Dragon Ball Heroes hit 2-A!

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Archie has all those Chaos Emeralds that were fused together in Great Harmony which only 14 are still above baseline 2-A (Sonic's multiverse + Mega Man's multiverse + Maginaryworld). Obviously scales to the Chaos Force as it is the source of all Chaos energy, with Chaos Emeralds being mere physical manifestations of it.

They don't have a huge scaling chain though, the super states are pretty much equal to one another with Ultra Sonic, Hyper Tails, Chaos Shadow, and the Chaos Force beings being stronger.

 

[DMB_1]

What I don't understand is how you can be above "baseline" 2-A by busting 2 infinite multiverses: they are both infinite, and infinite divided by 2 = infinite.

Being Infinitely above baseline makes more sense since we go into the "degrees of infinity" territory though.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

DMB's right.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I never understood that either.

 

[ChocomilkAlex]

Is Universal - Multiversal AP determined based on how casually X character can destroy a Universe or Multiverse? Is that why Goku is so far above baseline because just by existing, Goku shook the world of void?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@DMB 1 I suppose for the same reason a 2-A character can be stronger than another 2-A even though the latter is already infinite.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Is Universal - Multiversal AP determined based on how casually X character can destroy a Universe or Multiverse? Is that why Goku is so far above baseline because just by existing, Goku shook the world of void?

No, it's based on how many universes they can destroy. Goku is above baseline Low 2-C because of a scaling chain.

 

[DMB_1]

@DMB 1 I suppose for the same reason a 2-A character can be stronger than another 2-A even though the latter is already infinite.

That makes more sense because of an in-verse scaling chain that determines a character's superiority over another one.

But if AP is based on simple numbers, Busting a thousand 2-A multiverses shouldn't be more impressive than busting just one, unless there are further things that imply that.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I don't know about you but destroying a thousand 2-A multiverses definitely sounds more impressive than destroying a single one to me.

 

[DMB_1]

To me, it doesn't because infinite divided by a thousand is still infinite.

At best you could argue that the unquantifiable distance between those multiverses would make the feat more impressive.

 

[Kepekley23]

2-A DBH would be a thing were Budokai Tenkaichi 3 canon to it.

Too bad it isn't, lmao.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Why would Budokai Tenkaichi 3 boost DBH to 2-A?

 

[DMB_1]

Also, AFAIK, the DBH slot machine games used either a similar or the same engine as Tenkaichi 3, which adds some irony to the whole thing.

 

[Kepekley23]

^ The narrator states in the What-If Saga that there are infinite possible worlds to explore

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Archie has all those Chaos Emeralds that were fused together in Great Harmony which only 14 are still above baseline 2-A (Sonic's multiverse + Mega Man's multiverse + Maginaryworld). Obviously scales to the Chaos Force as it is the source of all Chaos energy, with Chaos Emeralds being mere physical manifestations of it.

So 14 Chaos Emeralds = 3 times baseline 2-A. How many Chaos Emeralds are there? And which characters scale to the power of every Chaos Emerald besides Chaos Force?

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

^ The narrator states in the What-If Saga that there are infinite possible worlds to explore

Interesting, that's the first time I've heard of this and I 100%'d this game but cool

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@DragonEmperor23 Maginaryworld by itself is actually countless x baseline 2-A due to every dream from every being in those infinite universes becoming a universe.

There were an inumerable Chaos Emeralds, enough where one color could cover the surface of an entire planet and they were all fused into a set of 7. All super forms scale to this.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

@DragonEmperor23 There were an inumerable Chaos Emeralds, enough where one color could cover the surface of an entire planet and they were all fused into a set of 7. All super forms scale to this.

What do you mean when you say color? Like, enough green emeralds to cover up a planet?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Yeah the green emeralds covered the entire surface of Mobius.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Couldn't you calc that if you knew how big Mobius and an individual emerald was?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Already had someone do it. 6.2435741E+15, then multiply by 7 and divide that number by 14.

BTW that's a lowball.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Is the multiplying and dividing part of the calc?

Also, do you know how far into 2-A Lavos is?

 

[MYHERO]

let's save that for another thread

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Nope. That was just the number of Emeralds.

i know Time Devourer has a decent scaling chain, maybe dozens of times baseline?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

let's save that for another thread

Right, sorry for derailing.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Strong is subjective and usually is used when in comparison with something else. Besides Sonic and Lavos, I think there was this verse with a lot of baseline 2-As but I don't remember the name. DBH would be much stronger than them.

 

[MYHERO]

@Dragon Don't worry about it, happens to the best of us.

 

[MYHERO]

Actually I was expecting this thread to discuss about specifically how Dragon Ball Heroes would do in the AP category. Since I now know the massive scaling chain and obviously it means yeah they are going to be also massively above baseline then I guess that wraps up what I want to know. So you guys can discuss ahead on whatever you want now. Whether it be Dragon Ball or the AP of other 2-A series.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Now make a thread on how fast DBH characters would be if they had Infinite Speed and title the thread "Infinite Speed Dragon Ball Heroes!"

 

[MYHERO]

Naw let's boost that up to immeasurable Speed. They deserve that at least.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Stop downplaying, Inaccessible Speed is the only thing worthy of them.

 

[MYHERO]

Good bye Sonic.

 

[Genericstickman]

I mean DBH still has the potential of eventually being stronger then the Archie Sonicverse since it's still going

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@MYHERO Massively above baseline? Not really. The strongest ones would be unquantifiably above baseline, DB fans on here just like to exaggerate the gaps in the scaling chains.

 

[MYHERO]

@Generic The same goes for Sonic IDW since it's being written by the same dude that made Archie Sonic OP.

 

[MYHERO]

@Shadow The Gogeta vs Lucario thread went to shit already, so please let's not.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Dragon Ball threads usually go to shit so that's nothing new.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Massively above baseline? Not really. The strongest ones would be unquantifiably above baseline

Isn't the difference between these two just semantics? It's not like massively is a number.

 

[MYHERO]

Yeah when it's about CRTs or Vs matches. We don't need that happening on a Fun and games board of all things.

 

[BlastX]

So do Sonic threads.