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Lets not talk about that(Infinite speed DB characters are seems close)
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Lets not talk about that(Infinite speed DB characters are seems close)
Agree to disagree, we don't know in the first place that DB universe was created or was ever existing, regardless if they were ever different, it would need a evidence as it falls under extraordinary claim. Every possibilities doesn't stand for anything illogical and to say some extraordinary changes would take place definitely require evidence.every timeline branches since the vary begining of creation of said timelines, aka every possibility for how said creation went also becomes real, we don't know when gt's branched, to say that it branched off the super timeline is baseless
I don't have any scans current which connect them. Like I said it comes down to a concept of likeliness. Yes you are right it can be different but it likely is the same.gt has the same cosmology as TOEIVERSE Z, not manga Z
the macrocosm map is still accepted on the wiki if you check the crt it’s just not using the map for A calc since it’s not drawn to scale (I even reread the crt)yeah, which also included the part about how the dbs anime doesn't use it at all, but i think that id we start to argue this here we will go off topic really fast
i read the said "top" and i disagree with on that, i concede on the number of planets thing
absolutely, me for instance agree with infinite universe toei
not really, cosmology between the two doesn't scale, MWI makes it so that every possibility for cosmologies comes true, so since we have no evidence of them sharing cosmology, we don't use one to the other, that was already decided the moment gt was dubbed an alternate timeline
It's obvious, but anyway...Lets not talk about that
While I agree with the premise of this thread that statement isn't entirely true considering how differently Hell is depicted between GT and Super.Yeah GT is confirmed to have the same cosmology as Z, and Z has the same cosmology as Super.
Well, there are several hells for each person, I think hell is divided into areas, with each evil being belonging to such a place.While I agree with the premise of this thread that statement isn't entirely true considering how differently Hell is depicted between GT and Super.
Agree to disagree, we don't know in the first place that DB universe was created or was ever existing, regardless if they were ever different, it would need a evidence as it falls under extraordinary claim. Every possibilities doesn't stand for anything illogical and to say some extraordinary changes would take place definitely require evidence.
very well, agree to disagree it isI don't have any scans current which connect them. Like I said it comes down to a concept of likeliness. Yes you are right it can be different but it likely is the same.
We can let mods decide whether or not the anime which follows the cosmology of DBZ virtually to a tee is the same cosmology.
not for the anime of dbs, the proposal was to remove the map completely since it isn't used in the anime at all, if you want to discuss this further, go to that thread, not this onethe macrocosm map is still accepted on the wiki if you check the crt it’s just not using the map for A calc since it’s not drawn to scale (I even reread the crt)
mb I didn’t notice you said that
i still believe that we should ask him directly, i will that right nowBtw Fire Storm is put twice on agree and Griffin agreed
It's obvious, but anyway...
Hell isnt depicted differently in GT and Super just that Super Frieza has his own individual hell which has fairies because he hates “good”While I agree with the premise of this thread that statement isn't entirely true considering how differently Hell is depicted between GT and Super.
fair enoughvery well, agree to disagree it is
not for the anime of dbs, the proposal was to remove the map completely since it isn't used in the anime at all, if you want to discuss this further, go to that thread, not this one
i still believe that we should ask him directly, i will that right now
you would be surprised
Can I see an image of Dragon Ball Super's Hell?While I agree with the premise of this thread that statement isn't entirely true considering how differently Hell is depicted between GT and Super.
Nah, he didn't, It's just I have worked on ben 10 Cosmology with firestorm, he once even told me in one of my thread that "I thought it was obvious that I agree when I am contributing to the OP with arguements and all and made my statement clear enough in the thread to be supportive" when I was thinking otherwise, so common sense.also fire told reiner he agreed offsite but you can ask him
Can I see an image of Dragon Ball Super's Hell?
Well, there are several hells for each person, I think hell is divided into areas, with each evil being belonging to such a place.
You need proof to back your claims, notice how (DBS) Frieza doesn't have a halo over his head while in Hell unlike (GT/Toei) Frieza or are you going to assume the fairies took it?Hell isnt depicted differently in GT and Super just that Super Frieza has his own individual hell which has fairies because he hates “good”
Please do not misrepresent the CRT, we are not using the same arguments, there have been new arguments with anime supporting it, your comment isn't helping much, we have two team members agreeing.basically this is a duplicate crt that doesn't put anything on top of a previously opened and unaccepted post it uses previously rejected arguments so I disagree.
? The previous rejected arguements? When was GT being a alternate Timeline was ever brought up? When was omega shenron statement ever brought up? Supported by alot of secondary evidences, The things this CRT follows is to go with things that has been properly established by alot of medias not misconception like we used to argue to disagree about "galaxies" and stuff.basically this is a duplicate crt that doesn't put anything on top of a previously opened and unaccepted post it uses previously rejected arguments so I disagree.
me toobasically this is a duplicate crt that doesn't put anything on top of a previously opened and unaccepted post it uses previously rejected arguments so I disagree.
Not necessarily. They pulled a Light Yagami-level move when they made GT canon as an alternate universe and now they are using it as a central argument. Quite the smart move.basically this is a duplicate crt that doesn't put anything on top of a previously opened and unaccepted post it uses previously rejected arguments so I disagree.
Hehehe , there will be more...Not necessarily. They pulled a Light Yagami-level move when they made GT canon as an alternate universe and now they are using it as a central argument. Quite the smart move.
Everything has been addressed and said, many things were repeated from previous thread and other were has been left to "agree and disagree", in page 2.I was too lazy to read the counter-arguments, can someone summarize them for me?
Then we are waiting for the staff, right?Everything has been addressed and said, many things were repeated from previous thread and other were has been left to "agree and disagree", in page 2.
No, 48 hrs of grace period, after that I'll inform @Firestorm808 that he can proceed with his Cosmology blog completion.Then we are waiting for the staff, right?
nope, we need 3 staffsNo, 48 hrs of grace period, after that I'll inform @Firestorm808 that he can proceed with his Cosmology blog completion.
basically this is a duplicate crt that doesn't put anything on top of a previously opened and unaccepted post it uses previously rejected arguments so I disagree.
It doesn't matter how many. What matters is Staff's opinion.Btw, how many people have to agree so this can be added?
I also asked for some, hope they help.Yeah, anyway, I've asked more staff for the input.
The curse of all dragon ball threadspeople, can we please not back and forth on this? we really don't need 7 pages of discussion
Exept when we see the universe from outside and there is a bound in form bubles around the universes
The point is there there is an edge, bulma is talking about the area she has to scan in search of the super dragon balls, if the universe was infinite changing position wouldn't matter for scaning the entire area since the distance would be the same since it would be infinite
This one of king kai is not talking about any "observable universe" anywhere, it is only talking about "the universe" in general, no where in the scan it says what you said
no, it says that it is talking about "the whole world" there, so it is talking about the entire universe, so it is a contradiction
This says that both light and darkness are infinite
This was discussed in the thread about gt, cosmology does not scale due to MWI, all possibities become real, so all possibilities for cosmology also become real, so this is not relevant here
"Also about Bulma statement that they live at the edge of the Universe is kinda being overused and ignoring all the previous statements, also that it seems highly unlikely for eartg or milky way galaxy to be at the edge, it is more reasonable that Bulma is talking about observable Universe"
Why it is "unlikely"? The statement itself never says anything about it taling about only an specific part of the universe
Here is my summary from the earlier thread, it was agreed to have a new thread to be created after both sides made summaries, kind of dishonest that the promise wasn't kept
The counter argument being used for the universe having an edge is that it is the edge of the "observable/light part" of the universe and that after that there is an infinite darkness that is infinite in size, but when we see the universe from an outside perspective we see no greater darkness surrounding a light part of it, which would disqualify this said darkness from even being a thing at all, some brought up how we don't see the other dimensions of the macrocosm, but since they are other dimensions they would be in other planes of existance and wouldn't be seeable from an outside perspective, plus the model used to say that they would be seeable is never used in the dbz manga and dbs anime so the series depiction takes precedence over it anyway,
it says
that it is talking about any observable universe in place of the entire universe, and we have no reason to believe that it is talking about an specific part of it, which is further corroborated by the fact that the whole point of bulma wanting to go to the center of the universe in the first place was to be able to scan the entirety of space to search for the super dragon balls
the statement itself never specified
Dude stop bringing Brazilian scans everytime, they have no value here, bring only translation from japanese
If the argument is about the darkness being the infinite thing, then why are we bringing scans about the supposed "observable universe"?
That is also a valid point i feel
Firestorm didn't agreed
Former.Infinite universe or infinite universes?