Dragon Ball Heroes: Cosmological Review

[StrymULTRA]

Fuu said this but the context and narritive disapprove this, I don't see why would x character say something with the context dismissed it.

So Fuu is right only when you want to? Lmao.

That's completely assuming things and no fuu verbatemly said the tree was already complete, your going against your hole source and I already explain how the tree isn't really the size of a galaxy no refute here.

The tree isn't even universe sized with this logic. But regardless that can be just an animation inconsistency.

they are saying it has the power to create a new universe which in itself is already several galaxies and on multiple occasions was called infinite.

This ain't accepted yet. And again, you can contain an universe/multiverse without being that size outside.

You’re using an arbitrary format of words to try to say it’s only the size of a galaxy when the living world on its own was confirmed to be separated in 4, which innumerable galaxies and nebulae that exist in an endlessly expansive universe. Even if I agreed to saying it was an endlessly expanding 3-D space, it’s still bigger than a galaxy such as the milky way. Honestly i find you dishonest here

It's still not the size of the universe kek.

Even assuming that Galaxy is 3-B (I see that is already accepted though) it doesn't really change my argument.

 

[CraigTucker]

So Fuu is right only when you want to? Lmao.

The tree isn't even universe sized with this logic. But regardless that can be just an animation inconsistency.

This ain't accepted yet. And again, you can contain an universe/multiverse without being that size outside.

It's still not the size of the universe kek.

Even assuming that Galaxy is 3-B (I see that is already accepted though) it doesn't really change my argument.

I don’t see nothing here rebuttal as if we look at the context it can determine that the character is either untrue or it’s completely different. It’s quite sad that you have to resort with strawmen

Ok and it’s not even galaxy sized based of your logic here buddy and I already said this multiple times there shouldn’t be no scaling for tree as it should be inconsistent or unknown

I’ll simply make a thread why the tree shouldn’t be a tier

 

[StrymULTRA]

I don’t see nothing here rebuttal as if we look at the context it can determine that the character is either untrue or it’s completely different. It’s quite sad that you have to resort with strawmen

Ok and it’s not even galaxy sized based of your logic here buddy and I already said this multiple times there shouldn’t be no scaling for tree as it should be inconsistent or unknown

I’ll simply make a thread why the tree shouldn’t be a tier

If you go by Fuu's words then the tree is galaxy sized, you shouldn't use the anime to disprove it, as is said in manga and arcade that it is.

Since when a single media invalidates the others?

 

[CraigTucker]

If you go by Fuu's words then the tree is galaxy sized, you shouldn't use the anime to disprove it, as is said in manga and arcade that it is.

Since when a single media invalidates the others?

Alright let me get this straight if a character stated you transcended space and time but the context is completely different, why should we listen to that said character and I already address the manga and arcade as you was just assuming and the size shouldn’t really matter even if it’s racoon sized for that matter, the feat performed is well above galaxy (
I don't see how the roots use portals to go through the universes as this wouldn't mean that the tree affected the universe in any way shape of form.
fu said its roots would extand towards the end of the universe nothing it shown its affecting the universes/ break through those universe. The anime just shows how kii is just being affected not the universes)

also it’s quite frankly hypocritical to say I can’t use the anime while u use it before

 

[StrymULTRA]

Alright let me get this straight if a character stated you transcended space and time but the context is completely different

????????? Transcending space time is an incredibly vague term and it heavily depends on context, it doesn't mean just what you want to.

also it’s quite frankly hypocritical to say I can’t use the anime while u use it before

The anime only secondary source, the primary source is the arcade. The extra things the anime/manga add can be used as long as they don't contradict the arcade, and here the anime is contradicted from the other two things.

 

[CraigTucker]

????????? Transcending space time is an incredibly vague term and it heavily depends on context, it doesn't mean just what you want to.

it was more giving enology but I’ll simply explain the context.
Fu said the tree sucks up the universe
Yet when we look at the context it’s heavily untrue and was more showing how the tree only did was absorb the ki from people and the energy of the universe. Fuu said the tree is a galaxy sized but the context shown it isn’t and we seen how it never grown when vegeta throw a ki ball which was bigger than it.

 

[StrymULTRA]

it was more giving enology but I’ll simply explain the context.
Fu said the tree sucks up the universe
Yet when we look at the context it’s heavily untrue and was more showing how the tree only did was absorb the ki from people and the energy of the universe. Fuu said the tree is a galaxy sized but the context shown it isn’t and we seen how it never grown when vegeta throw a ki ball which was bigger than it.

From absorbing the universe was just a way to say it absorbs the energy of it. I fail to see how it negates its size.

 

[CraigTucker]

From absorbing the universe was just a way to say it absorbs the energy of it. I fail to see how it negates its size.

I explain this already (
The stuff that is acquired to make the tree grow is not based on the size, it's solely vitality we literally see vegeta make a blast just as big as the universe tree yet when it absorbs the energy it does not grow further

Even here we see the universe tree is not as big as a galaxy which utterly decimates the idea that the energy inputted = size output as well)

 

[CraigTucker]

I’m currently at school doing a practice exam for my final exam for me to go college so if there’s any new arguments I’ll address it

 

[StrymULTRA]

I explain this already (
The stuff that is acquired to make the tree grow is not based on the size, it's solely vitality we literally see vegeta make a blast just as big as the universe tree yet when it absorbs the energy it does not grow further

Even here we see the universe tree is not as big as a galaxy which utterly decimates the idea that the energy inputted = size output as well)

Using anime which is contradicted.

Lmao

 

[CraigTucker]

Lmao

As I said it’s best to leave the tree unknown because of how inconsistent it is lmao

 

[StrymULTRA]

As I said it’s best to leave the tree unknown because of how inconsistent it is lmao

Is consistently galaxy sized from manga and arcade. That's enough.

 

[CraigTucker]

Is consistently galaxy sized from manga and arcade. That's enough.

Bruh, the manga showed only how the fact that the energy and life force being absorb and the size doesn’t matter as the feat is greater but then again in the manga and arcade the tree wasn’t even galaxy sized. Still disagree here

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Is consistently galaxy sized from manga and arcade. That's enough.

This. And since we're talking about the anime, it's the very same source which shows its roots spreading throughout the universes.

But as Strym said, using the anime to disprove the arcade is a no go.

 

[CraigTucker]

This. And since we're talking about the anime, it's the very same source which shows its roots spreading throughout the universes.

But as Strym said, using the anime to disprove the arcade is a no go.

These are 3 source what is the problem of using the anime when they show us the same thing that happen in the manga and arcade

 

[StrymULTRA]

These are 3 source what is the problem of using the anime when they show us the same thing that happen in the manga and arcade

The arcade is only promotional material of the arcade, thus it shouldn't take priority.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Because the arcade is the main source, and the galactic size is consistent there.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

The arcade is only promotional material of the arcade, thus it shouldn't take priority.

This.

 

[CraigTucker]

Because the arcade is the main source, and the galactic size is consistent there.

Do you have any links towards the arcade I would like to make a point regarding that

 

[CraigTucker]

I am not aware of the game but only have knowledge towards the anime and manga so yea

 

[StrymULTRA]

Do you have any links towards the arcade I would like to make a point regarding that

 

[denisnic55]

Could you please explain why size matters so much when there are characters that hold entire multiverses on top of their fingers? Size at best should be just something to back up things already relevant. To be honest, size shouldn't matter at all regardless.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Because the tree being galaxy sized disproves those seeds being universe sized on the outside.

 

[CraigTucker]

All this shown that the complete tree is above galaxy level and the fuu statement was referring to the tree without including the roots

 

[CraigTucker]

Still disagree here

 

[StrymULTRA]

All this shown that the complete tree is above galaxy level and the fuu statement was referring to the tree without including the roots

It says "into the size of a galaxy" lmfaoooooo.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Can someone clarify if the time crystal shards are entire universes/timelines?

In order to enter them, there is some form of shrinking from the Crack of Time to the Time Shard?

This whole Imgur shows that crystals are timelines and even when histories are mentioned to being affected it shows crystals also it shows Kid Buu and Goku fighting inside one of the imgurs it shows Goku and Buu fighting and then it zooms out and shows us it’s happening inside the crystal similar to when one of the scenes zoomed into the Universe that was in Fu’s hand showing cc goku tired the only counter argument is that it’s small inside the CoT which I explained in my earlier post why that isn’t a refute

Alright, I'm in break time, so here's the thing.


Strawman af, I never said that is not an universe, just that it works like Alien X who is not universe sized on the outside but only inside. A bit like Mechikabura in his TPU as well.

Another false equivalence. It's a feat for the Writer in this case.

This ain't Gurren Lagann chief. You need explicit statements about this, not "maybe is like this".


Fuu literally says it.

This thing you said just damages your point. Fuu said that the tree will eventually reach galaxy size, meaning that it is not of that size yet. Aka your argument is literally saying that the tree is still much smaller than a galaxy.

Never strawmanned you you claimed it was the universe tree and I disproved that using the op that what Fu held was the copy universe

Not a false equivalence it’s a perspective thing and that was just an example of it in other fictional verses

 

[CraigTucker]

It says "into the size of a galaxy" lmfaoooooo.

I don’t see how it does

 

[StrymULTRA]

Never strawmanned you you claimed it was the universe tree and I disproved that using the op that what Fu held was the copy universe

Not a false equivalence it’s a perspective thing and that was just an example of it in other fictional verses

So you're telling me that Mechikabura is Multiverse sized on the outside too? Obviously not.

I don’t see how it does

You're just ignoring Fuu's words to fit your narrative then.

 

[denisnic55]

Because the tree being galaxy sized disproves those seeds being universe sized on the outside.

I might be super wrong about this but for the sake of the argument please imagine this.
If you were able to hold a universe( a sphere) in your palm and I would disagree with you holding it because the universe in your palm is much smaller than you, a normal human, would it be true? In my opinion it doesn't because it's about your ability to hold it. Your LS is enough to hold the universe in your hand.
Now lets go back to the US and UT. Because the UT >>>>> US, does it matter if its smaller or bigger?

 

[CraigTucker]

So you're telling me that Mechikabura is Multiverse sized on the outside too? Obviously not.

You're just ignoring Fuu's words to fit your narrative then.

I don’t see how how I’m ignoring it, also why the size is relevant here

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

So you're telling me that Mechikabura is Multiverse sized on the outside too? Obviously not.

You're just ignoring Fuu's words to fit your narrative then.

He’s a 4D HDE being but only due to absorbing the infinite timelines inside his body which isn’t noticeable on the outside

 

[StrymULTRA]

I might be super wrong about this but for the sake of the argument please imagine this.
If you were able to hold a universe( a sphere) in your palm and I would disagree with you holding it because the universe in your palm is much smaller than you, a normal human, would it be true? In my opinion it doesn't because it's about your ability to hold it. Your LS is enough to hold the universe in your hand.
Now lets go back to the US and UT. Because the UT >>>>> US, does it matter if its smaller or bigger?

You're using weird mental gymnastics rn. The UT is at best the size of a galaxy, and the seeds contain universes, no? Meaning that those seeds are smaller than a galaxy.

But that's what on the outside, because in the inside they're actually universes. This is the same as Mechikabura, who on the outside is just human sized but is Multiversal sized on the inside. This is the same situation.

He’s a 4D HDE being but only due to absorbing the infinite timelines inside his body which isn’t noticeable on the outside

Or maybe that's because he's not Multiversal sized obviously, but is only like this in the inside.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

You're using weird mental gymnastics rn. The UT is at best the size of a galaxy, and the seeds contain universes, no? Meaning that those seeds are smaller than a galaxy.

But that's what on the outside, because in the inside they're actually universes. This is the same as Mechikabura, who on the outside is just human sized but is Multiversal sized on the inside. This is the same situation.

Or maybe that's because he's not Multiversal sized obviously, but is only like this in the inside.

i mean Ig since it’s a blackhole

 

[StrymULTRA]

i mean Ig since it’s a blackhole

A Black Hole which from the inside works like a pocket realm containing timelines* but yes.

 

[CraigTucker]

Any new arguments for the universal tree just finish my Practice for cxc

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

A Black Hole which from the inside works like a pocket realm containing timelines* but yes.

Okay can you explain why this is relevant to the CoT

 

[StrymULTRA]

Okay can you explain why this is relevant to the CoT

Because it debunks the seeds being universe sized on the outside.

 

[Crabwhale]

The joke isn't that terrible but you should not repeat it. This ain't Discord, bros. Fling shit at each-other as much as you want offsite, but onsite, try to keep a somewhat respectful streak. Consider this a light warning.

So you're not offended
He's clearly just doing a joke (If it's good or bad whatever)
It could easily be ignored, continuing the debate
But you put him under threat of ban?

Like, maybe it's against the ridiculous site rules, but come on, don't be a sissy

If someone is breaking a rule, any user who's observing it has something of a small duty to report it. No one is going to get talked down to if they ignore that duty (barring serious offenses), but it still exists. It ain't a "sissy" thing to do, mate. That kind of talk is how we build up to complicity out of desire to not be shamed.

Even in a light case like this, just calling the mods to settle the issue ain't that big of a deal. Now, if you'll excuse me, my job here is done.

 

[CraigTucker]

I’ll repeat myself again is there any new argument that utterly dismiss the universe tree being below 2-A