- 3,441
- 2,216
This'll only affect Raditz to Namek Saga characters, anyone who is First Form Frieza level and up don't get affected so we don't have to worry about how other threads affecting this.
The method on how we backscale is based on hypothetical power levels with multipliers (Hypothetical Kaio-ken x10 Goku over First Form Frieza, in base he's 10x weaker, he's 10x weaker in the Saiyan Saga, and he's 20x weaker in the Raditz Saga)
This might seem fine at first, until we apply that same logic over to Original Dragon Ball, and then it falls apart, for example:
Goku in the fight against King Piccolo had a Power level of 260, hypothetically he can transform into an Oozaru which boosts him to 2,600, that's over Raditz and Gohan...downscaling from Raditz/Gohan's current value (305.677822299 Yottatons) by 1/10th for Goku's base of it and we get 30.5677822299 Yottatons, that's Large Planet level.
Oh but it gets worse, Goku during the 22nd Budokai has a Battle Power of 180, multiply that by 10x via Oozaru and we get 1800, AGAIN over Raditz and Gohan, meaning base Goku at this time is 30.5677822299 Yottatons.
This is obviously goes against the consistent moon feats these characters are touted to be in many times, (also Oozaru Pilaf Saga Goku has a BP of 100 meanwhile 22nd budokai is 180, take that as you will lmao) therefore BP should only be used to place one character over the other, specifically if that's shown to be the case and not with any hypotheticals.
For the new scaling chain we could also use this calculation:
Here is the new AP scaling chain with this change and calc:
Also I made a small mistake no one noticed in the current AP blog, that being Saiyan Saga Gohan being above Krillin's scatter Kamehameha, whoops.
Only counting staff:
(For downgrading)
Agree: 3
Disagree: 1
Neutral:
(For average planet calc)
Agree: 3
Disagree: 1
Neutral:
The method on how we backscale is based on hypothetical power levels with multipliers (Hypothetical Kaio-ken x10 Goku over First Form Frieza, in base he's 10x weaker, he's 10x weaker in the Saiyan Saga, and he's 20x weaker in the Raditz Saga)
This might seem fine at first, until we apply that same logic over to Original Dragon Ball, and then it falls apart, for example:
Goku in the fight against King Piccolo had a Power level of 260, hypothetically he can transform into an Oozaru which boosts him to 2,600, that's over Raditz and Gohan...downscaling from Raditz/Gohan's current value (305.677822299 Yottatons) by 1/10th for Goku's base of it and we get 30.5677822299 Yottatons, that's Large Planet level.
Oh but it gets worse, Goku during the 22nd Budokai has a Battle Power of 180, multiply that by 10x via Oozaru and we get 1800, AGAIN over Raditz and Gohan, meaning base Goku at this time is 30.5677822299 Yottatons.
This is obviously goes against the consistent moon feats these characters are touted to be in many times, (also Oozaru Pilaf Saga Goku has a BP of 100 meanwhile 22nd budokai is 180, take that as you will lmao) therefore BP should only be used to place one character over the other, specifically if that's shown to be the case and not with any hypotheticals.
For the new scaling chain we could also use this calculation:
GBE of an Average Dragon Ball Panet
vsbattles.fandom.com
Here is the new AP scaling chain with this change and calc:
Raditz Saga
- Unweighted Goku is >=1/20th as strong as his Saiyan Saga self, Piccolo is comparable to him - 22.1558317334 Zettatons (Small Planet level)
- Gohan with a power level of 1,307 is 3x as strong as Goku - 66.4674952002 Zettatons (Planet level)
- Raditz has a slightly higher power level of 1,500 and can tank an unexpected head-but from this Gohan. Piccolo kills both Raditz and Goku with his Special Beam Cannon - 66.4674952002 Zettatons (Planet level)
- As an Oozaru, Gohan and Raditz are 10x stronger - 664.674952002 Zettatons (Planet level)
Saiyan Saga
- Krillin is superior to Raditz - 66.4674952002 Zettatons (Planet level)
- Krillin split his Kamehameha into 6, 4 of which killed 4 Raditz-level Saibamen - 398.804971201 Zettatons (Planet level)
- Gohan is superior - 66.4674952002 Zettatons (Planet level)
- As an Oozaru he's 10x stronger - 664.674952002 Zettatons (Planet level)
- Goku is 1/3th the strength of his Kaio-ken x3 self, Nappa is comparable to him albeit is weaker - 443.116634667 Zettatons (Planet level)
- Kaio-ken Goku - 886.233269334 Zettatons (Planet level)
- Kaio-ken x3 Goku, overwhelms Vegeta and matched his Galick Gun - 1.329349904 Yottatons (Planet level)
- Kaio-ken x4 Goku overwhelms Vegeta's Galick Gun - 1.77246653867 Yottatons (Planet level)
- Nappa is comparable to Goku albeit is weaker - 443.116634667 Zettatons (Planet level)
- As an Oozaru, Nappa is 10x stronger - 4.43116634667 Yottatons (Large Planet level)
- Vegeta is superior to Kaio-ken x2 Goku, and has a Battle Power of 18,000 which is enough to destroy a planet. Can match Kaio-ken x3 Goku with his Galick Gun, also threatened to destroy Earth with it - 1.329349904 Yottatons (Planet level)
- As an Oozaru, Vegeta is 10x stronger than his base - 13.29349904 Yottatons (Large Planet level)
Namek Saga
- Goku got 10x stronger than his previous base - 4.43116634667 Yottatons (Large Planet level)
- Kaio-ken Goku - 8.86233269334 Yottatons (Large Planet level)
- Kaio-ken x10 Goku - 44.3116634667 Yottatons (Large Planet level)
Only counting staff:
(For downgrading)
Agree: 3
Disagree: 1
Neutral:
(For average planet calc)
Agree: 3
Disagree: 1
Neutral:
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