unlocked them. Tell me here when you are done please.
Shouldn't Hearts, cc Goku, Fu and the universe tree have a high-godly regeneration denial with these changes in zamasu's profile?Alright, i'm done you can lock thosw profile, however would you mind open Son Goku (Super Dragon Ball Heroes)????, he need some edits as well, thank you
Edit: Also I forgot to mention this, Game Zamasu update is from mid-godly to high-godly regen, since he is now accepted as abstract ideas/conceptual being, game Zamasu like DBH regen from being erased as conceptual being.
yes, but i need to wait for Ant to unlock CC Goku, i forgot his profile is locked, i have edited other thoughShouldn't Hearts, cc Goku, Fu and the universe tree have a high-godly regeneration denial with these changes in zamasu's profile?
give thanks a certain guy who loves DBfinally dragon ball affecting highly divine. that's a nice up for the verse.
Abstract entities recurrently strictly embody a concept, thought or idea up to a certain level of reality. For example, Eternity only embodies time on a local, universal scale. If the universe is destroyed, so is he.
Hmm, i already think about this, we only have visual feat though, still IZ already become the universe at the time Zeno arrive, so if he want to erase the universe, he still need to interact with IZ first since the universe is also IZ, so i think the feat is valid. Also the ripple effect Zeno caused and IZ scream do look like IZ being affected, even a part of him already breach to other timelineMinor question, does Zeno have any feat to affect IZ rather than just erasing the entire universe? Because if that's the case then he likely has no NPI feat due to indirect influence (IZ is concept type 2 for now), as stated by AE page:
So how is that different from Eternity example in AE page?Hmm, i already think about this, we only have visual feat though, still IZ already become the universe at the time Zeno arrive, so if he want to erase the universe, he still need to interact with IZ first since the universe is also IZ, so i think the feat is valid
I wonder why Zeno erased the entire timeline and not just that specific universe, was Zamasu in all 12 universes?Hmm, i already think about this, we only have visual feat though, still IZ already become the universe at the time Zeno arrive, so if he want to erase the universe, he still need to interact with IZ first since the universe is also IZ, so i think the feat is valid. Also the ripple effect Zeno caused and IZ scream do look like IZ being affected, even a part of him already breach to other timeline
zeno is small little crazynutI wonder why Zeno erased the entire timeline and not just that specific universe, was Zamasu in all 12 universes?
I mean, IZ is the universe now, meanwhile Eternity is an aspect of the universe (time of the universe), which mean in order to affect the universe, Zeno need to affect IZ to actually affect and erase the universe, also IZ existence already breach beyond Future Trunks timeline, so just simply trying to erase the universe to create chain reaction will not work, Zeno also need to affect the part where IZ breached toSo how is that different from Eternity example in AE page?
Well plot reason, also IZ already breached himself into present timeline, Zene need to expand his EE to reach the totality of IZ existenceI wonder why Zeno erased the entire timeline and not just that specific universe, was Zamasu in all 12 universes?
has already been applied, there is nothing left to disagree or agree with.This just seems like a flowery way to say that Zanasu is trying to impose his ideas on everyone else through genocide. It isn’t something to be taken literally. We hear time and time again that Zamasu believes himself to be capable of dictating the nature of justice and order. Why would we suddenly assume this to be some kind of conceptual existence? I disagree
it makes sense, it's okayWell plot reason, also IZ already breached himself into present timeline, Zene need to expand his EE to reach the totality of IZ existence
Sorry for the double post, comment on phone is a pain
I see. I suppose it can be closedhas already been applied, there is nothing left to disagree or agree with.
Thanks you, i will edit it later at home
Well i finish editing, you can close the profile and the thread
I really wanted conceptual manipulation, but it only gave AE type 1So does Zamasu get concept manip as well or just AE type 1 without possibly