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The energy needed to shake a car isn’t nearly the same as the energy needed to destroy one. So yeah you wouldn’t be.guess that doesn't make me car level...
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The energy needed to shake a car isn’t nearly the same as the energy needed to destroy one. So yeah you wouldn’t be.guess that doesn't make me car level...
Did you not read the whole thread before adding to this convo? Because you really should start actually reading the entire thread before you bring in a point that's already been addressed/debunked.The energy needed to shake a car isn’t nearly the same as the energy needed to destroy one. So yeah you wouldn’t be.
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Already countered above.SSJ3 Goku shook that entire realm.
Fusion Reborn being canon to GT is yet to be accepted.Both Fusion Reborn and the Z Anime are Canon to GT.
what... the ****However this also means that SSJ God Goku
With accepted multipliers, headcanon multipliers, or contradictory Super Exciting Guide multipliers?I did the math and SSJ4 Goku is initially 204,800x Base.
For secondary information to be taken into account, the information has to be backed up by the source material.In order to Tank Attacks you need to be 2x your Opponent (basically confirmed in the Daizenshuu).
Oh, Super Exciting Guide multipliers. "Bruce Waves"?Baby in his Regular SSJ Form (which was confirmed to be his First White Hair form in the GT Perfect Files) tanked SSJ3 Goku and got 8x Stronger than that with his next two forms (his 3rd form being SSJ3 as confirmed in the GT Perfect Files). That means 16x Gap bare Minimum between SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Baby (when SSJ3 Baby fought SSJ3 Goku the second time in the Japanese Dub he stated Goku's Power did not change from their last fight). Golden Oozaru Goku is Bare Minimum 32x SSJ3 due to tanking blasts from SSJ3 Baby and then Baby goes Golden Oozaru. Let's say the Bruce Waves do not increase Baby's Base Power. That's still a 16x Increase that Goku would need in his Initial SSJ4 Transformation to match Golden Oozaru Baby.
pretty sure the gap between universal and low multiversal is a matter of an entirely new dimensionGT verse is Heavily Downplayed and I don't think they're really all that far from their Super counterparts up until the Zamasu/Tournament of Power Arcs... Unless the Gap between Universal and Low Multiversal is way more than I can imagine.
That's because of a completely different theory.As others said shaking a universe isn’t Universe level.
It hardly even makes sense for Fusion Reborn not to be Canon to GT. There is an entire thread explaining it. Do I really have to wait for that thread to be accepted before I can use it as a point?Fusion Reborn being canon to GT is yet to be accepted.
what... the ****
With accepted multipliers, headcanon multipliers, or contradictory Super Exciting Guide multipliers?
For secondary information to be taken into account, the information has to be backed up by the source material.
Barriers requiring the user to project twice as much Ki as their opponent has yet to be backed up.
Oh, Super Exciting Guide multipliers. "Bruce Waves"?
pretty sure the gap between universal and low multiversal is a matter of an entirely new dimension
Yes.Do I really have to wait for that thread to be accepted before I can use it as a point?
Super Saiyan multipliers.Show me where the super exciting guide covers the GT Multipliers.
Okay? But if it does then everything I said still stands? Even if it's not a Universal Feat it still means Base GT Goku would be Galaxy Level.Yes.
That is how Content Revision works.
Super Saiyan multipliers.
Isn't it literally stated in-canon?I don't even believe the Great Ape multiplier is even accepted on the Wiki.
the gap between just high 3-A and low 2-C alone is an uncountable amount of infinities, its a difference of dimensional hierarchyUnless the Gap between Universal and Low Multiversal is way more than I can imagine.
Yeah I learned that.the gap between just high 3-A and low 2-C alone is an uncountable amount of infinities, its a difference of dimensional hierarchy
Pretty sure Oozaru is accepted as 10x multiplier seeing how its formatted in the kid goku page on vsb i could be wrong thoughIsn't it literally stated in-canon?
Vegeta's doesn't mention the multiplier though, so i am unsure as wellPretty sure Oozaru is accepted as 10x multiplier seeing how its formatted in the kid goku page on vsb i could be wrong though
Vegeta's doesn't mention the multiplier though, so i am unsure as well
oh cool, so the multiplier is canon, but uh, i mean't vegeta's profile here not mentioning it, so thanks for confirming it should be on the profiles
Yeah but I’m pretty sure Kaioken Oozaru and SSJ multipliers are accepted since they’re consistentFor the manga at least, we don't even accept the SS2 and SS3 multipliers.
Kaioken, Oozaru and SS1 are accepted.Yeah but I’m pretty sure Kaioken Oozaru and SSJ multipliers are accepted since they’re consistent
Yeah and the Frieza fight where Goku was getting clapped in base and was doing better in other higher kaiokens and started doing good in kaioken x20 but he started decimating in ssj which is x50Kaioken, Oozaru and SS1 are accepted.
SS1 is accepted because it's consistent and mentioned outside of the Super Exciting Guide.
Kaioken and SS1 yes, I have never heard of Oozaru multipliers being accepted.Kaioken, Oozaru and SS1 are accepted.
SS1 is accepted because it's consistent and mentioned outside of the Super Exciting Guide.
I'm pretty sure the Mind Body and Spirit effected his Power. Akira Toriyama has stated that effects Chi in Interviews. Gohan's Mentality weakened his Power before he decided to step up and battle Cell. Goku even states himself that Gohan's Doubt was Weakening his Chi.Yes(though you could argue Gohan was nearly equal to super perfect Cell with just one arm)
It's the only multiplier besides Kaioken that's actually stated in the Original Source material. If anything it should be accepted more so than the Super Saiyan Multipliers (although I do agree even ignoring those that 50x or higher only makes sense even if we Lowball)Kaioken and SS1 yes, I have never heard of Oozaru multipliers being accepted.
I believe Vegeta breaking Cell's Focus was more or less the Trigger that Caused Gohan to gain the Confidence needed to gain just a bit more Power and Destroy Cell. Even if Cell Regained his Focus he probably wouldn't have won and instead the Beam Struggle death that Cell took would have been much slower (assuming Cell can't use Kaioken, which I have no idea why he didn't do)"He was nearly equal to SPC with only one arm, yes, as his Body effected his Power as well. However his Power was Above Half when he was doing the Kamehameha Blast against Cell."
I'm not sure Vegeta had to use a Big Bang to break Cells concentration allowing Gohan to finally push through Cell attack (Cell was even saying goodbye gg prior to getting attacked by Vegeta)
I mean I know how to do basic math, I would assume the Multiplier doesn't reach straight up Universal Levels. I just didn't know Shaking a Universe Sized Dimension no longer counts as Universal.Anyway, multiplying the Fusion Reborn feat by 204,800 gets 2.431795e+75 J.
This is 1.1616933e+17 times lower than baseline Universe level.
Goku would have to get 1000x stronger, then increase his strength 1000-fold, increase it another thousand-fold, increase it another 1000x, boost 1000x more, get a final 1000x boost, and then further increase his strength more than 10x for any AP upgrade to happen.
So, this would actually lower our ratings. Also, if we want the Oozaru multiplier and such, we should address it in a thread dedicated to that topic.
Should I close this?
Yeah I'm fine with it... Nothing new has really been added since day one other than some people apparently just realizing the Oozaru Multiplier is a Confirmed 10xYeah, keep in mind that we also used to have DBS manga Goku as Multi-Galaxy level for shaking the universe. Although, we eventually revised it Universe level because he was eventually going to destroy the universe from its edge, so we could divide that level of power by time.
In this case, I'll defer to you on that. Are you fine with it being closed?