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[StrymULTRA]

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Those are the scans that prove that erased histories can be recorded on the timescrolls, and that aerated times rolls and intern erased histories can be remembered by the time patrol.

Now my argument why high godly should be changed to history level rather than removed.
Zamsu’s regen comes from reconstitution from being erasedby Zeno (high godly or otherwise) which has not changed, and regening from Zeno’s erasure should be high godly as Zeno’s erasure affected the timeline in it’s entirety otherwise the EE feat would not have been 2-C in the first place. The timeline Zeno erased was zamasu’s native timeline so every bit of his history should have been nuked aswell, since the timeline was destroyed, as accepted on this wiki and evidenced by the fact the time ring corresponding to the future trunks timeline disappeared.

I have 0 idea about this, iirc history erasure has to explicitly said or something, but I'm unsure lol.

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

@Theglassman12 Well, if Chaos Manip can't be accepted then I guess telekinesis would make the most sense imo

Low godly regen: Soooo where's the part that explains them regenerating? Because Mechi absorbing them doesn't really imply their entire physical form got erased, nor does the aftermath of them being fine really explain how they're back beyond the fact that they're back. Hell one of the scans Towa's body is still intact even when she's dead. So where exactly is the regen? Because if this is all there is then low godly should be nuked.

Demigra's body was seemingly destroyed and Chronoa still believed Demigra could return so there's that atleast. Plus Towa actually going to Hell and resurrecting from there.

Power Nullification: Scan literally just mentions purification, not power nulling dark ki. The rest just mentions nullifying stat amping or stat reducing techniques from her foes so this should be a limited Power Null as it's with specific techniques.

Fair enough

High Godly regeneration and Abstract Existence: Thanks to the recent revisions these needs to be changed to suit the DBS canon since it's stemmed from the same arguments, plus the fact he's not a concept, but his own thoughts manifested just makes his regen mid godly at best.

Mid-Godly is fine but I'd still argue that it's history level High-Godly. He did regenerate from the erasure of his timeline as the wiki accepts Zeno's feat as 2-C, and if the whole "they remember him" stuff is really a problem, the main cast do have feats of remembering erased histories and events like the histories erased by Aios so that would solve the issue (Plus the stuff segetero brought about the Time Ring being destroyed)

Resistance to Soul Manipulation: The only argument for the resistance is for tanking shroom's attacks, and looking at the scan shows the exact opposite, they got their souls reaped a bit and they were affected. So this should be removed.

Now this actually predates my time here, but I think resistance was argued because they didn't get instantly oneshot/reaped like Janemba was. Can't say for certain tho since I was not around when it was added.

Macro-Quantum Manipulation: Why are we assuming manipulating particles automatically means macro quantum particles when particles can also mean specks or grains? At best this is just normal Matter manipulation, not Macro-Quantum unless Quarks are being manipulated by her powers.

Don't recall mentions of Quarks so I suppose this is fine

Advanced Dark Ki: What part of this implies advanced level dark ki? The description only gives basic level dark ki at best.

I'm fine with him being rated as a basic user tbh

Resistance to Heat, Ice, Fire, Air, Earth, and Electricity attacks: Why is them tanking elemental attacks from the Dragons from GT labeled as a resistance? Nothing about these moves are remotely implied to be lethal on contact unless in Dragon Ball, getting hit by these means you die instantly, which I'd like to see scans of, but this is ridiculous.

Heat, Ice and Electricity should be fine to stay due to scaling from Toei/GT Goku, plus TheGreatBanana's point about Nuova, but the rest can be removed

Causality, Fate, Text, Chaos, Darkness, Quantum, Space and Time hax: Ok this is a big one, so nothing in the pages that have this particular move remotely implies that it consuming the multiverse means that it has all of these abilities. Chaos hax, assuming that it's from the same reason as dark ki, is stupid beyond relief, as it's the same level of logic as affecting space and time means you affect causality and fate itself, same applies to Causality and Fate hax as nothing about the black hole implies this is happening. Darkness doesn't really say much here, just that it's leaving people in the darkness, especially with people resisting it as nothing implies the darkness does anything to them. Space and Time manipulation for absorbing and destroying the multiverse idk why the hell this is classified as space-time hax, as this is just an AP feat for the black hole destroying everything, not them controlling or warping space and time. Text manipulation is completely unjustified as nothing about the black hole is remotely implied to warp the time scrolls. By this logic everyone that can blow up a planet has plant, earth, magma, life, etc. manipulation for blowing it up. Nothing about this makes any sense. Lastly the Quantum hax, from what I can gather, this is only here because it's a black hole... despite the fact we've never done that for anyone who can make a black hole on this site. So this should be nuked unless there actually exists some evidence that quantum particles are being manipulated.

I'll be honest, I was never a big fan of that tabber. Going by the example of those other profiles I'm inclined to agree with you. I would rather just have Black Hole Creation justification have an explanation about the ability and that's it

I think I've responded to all points in the OP but let me know if I missed some

Also, I assume that we can start applying the accepted changes. It would make things faster if we started now.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Demigra's body was seemingly destroyed and Chronoa still believed Demigra could return so there's that atleast. Plus Towa actually going to Hell and resurrecting from there.

Mechi was never destroyed, only sealed though.

Besides, you're implying again that those timelines regenerated when TokiToki just brought those out from his body.

 

[Planck69]

I have 0 idea about this, iirc history erasure has to explicitly said or something, but I'm unsure lol.

History erasure seems pretty solid for that one. Has Zamasu regenerated from that specifically?

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

Mechi was never destroyed, only sealed though.

Besides, you're implying again that those timelines regenerated when TokiToki just brought those out from his body.

Uhhhh wut. This has nothing to do with that

 

[StrymULTRA]

Uhhhh wut. This has nothing to do with that

I didn't read that well lol. Mb.

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

I didn't read that well lol. Mb.

Np

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

History erasure seems pretty solid for that one. Has Zamasu regenerated from that specifically?

He regenerated after Zeno erased him along with his timeline

 

[segetero]

I have 0 idea about this, iirc history erasure has to explicitly said or something, but I'm unsure lol.

I have not seen anything on high godly regen page or EE page that mentions history needing to be directly mentioned. History being destroyed is a necessity considering that again the entire timeline was nuked. To me the evidence seems pretty clear cut, however if you think the evidence is shaky perhaps a possibly high godly is warranted

 

[StrymULTRA]

Np

I meant my Low Godly rebuttal I did before, but none bothered to reply lol

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

I meant my Low Godly rebuttal I did before, but none bothered to reply lol

Oh right that. Was more focused on the OP so I forgot about it. I'll check it today

 

[Planck69]

He regenerated after Zeno erased him along with his timeline

And I'm assuming that Zen'o's is to the same degree why? Though timeline erasure itself does sound promising.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

And I'm assuming that Zen'o's is to the same degree why? Though timeline erasure itself does sound promising.

Zeno erased Zamasu along with the entire timeline and the time ring is even shown dissapearing and even Fused Zamasu from super bad mid godly regen

 

[Planck69]

Zeno erased Zamasu along with the entire timeline and the time ring is even shown dissapearing and even Fused Zamasu from super bad mid godly regen

I don't care about Super Zamasu.

I suppose if he did regenerate from that level of erasure then it'd qualify.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I have not seen anything on high godly regen page or EE page that mentions history needing to be directly mentioned. History being destroyed is a necessity considering that again the entire timeline was nuked. To me the evidence seems pretty clear cut, however if you think the evidence is shaky perhaps a possibly high godly is warranted

So zeno will have history deletion on his profile?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I don't care about Super Zamasu.

I suppose if he did regenerate from that level of erasure then it'd qualify.

Objects bound to your universe when it's erased complete that history erasure?

 

[segetero]

So zeno will have history deletion on his profile?

He has 2-c EE which is already accepted and constitutes erasing the entire timeline (and by proxy it’s history no surprise there) so it’s not really necessary

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

He has 2-c EE which is already accepted and constitutes erasing the entire timeline (and by proxy it’s history no surprise there) so it’s not really necessary

When Gohan defeats a character from the Universe, the character drops his cord and Gohan watches, then his Universe is erased, taken along with the ring, does that mean anything?

 

[Planck69]

So zeno will have history deletion on his profile?

Anyone with 2-C AP can do that technically, so no.

 

[Greenshifter]

Anyone with 2-C AP can do that technically, so no.

Anyone with 2-C DC can do that. Which is not even correct, since destroying 4 infinite spatial dimensions would count for 2-A.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Anyone with 2-C DC can do that. Which is not even correct, since destroying 4 infinite spatial dimensions would count for 2-A.

2-A Zeno being implied

Cringe

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Anyone with 2-C DC can do that. Which is not even correct, since destroying 4 infinite spatial dimensions would count for 2-A.

Is this how it's treated at DC?

 

[Greenshifter]

Cringe

Even I don't scale him that high, it was just easier to write that sentence than to explain it for 2-C. Also this is a DBH CRT so me implying 2-A Zen'o is fine

Is this how it's treated at DC?

I have a feeling you misunderstood me.

 

[segetero]

When Gohan defeats a character from the Universe, the character drops his cord and Gohan watches, then his Universe is erased, taken along with the ring, does that mean anything?

Time rings are created when a new timeline is born so the time ring being erased heavily implies that the timeline was erased

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Time rings are created when a new timeline is born so the time ring being erased heavily implies that the timeline was erased

It's not that, it's that the object left behind was erased and like the whole universe, I'm not quoting the ring of time, but rather linking that object to the person that was erased, you know?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Even I don't scale him that high, it was just easier to write that sentence than to explain it for 2-C. Also this is a DBH CRT so me implying 2-A Zen'o is fine

I have a feeling you misunderstood me.

Perhaps

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I don't care about Super Zamasu.

I suppose if he did regenerate from that level of erasure then it'd qualify.

Mb I just wanted to make sure

 

[Theglassman12]

@Planck69 from what I recall the arguments against history level erasure regen is the fact that there’s still Zamasu in that timeline from before he attempted to kill Gowasu, hence he wasn’t fully erased across history or some shit. If anyone wants to elaborate on that it would be great.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

@Planck69 from what I recall the arguments against history level erasure regen is the fact that there’s still Zamasu in that timeline from before he attempted to kill Gowasu, hence he wasn’t fully erased across history or some shit. If anyone wants to elaborate on that it would be great.

Hmmm... I suppose you're referring to Present Zamasu? He was erased by Beerus so that's a different kind of erasure...

 

[segetero]

@Planck69 from what I recall the arguments against history level erasure regen is the fact that there’s still Zamasu in that timeline from before he attempted to kill Gowasu, hence he wasn’t fully erased across history or some shit. If anyone wants to elaborate on that it would be great.

that was the present timeline, the Zamasu was erased by Zeno was the future trunks timelines variant

tldr different zamasu’s from different timelines

 

[Theglassman12]

@Ottavio_Merluzzo no not that Zamasu, Whis mentions going back into trunks’ timeline to warn the Beerus of that Timeline about Zamasu’s schemes. Basically implying he wasn’t erased across history completely.

 

[segetero]

@Ottavio_Merluzzo no not that Zamasu, Whis mentions going back into trunks’ timeline to warn the Beerus of that Timeline about Zamasu’s schemes. Basically implying he wasn’t erased across history completely.

When did that happen. Also that does not unless it happens after the erasure.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

When did that happen. Also that does not unless it happens after the erasure.

It happened later in Super, after the erasure

Although the Time Ring is gone, and it's pretty much implied to be an alternate timeline since there's a copy of Trunks and Mai in it.

 

[segetero]

It happened later in Super, after the erasure

Although the Time Ring is gone, and it's pretty much implied to be an alternate timeline since there's a copy of Trunks and Mai in it.

Now I remember thanks

@Ottavio_Merluzzo no not that Zamasu, Whis mentions going back into trunks’ timeline to warn the Beerus of that Timeline about Zamasu’s schemes. Basically implying he wasn’t erased across history completely

Again it’s a case of different zamasu different timeline, as trunks was sent to a timeline that was not his native timeline and that other timeline’s beerus was warned about the plans of that other timeline’s zamasu

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Yeah, the Time Machine travels to alternative timelines.

Also traveling to erased space times has happened before,in the games. In XV1 with Demigra

 

[StrymULTRA]

About the Demigra thing, he is very specific about History Erasure, where he threatens the FW1 to erase them from history, so they never existed in the 1st place.

But after that everyone forgot about FW1 because of Towa paradoxxing their ass, Trunks remembers them after a while.

Meaning that those characters still remembering things which got erased on history level is not that obvious as you can think.

 

[segetero]

About the Demigra thing, he is very specific about History Erasure, where he threatens the FW1 to erase them from history, so they never existed in the 1st place.

But after that everyone forgot about FW1 because of Towa paradoxxing their ass, Trunks remembers them after a while.

Meaning that those characters still remembering things which got erased on history level is not that obvious as you can think.

Even if I grant that things erased from history can’t be remembered (they can). I’d then just argue that they remember zamasu because Zamasu regenerated himself along with his history

 

[StrymULTRA]

Even if I grant that things erased from history can’t be remembered (they can). I’d then just argue that they remember zamasu because Zamasu regenerated himself along with his history

But history straight up says that he got erased. If the history was truly erased, then the scroll wouldn't even exist.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Oh yeah, forgot about how the deletion of the FW ****** up a lot of timelines/scrolls too, when instead the deletion of Zamasu did basically nothing.

Another proof that actual history erasure does affect scrolls, but with Zamasu that did not happen.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Individual universes in DBH have histories on their own, so it'd be history erasure regardless.