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Dragon Ball Heroes: Cosmological Review

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Pardon my mini rant but...

I'm just going to say regardless if you agree or disagree with tier 1 DBH/Xeno the fact CRTs can be delayed for weeks to months on end due to waiting for input from a single staff member (who under questionable circumstances is burdened with the "responsibility" of acting as the "linchpin" for a CRT to be passed or denied which potentially can undermine or invalidate the pre-existing input from other staff members and regular users) is a fundamentally obtuse system and truthfully is just as bad as FRA trains.

This isn't supposed to be another staff/mods bad wah!!! comment but people seem to forget mods/staff are humans too, they aren't perfect, they're fallible and most importantly they have lives outside Vs debating.

Shouldn't the workload be divided equally among the staff/mods instead of constantly dumping the most "complex" subjects on one or two people? Bonus points if the staff member isn't knowledgeable about the verse in question, double points if the staff member as well as the verse supporters have beef with each other and triple point perfect score if the verse is highly controversial and/or popular.

That's my two cents on the situation, I won't comment any further on this CRT since I've got zero stakes in this. Pardon again if I caused any derailment.
 
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The_Axiom_of_Virgo said:
Pardon my mini rant but...

I'm just going to say regardless if you agree or disagree with tier 1 DBH/Xeno the fact CRTs can be delayed for weeks to months on end due to waiting for input from a single staff member (who under questionable circumstances is burdened with the "responsibility" of acting as the "linchpin" for a CRT to be passed or denied which potentially can undermine or invalidate the pre-existing input from other staff members and regular users) is a fundamentally obtuse system and truthfully is just as bad as FRA trains.

This isn't supposed to be another staff/mods bad wah!!! comment but people seem to forget mods/staff are humans too, they aren't perfect, they're fallible and most importantly they have lives outside Vs debating.

Shouldn't the workload be divided equally among the staff/mods instead of constantly dumping the most "complex" subjects on one or two people? Bonus points if the staff member isn't knowledgeable about the verse in question, double points if the staff member as well as the verse supporters have beef with each other and triple point perfect score if the verse is highly controversial and/or popular.

That's my two cents on the situation, I won't comment any further on this CRT since I've got stakes in this. Pardon again if I caused any derailment.
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The_Axiom_of_Virgo said:
Pardon my mini rant but...

I'm just going to say regardless if you agree or disagree with tier 1 DBH/Xeno the fact CRTs can be delayed for weeks to months on end due to waiting for input from a single staff member (who under questionable circumstances is burdened with the "responsibility" of acting as the "linchpin" for a CRT to be passed or denied which potentially can undermine or invalidate the pre-existing input from other staff members and regular users) is a fundamentally obtuse system and truthfully is just as bad as FRA trains.

This isn't supposed to be another staff/mods bad wah!!! comment but people seem to forget mods/staff are humans too, they aren't perfect, they're fallible and most importantly they have lives outside Vs debating.

Shouldn't the workload be divided equally among the staff/mods instead of constantly dumping the most "complex" subjects on one or two people? Bonus points if the staff member isn't knowledgeable about the verse in question, double points if the staff member as well as the verse supporters have beef with each other and triple point perfect score if the verse is highly controversial and/or popular.

That's my two cents on the situation, I won't comment any further on this CRT since I've got stakes in this. Pardon again if I caused any derailment.
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Your opinion is fine but no staff really gave a hard stance beside one who’s reasoning contradicted the FAQ which is why Ultima’s input is being asked for
 
There’s nothing on the COT being a higher infinity than the 4th dimension, it shows no superiority to it. The “beyond spacetime” bit has been used countless times to just refer to things that are not necessarily in the timestream or it’s hyperbole for time travel (the Japanese use this term a lot to describe time travel).

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/664653902742028300/1088708680129720380/image0-28.jpg

At what point do the characters actually transcend time in an actual manner in the story? Nowhere.

Another one here

Trunks and Mai’s feelings transcends time? The only way that would make sense would be if they were referring to Trunks time traveling to save Mai. Otherwise the other option is it’s hyperbole.

The final example will be this

They say their wisdom transcends time yet there’s no display of this, the only way this makes sense is if you applied context and realize they mean that they used time travel to gain knowledge.

If I recall correctly this has been discussed many times before and is not a sound argument, it’s a repeat of the same failure to get concrete proof that the COT is a higher infinity to 4th dimensional things.

The COT is like a separate building with the same objects as the primary house which is SpaceTime. SpaceTime has timelines, and The COT also has timelines but they’re simply shown to be different in its realm there’s no proof or indication of a superior existence.

I wouldn’t even wait for Ultima, there’s no justification for this it’s the same flawed narrative all over again.
 
ThatBusyDude said:
There’s nothing on the COT being a higher infinity than the 4th dimension, it shows no superiority to it. The “beyond spacetime” bit has been used countless times to just refer to things that are not necessarily in the timestream or it’s hyperbole for time travel (the Japanese use this term a lot to describe time travel).

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/664653902742028300/1088708680129720380/image0-28.jpg

At what point do the characters actually transcend time in an actual manner in the story? Nowhere.

Another one here

Trunks and Mai’s feelings transcends time? The only way that would make sense would be if they were referring to Trunks time traveling to save Mai. Otherwise the other option is it’s hyperbole.

The final example will be this

They say their wisdom transcends time yet there’s no display of this, the only way this makes sense is if you applied context and realize they mean that they used time travel to gain knowledge.

If I recall correctly this has been discussed many times before and is not a sound argument, it’s a repeat of the same failure to get concrete proof that the COT is a higher infinity to 4th dimensional things.

The COT is like a separate building with the same objects as the primary house which is SpaceTime. SpaceTime has timelines, and The COT also has timelines but they’re simply shown to be different in its realm there’s no proof or indication of a superior existence.

I wouldn’t even wait for Ultima, there’s no justification for this it’s the same flawed narrative all over again.
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We do have to wait for Ultima still but you disregarded all the context and used examples that relate to time travel which is not the case here never seen someone downplay this badly there’s evidence that being beyond space and time is quantitative superiority that’s been shown with 4D things looking like dots but wow I’m impressed
 
ThatBusyDude said:
There’s nothing on the COT being a higher infinity than the 4th dimension, it shows no superiority to it. The “beyond spacetime” bit has been used countless times to just refer to things that are not necessarily in the timestream or it’s hyperbole for time travel (the Japanese use this term a lot to describe time travel).

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/664653902742028300/1088708680129720380/image0-28.jpg

At what point do the characters actually transcend time in an actual manner in the story? Nowhere.

Another one here

Trunks and Mai’s feelings transcends time? The only way that would make sense would be if they were referring to Trunks time traveling to save Mai. Otherwise the other option is it’s hyperbole.

The final example will be this

They say their wisdom transcends time yet there’s no display of this, the only way this makes sense is if you applied context and realize they mean that they used time travel to gain knowledge.

If I recall correctly this has been discussed many times before and is not a sound argument, it’s a repeat of the same failure to get concrete proof that the COT is a higher infinity to 4th dimensional things.

The COT is like a separate building with the same objects as the primary house which is SpaceTime. SpaceTime has timelines, and The COT also has timelines but they’re simply shown to be different in its realm there’s no proof or indication of a superior existence.

I wouldn’t even wait for Ultima, there’s no justification for this it’s the same flawed narrative all over again.
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I think what you are trying to do is use hyperboles from different verse to scale here. Here is the thing yes those statements bout mia and trunks trascendend time means nothing because its a hyperbole and was more referring to there love but why would that determine that the rest of statements from other timelines like xenoverse and heroes have statements bout beyond space and time. Its quite being fallicous tbh

Astral Zamusu fused with the universe 7 when he became astral he start fusing with the void. And acording to this wiki what separate timelines is 5D and also the crack of time is somewhat seperate from the entire multiverse
 
godofice said:
We do have to wait for Ultima still but you disregarded all the context and used examples that relate to time travel which is not the case here never seen someone downplay this badly there’s evidence that being beyond space and time is quantitative superiority that’s been shown with 4D things looking like dots but wow I’m impressed
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It is the case though, I’ve shown that “transcending time” refers to time travel in Dragon Ball.


Crack Of Time is not literally “Beyond Time” it’s an enclosed space separated from Time






“Transcending Time” and/or “Beyond Time” in Dragon Ball does not refer to level of existence it simply refers to the ability to manipulate or resist time in any way for example: time traveling

Goku Black is stated to “Transcend Time” using a Time Ring



But all that refers to is traveling through paths in SpaceTime



Towa says the Dark Dragon Balls have flown “Beyond Space and Time” and that she will retrieve them by going through a Rift in SpaceTime


But previously this rift they use was stated to be within SpaceTime


And it’s revealed that the Dark Dragon Balls are within SpaceTime so they never literally went beyond SpaceTime so it’s all just flowery language





To add to my case that these are in fact the Dark Dragon Balls and that they are within SpaceTime

They’re Revealed to be the Dark Dragon Balls and even confirmed to be in different timelines/histories




“Beyond SpaceTime” is just hyperbole for what’s in SpaceTime or just outside of it.
 
CraigTucker said:
I think what you are trying to do is use hyperboles from different verse to scale here. Here is the thing yes those statements bout mia and trunks trascendend time means nothing because its a hyperbole and was more referring to there love but why would that determine that the rest of statements from other timelines like xenoverse and heroes have statements bout beyond space and time. Its quite being fallicous tbh

Astral Zamusu fused with the universe 7 when he became astral he start fusing with the void. And acording to this wiki what separate timelines is 5D and also the crack of time is somewhat seperate from the entire multiverse
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That’s not from a different verse, it’s the same franchise. It really doesn’t matter though it’s just one of many examples of the Japanese using “transcend” and “beyond” other than just meaning superiority.

If that is the case why isn’t Dragon Ball characters Low 1-C? It should be easy to express that to the moderators if that’s the case, go ahead and make a content revision thread on it.
 
ThatBusyDude said:
That’s not from a different verse, it’s the same franchise. It really doesn’t matter though it’s just one of many examples of the Japanese using “transcend” and “beyond” other than just meaning superiority.

If that is the case why isn’t Dragon Ball characters Low 1-C? It should be easy to express that to the moderators if that’s the case, go ahead and make a content revision thread on it.
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No thats not what i mean by verses its more of how different these universes are, Dragon ball super has shown multiple statements of trancending time and ect but the context doesn't mean what the text. What you are doing is using a hyperbole statement to fit the narritive that since x in dragon ball super has a hyperbole it would dismissed the rest of statements and it will be consider a hyperbole. Its quite frankly comitting appeal to tradition.


this seems quite frankly irrelevent but to answer the question its more of how the moderators act with their belief
 
CraigTucker said:
No thats not what i mean by verses its more of how different these universes are, Dragon ball super has shown multiple statements of trancending time and ect but the context doesn't mean what the text. What you are doing is using a hyperbole statement to fit the narritive that since x in dragon ball super has a hyperbole it would dismissed the rest of statements and it will be consider a hyperbole.

this seems quite frankly irrelevent but to answer the question its more of how the moderators act with their belief
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The universes are not that different considering they use the time rings and the 12 universes thing implying they are practically the same cosmology.

You’re the one that mentioned it, but my opinion on it is there’s no concept of higher dimensions between timelines and alternate dimensions shown in dragon ball so even if you created a revision thread it likely wouldn’t fly.
 
ThatBusyDude said:
The universes are not that different considering they use the time rings and the 12 universes thing implying they are practically the same cosmology.

You’re the one that mentioned it, but my opinion on it is there’s no concept of higher dimensions between timelines and alternate dimensions shown in dragon ball so even if you created a revision thread it likely wouldn’t fly.
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Dragon ball Super and Heroes/ Xenoverse are completely different one talks more of the multiverse itself and history will the other one is different. thats the thing we can't go by statements from dragon ball super about trancending time and how its a hyperbole to assume that it applies to Dragon ball heroes/ Xenoverse who have beings who wants to destroy all timelines and go beyond it. I said this already your just committing appeal to tradition.


oh no you misunderstood what I said about my second point, I am saying that this wiki considers seperete timelines are 5D and the argument was already use so no. Good for you
 
CraigTucker said:
Dragon ball Super and Heroes/ Xenoverse are completely different one talks more of the multiverse itself and history will the other one is different. thats the thing we can't go by statements from dragon ball super about trancending time and how its a hyperbole to assume that it applies to Dragon ball heroes/ Xenoverse who have beings who wants to destroy all timelines and go beyond it. I said this already your just committing appeal to tradition.


oh no you misunderstood what I said about my second point, I am saying that this wiki considers seperete timelines are 5D and the argument was already use so no. Good for you
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Their functions are practically the same, the only real difference is Heroes/Xenoverse talks more about the multiverse than Super rarely elaborates on.

Then why aren’t other characters 5D if they destroy separate timelines? Your claim just isn’t adding up.
 
ThatBusyDude said:
Their functions are practically the same, the only real difference is Heroes/Xenoverse talks more about the multiverse than Super rarely elaborates on.

Then why aren’t other characters 5D if they destroy separate timelines? Your claim just isn’t adding up.
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Thank you for putting it better words for me. Thats what I mean by it being different one talks about the muliverse while other doesn't

in fiction they need to prove there is this thing separating timeline, if there is yes they are 5D if they affect it, but not the 2 timelines which are just in
 
CraigTucker said:
Thank you for putting it better words for me. Thats what I mean by it being different one talks about the muliverse while other doesn't

in fiction they need to prove there is this thing separating timeline, if there is yes they are 5D if they affect it, but not the 2 timelines which are just in
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That’s not a big enough difference also the series are made and owned by the same company.

I don’t see how that would be 5D, there’s no additional spatial dimension nor additional temporal dimension involved with that.
 
ThatBusyDude said:
That’s not a big enough difference also the series are made and owned by the same company.

I don’t see how that would be 5D, there’s no additional spatial dimension nor additional temporal dimension involved with that.
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It looks like you don't understand one doesnt go dept on theories of the multiverse while the other do, it shows that DBH and Xenoverses goes dept towards Space and time and different universes while dragon ball super doesnt. This wouldn't neccessary be a hyperbole because DBH and Xenoverse have a understanding bout space and time


Don't have to be that there is other ways to be 5D
 
CraigTucker said:
It looks like you don't understand one doesnt go dept on theories of the multiverse while the other do, it shows that DBH and Xenoverses goes dept towards Space and time and different universes while dragon ball super doesnt. This wouldn't neccessary be a hyperbole because DBH and Xenoverse have a understanding bout space and time


Don't have to be that there is other ways to be 5D
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But that’s not an actual cosmology difference, if the only real difference is one elaborates more on the cosmology then it’s kind of moot. Dragon Ball Super also has an understanding about space and time.

And Dragon Ball satisfies none of those requirements, something that some people in this thread tried to tell you guys.
 
ThatBusyDude said:
But that’s not an actual cosmology difference, if the only real difference is one elaborates more on the cosmology then it’s kind of moot. Dragon Ball Super also has an understanding about space and time.

And Dragon Ball satisfies none of those requirements, something that some people in this thread tried to tell you guys.
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No where was I referring to cosmology here its more of how the worlds have a different understanding towards the multiverse and space time or having a greater understanding. This is quite frankly strawmen my words. It wouldn't really, it will shows that trancending wouldnt had been a hyperbole towards DBH and xenoverse. honestly just drop it.

Your opinion
 
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ThatBusyDude said:
It is the case though, I’ve shown that “transcending time” refers to time travel in Dragon Ball.


Crack Of Time is not literally “Beyond Time” it’s an enclosed space separated from Time






“Transcending Time” and/or “Beyond Time” in Dragon Ball does not refer to level of existence it simply refers to the ability to manipulate or resist time in any way for example: time traveling

Goku Black is stated to “Transcend Time” using a Time Ring



But all that refers to is traveling through paths in SpaceTime



Towa says the Dark Dragon Balls have flown “Beyond Space and Time” and that she will retrieve them by going through a Rift in SpaceTime


But previously this rift they use was stated to be within SpaceTime


And it’s revealed that the Dark Dragon Balls are within SpaceTime so they never literally went beyond SpaceTime so it’s all just flowery language





To add to my case that these are in fact the Dark Dragon Balls and that they are within SpaceTime

They’re Revealed to be the Dark Dragon Balls and even confirmed to be in different timelines/histories




“Beyond SpaceTime” is just hyperbole for what’s in SpaceTime or just outside of it.
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To all the people who wants to know where he got this, its from this https://aminoapps.com/c/join-the-ba...unk-part-2/Xekl_0ZhguRbDrZ76on6JpYoPLMJpjXWgo
 
CraigTucker said:
No where was I referring to cosmology here its more of how the worlds have a different understanding towards the multiverse and space time or having a greater understanding. This is quite frankly strawmen my words. It wouldn't really, it will shows that trancending wouldnt had been a hyperbole towards DBH and xenoverse. honestly just drop it.

Your opinion
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Different understanding towards the multiverse and spacetime? In what way? It uses time rings and other things from dragon ball super including time machines and the 12 universe system. Transcending is a hyperbole or it just doesn’t mean what you say it does as an example when the dark dragon balls flew “beyond spacetime” it actually went to a different history which is a location within spacetime. There’s no reason I should drop it, you mean to halt the dialect because you’re having a hard time rebuking the arguments presented.

It is my opinion and it isn’t far from the truth either.
 
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