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Dragon Ball Heroes/Xenoverse Revision (2-A)

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Not particularly, hax and resistances don't scale that way, 2-B or 2-A they are still only 4D, as are the Creation Trio's hax and resistances.

Stuff like Mind Hax and Soul Hax that does work with potency won't change anything, because as stated their verse is already at least 6 times larger then anything the Creation Trio has to deal with. So clearly, the advantage of potency didn't give them a win then, so why would making the potency being bigger affect anything now?
 
AKM sama said:
AKM's answer is wayback machine is fine and all, but I don't see what the rush is. Many of the staff members who were associated with this in the past, are not active due to the lockdown. Soon the forum move will happen and all the staff members will be busy updating the links and all. And it's still better to have this recorded in our own thread instead of wayback machine. Every other big and controversial revision thread has been put on hold, for example.

Anyway, I agree with the OP.
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This is my view as well.
 
Anyway, the upgrade to 2-A itself seems straightforward enough, but the problem is that, given that this is controversial and a rather major event, we need something concrete to reference/link to as evidence for the revision in the edit summary boxes, and a Wayback Machine backup likely won't cut it.

I suppose that Kepekley23 could copy his post to a blog format though, after which the staff members here could briefly comment in it whether or not they agree with the revision.
 
Everything12 said:
Not particularly, hax and resistances don't scale that way, 2-B or 2-A they are still only 4D, as are the Creation Trio's hax and resistances.
Stuff like Mind Hax and Soul Hax that does work with potency won't change anything, because as stated their verse is already at least 6 times larger then anything the Creation Trio has to deal with. So clearly, the advantage of potency didn't give them a win then, so why would making the potency being bigger affect anything now?
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I remember someone said that it does scale that way. He said sth about resistances doesn't matter unless you're infinitely above or sth. I'll put that here later.
 
Infinitely above is probably referring to Higher Dimensions, but 2-B and 2-A are still both 4D.

As far as I know a 2-A with Baseline Hax doesn't do any better against a Low 2-C Resistance then Low 2-C Haxes does.
 
Resistances stop mattering at higher dimensionality and/or level of existence i.e. Low 1-C in this case not at infinite power gaps like between 2-B and 2-A.
 
Probably means Higher Dimensions and them being Infinitely above lower Dimensions. As every match I have seen 2-A Hax has never been able to pierce Low 2-C Resistance without Resistance Negation or feats of bypassing Resistances.
 
Antvasima said:
I suppose that Kepekley23 could copy his post to a blog format though, after which the staff members here could briefly comment in it whether or not they agree with the revision.
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I agree with this sentiment. It's best if we have the evidence saved in a blog so that there isn't any problems in the future.
 
That's just how Hax and Resistances work, as long as you don't say it can overcome Dimensional difference it isn't NLF, and yes a 10-B can resist a 3-A's Hax, whatever gave you the idea they couldn't?
 
How is that NLF? If he showcases resistances on the level of the 3-A's hax then he resists.
 
Planck69 said:
How is that NLF? If he showcases resistances on the level of the 3-A's hax then he resists.
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I'm talking about a 10-B that has resistances but not on a 3-A level. The CT has never showcased to resist haxes that works on 2-A level.
 
With Resistances the only way Hax bypassess is either Layers, Resistance Negation, or Higher Dimensions. Unless its Mind Hax and Soul Hax, then the Tier of the Hax doesn't matter as long as the Hax and Resistance are on the same Dimension. A 10-B with Death Manipulation Resistance can indead resist a 3-A's Instant Death.
 
What do you mean 3-A level? Like, just hax from a 3-A? Of course he'd resist if he showcases the appropriate resistance. If not then he gets haxxed.
 
Everything12 said:
With Resistances the only way Hax bypassess is either Layers, Resistance Negation, or Higher Dimensions. Unless its Mind Hax and Soul Hax, then the Tier of the Hax doesn't matter as long as the Hax and Resistance are on the same Dimension. A 10-B with Death Manipulation Resistance can indead resist a 3-A's Instant Death.
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They don't resist the ultimate hax of hitting them really hard.
 
Planck69 said:
What do you mean 3-A level? Like, just hax from a 3-A? Of course he'd resist if he showcases the appropriate resistance. If not then he gets haxxed.
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There, if he doesn't have the appropriate resistance, he gets haxxed just like what you said. Same thing applies to the CT here, they don't resist haxes on a 2-A lvl.

Also I'm gonna stop now.
 
In any case, the idea with this partial lockdown was still to mostly stick to it, except for small straightforward revisions, not spam content revision threads as usual.

Things have turned very out of hand in that regard.
 
Zenkaibattery1 said:
SMT, Digimon, Madoka, all got "At least 2-A" for an infinite multiverse that was infinitely expanding. In fact, all multiverses that are "At least 2-A" are that, for that reason. Don't see why that wouldn't be the case here.
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Well:

A- No, Madoka doesn't have any At least 2-As.

B- If that's why they're At least 2-A, they should all be downgraded.

Otherwise, I also agree with 2-A.
 
I don't disagree i just want to ask about something:

History is infinitely branched out

Why did you use this as evidence for 2-A? If something is branched out infinitely it just means it...well....keeps on branching to no end. So it just keeps on growing endlessly. That is just 2-B.
 
Isn't it just confirming that the timelines are infinite? I don't think "branching" out really detracts from it, or implies differently. To say something is branched out infinitely still = infinite.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
I don't disagree i just want to ask about something:

History is infinitely branched out

Why did you use this as evidence for 2-A? If something is branched out infinitely it just means it...well....keeps on branching to no end. So it just keeps on growing endlessly. That is just 2-B.
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Infinitely branched =/= infinitely branching. The first one means that history is already branched infinitely . Basically we have an infinite multiverse in constant expansion since they use the MWI
 
I agree with Heroes being 2-A because of the OP. But why does Xenoverse scale? We consider that Xenoverse is canon to Heroes but not vice versa, so why Xenoverse scales to 2-A via Heroes stuff?
 
Ionliosite said:
I agree with Heroes being 2-A because of the OP. But why does Xenoverse scale? We consider that Xenoverse is canon to Heroes but not vice versa, so why Xenoverse scales to 2-A via Heroes stuff?
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Xenoverse has its own statement. Check the second point of the revision
 
Firephoenixearl said:
History is infinitely branched out

Why did you use this as evidence for 2-A? If something is branched out infinitely it just means it...well....keeps on branching to no end. So it just keeps on growing endlessly. That is just 2-B.
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^^ No, it doesn't.
 
Ionliosite said:
I agree with Heroes being 2-A because of the OP. But why does Xenoverse scale? We consider that Xenoverse is canon to Heroes but not vice versa, so why Xenoverse scales to 2-A via Heroes stuff?
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It's the other way around. Xenoverse actually has a 2-A statement and Heroes scales to this because Xenoverse is canon to it. However Xenoverse does not need Heroes to scale to 2-A on its own.
 
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