Dovahkiin vs Samus Aran

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

That proves nothing, prove that that is actually the fact in verse.

 

[LordGinSama]

It actually does prove something. Developers don't want you to constantly spam it, just like how they have to nerf Mehrunes Razer to have a 1 % chance of instant death but the lore has it that it can kill instantly with no nerfs.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Ok now prove that it's a thing in verse otherwise we take it as we see unless lore sats otherwise.

 

[Self_Love]

That proves nothing, prove that that is actually the fact in verse.

I gave you the reason why we had a cooldown on shouts. I'm also trying to say that the Skyrim engine can't handle what shouts can do in lore.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

You said why it isnt a thing, you never said if its actually the case in universe. There's stuff Samus cant do in game but we know she can do it outside of it because of manga and cutscenes. Ya gotta do the same.

 

[LordGinSama]

Skyrim doesn't have a manga or anything like that. But it's simple logic and most people know that you can't spam shouts due to how broken it would be in game. The game itself would instantly crash if you could do it constantly. But nothing in the lore suggests that they are limited

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

But is there anything in lore that has them spamming ? If not then gitta go with what's shown.

 

[Theglassman12]

Also he has soul manipulation

It only works when the opponent is dead.

 

[LordGinSama]

@J


You'll have to give me a few to find the lore coverings shouts. Elder Scrolls Lore is a pain in the ass so it'll take awhile.

 

[Self_Love]

I have no knowledge on Samus.I see 6-C, 5-B, At least 4-C, etc but what can she do specifically in her 6-C version not including the others?

 

[Theglassman12]

@green look through her powers and abilities section. They have all 4 sections of her tiers separated.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

She should have power bombs, her speed booster and screw attack in her 6-C key from Samus and jiey.

 

[Self_Love]

How long does it take for her to use a power bomb?

 

[Theglassman12]

A few seconds at best.

 

[Self_Love]

What degree of Precognition does Samus have? This matters alot

 

[LordGinSama]

Also I remember from an Erza vs Samus thread that apparently her pre cog is very limited and her invulnerability wares off quickly.

 

[Theglassman12]

Sensemove: Samus has shown more than once in Other M to be able to dodge threats behind her, and threats that are out of view, such as when the Vorash lunged at Samus from below the location she was traveling in, and there was no way for Samus to see or hear the Vorash coming.

 

[LordGinSama]

That's a basic description of average precog, I think he meant like what's the draw backs, is it always consistent and how long can it allow her to see attacks coming ( Example: Minutes before the attack is made, seconds etc.) And is it mind based, muscle based or sound based?

 

[Theglassman12]

There's no drawbacks at all. It's always consistent and is arguably the ability that breaks the game.

 

[Self_Love]

So it's more for dodging physical/energy based attacks and not knowing what your opponent is planning seconds/minutes beforehand? I need confirmation on this

 

[Theglassman12]

It's more focused on dodging. And it helps Samus a lot. Especially since she gets a charge shot ready when she dodges any attack.

 

[Self_Love]

So Samus basically has ultra instinct... that solves a big part of the puzzle

One more question. Does the power bomb have an after effect of any kind or is it like a ki blast?

 

[SomebodyData]

Other than vaporizing people through sheer heat? Not really.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

It has air pressure, it knocks things over and shakes the entire area.

 

[Self_Love]

Based on the information i'm seeing right now, Dovahkiin should take this. Unless there's something I don't know.

-Power Bomb/Beam negated by Become Ethereal ( Immune to ALL forms of damage, not just physical ) and Slow Time ( Can spam this and all shouts endlessly )

-Electric armor/Lightning armor is immune to physical attacks/Electricty. Not Shouts/Magical attacks

Examples

Unrelenting Force - Force Push ( Also can disintegrate enemies )

Soul Tear - Cuts through flesh and shatters soul

Marked for Death - Armor and Lifeforce

Drain Vitality - Health, Stamina, and Magic

Ice Form - Freezes opponent solid

Fire Breath

Frost Breath

And if you want to go by lore, some of these shouts will one shot Samus lol

Don't forget about the different schools of magic Dovahkiin can use.




- The type of Precognition Samus has only protects her from Physical attacks. So it doesn't matter when you can stop/slow time nonstop and attack her from there and as I said earlier her lightning armor won't protect her because it's not immune to magical attacks/Shouts besides electricity.

- Super Speed/ Speed boost doesn't matter when it's equalized.

-Screw attack negated through Become Ethereal

Also if you want to include Mehrunes Razor and the Wabbajack then Dovahkiin one shots.

Am i missing something?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Maybe.

Not true, it extends past just physical attacks based .

>ice form. Not working, same with fire breath and frost breath.

Ya do know scan visor exists? She will have info on his abilities at the start.

Screw attack can shred ghosts if I recall.

And ya missed a handful of her abilities.

Also she resists life draining of all sorts.

 

[Theglassman12]

Did you read any of the points above? Samus can use her electro armor to be invulnerable, and she has fought intangible beings in the past. Also SD said that magic has appeared in metroid numerous times, so it's not new to Samus. Also Samus's ice beam is more broken than DV's ice attacks.

 

[Arrogant_Schmuck]

Just because one's more broken doesn't mean the other isn't still effective.

 

[Theglassman12]

Her precognition makes sure she doesn't get hit by any form of physical or projectile based attack. And like I said earlier, she gets a charge beam every time she dodges, which means it's an instant freeze.

 

[SomebodyData]

Well Varia Suit has been shown to have resistance against cold (fusion remember?)

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

the only reason why she couldnt go into that sector was not because the base suit was vulnerable but because baby dna.

 

[SomebodyData]

Yeah, but afterwards she would be able to shrug off sub-zero (freezing temp)

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

I'm aware, just saying power suit, doesn't mean it's weak to vold, the only thing that prevented her from going to that sectir was dna.

 

[Self_Love]

Maybe.
Not true, it extends past just physical attacks based .

>ice form. Not working, same with fire breath and frost breath.

Ya do know scan visor exists? She will have info on his abilities at the start.

Screw attack can shred ghosts if I recall.

And ya missed a handful of her abilities.

Also she resists life draining of all sorts.

1. Good we agree on this

2. What of the other shouts? What about his magic?

3. Won't matter when time has stopped

4. Show me proof of 6-C Samus shredding ghost. I don't know if you can even classify this shout as being a ghost.

5. What abilites of a 6-C Samus listed on the Vs Battle page have i missed that will combat these hax

6. That is only one shout.

 

[LordGinSama]

Also just saying that nobody has really answered what happens if she's hit with Mehrunes Razor or the Wabajack. Marked for death can also help lower all of her defensive stats.

 

[Self_Love]

Her precognition makes sure she doesn't get hit by any form of physical or projectile based attack. And like I said earlier, she gets a charge beam every time she dodges, which means it's an instant freeze.

Her precognition won't matter. I'm setting up a scenerio where Dovahkiin doesn't rely on physical attacks and uses his hax from start. You can't dodge when Time is stopped.

 

[Theglassman12]

She can pull up her electro armor, making her invulnerable when she realizes all of his abilities. Also, here's Samus attacking a Ghost.

And here's another creature that can be intangible that Samus has killed.

 

[LordGinSama]

Also wouldn't the Spellbreaker hard counter her Ice attacks? The thing is a Daedric Artifact that negates energy and magic attacks.

Also remember DG can summon Karstag and another Dragon Born to fight with Him via Dragon Aspect.

 

[Theglassman12]

Her precognition makes sure she doesn't get hit by any form of physical or projectile based attack. And like I said earlier, she gets a charge beam every time she dodges, which means it's an instant freeze.

Her precognition won't matter. I'm setting up a scenerio where Dovahkiin doesn't rely on physical attacks and uses his hax from start. You can't dodge when Time is stopped.

She'll just pull out her electro armor to defend herself. Also I didn't know that you were the OP.

 

[SomebodyData]

But does he usually rely on hax from the start? @Green

@Knight because her range (Even with example you brought) is still higher, considering that those are both on shot abilities, the one that can hit first wins.