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Mmmmm Samus still one-shots via ice beam and range, none of what you said changes that and you mistake intangible with invulnerable in regards to Ghosts.
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Dovahkiin vs Samus Aran
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Samus has also faced against intangible beings like the hunter ing and phantoon. Samus can also negate durability and bypass armor with her ice beam and plasma beam, can heal as well with concentration and invulnerability is just that, invulnerability. Doesn't matter if it's a ghost. Battle cry only works once per day. And once it wears out, samus can just use concentration to regain her health.
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Both can become Invulnerable DG via become Ethereal. As for her ice how good is it? The DG can stand being frozen solid and come back without an issue. While Battle Cry can only be used once that's all he needs. Runs after her and insta kill via Mehrunes Razer or simply uses the Wabajack to turn her into a Mud Crab. Also once again he can simply use summons to overwhelm her with numbers and get the jump with any of his weapons that negate durability.
As for Range I doubt she's has the edge. There's a bow that he can use once he shots it into the sky a massive amount of lasers / solar energy fall from the sky with a massive amount of AoE strike down.
As for Range I doubt she's has the edge. There's a bow that he can use once he shots it into the sky a massive amount of lasers / solar energy fall from the sky with a massive amount of AoE strike down.
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Considering the vast amount of Races the DG can be that'd be difficult trying to pin point his weaknesses. As i said Nords are highly resistant to Ice manipulation. This seems like a no limits fallacy to assume she'd be able to find information on him whenever they are from too very different universes. I don't see how any race would be in her data.
Did you not read my last comment? She was able to easily get info on a race that doesn't exist in her dimension.
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Two very different things. A dimension can still be found in her own universe so that's understandable. But a completely different universe? That's when I call BS. If we don't treat Omniscience like that we shouldn't treat something drastically inferior any different.
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Oh yeah, I didn't mean, once hax ability that makes a vs thread decisive is an automatic stomp, but time stop, permanant time stop especially, is generally considered a massive hax. And oh yeah, I didn't know the electric barrier works against time manipulation; thought it only applied to damaging attacks/obstacles.
And yeah, Samus can easily damage intangible beings like, Ruins Test, Phantoo, Ing, almost every enemy enhanced by Phazon, and Gorea. So intangibility doesn't work against Samus. On second that, thanks to @SomebodyData for more info, I'm switching back to voting Samus. Her Ice Beam is also way too OP for DV's simple ice manipulation.
And yeah, Samus can easily damage intangible beings like, Ruins Test, Phantoo, Ing, almost every enemy enhanced by Phazon, and Gorea. So intangibility doesn't work against Samus. On second that, thanks to @SomebodyData for more info, I'm switching back to voting Samus. Her Ice Beam is also way too OP for DV's simple ice manipulation.
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I think what they were suggesting is Samus's visor would be able to predict the time stop and she would be able to deploy it so that she would still be frozen, but she wouldn't take damage while time is stopped.DarkDragonMedeus said:
That is, of course, assuming Samus's visor would, in fact, know any and everything about DV.
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@Knight, Samus's Ice Beam is "Near absolute zero" scaling from the Judicator Beam. Also, when combined with wave beam, it phases through their armor and targets their vitals, so it's at a much grander scale than DV's ice manipulation.
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Also, are you sure DV's Ice Manipulation can't compare? I know the run-of-the-mill frost spell takes a comparatively long time to take effect, but the Ice Form shout freezes opponents solid instantly for 20-30 seconds while also dealing frost damage.
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So apparently a device that can analyze a being that has never been seen by others isn't useful against someone in another universe? That seriously underestimating the abilities of the scan visor.Knightofannihilation666 said:
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Well I wasn't saying he had better Ice Manipulation but it wouldn't be as effective via Nords having a 50% resistance to Ice attacks. And he's certainly strong enough to keep pushing after getting hit by it.
Well I wasn't saying he had better Ice Manipulation but it wouldn't be as effective via Nords having a 50% resistance to Ice attacks. And he's certainly strong enough to keep pushing after getting hit by it.
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We just told you that she can freeze her enemies solid. She also has the speed boost, which doesn't help out the dragon born that much especially when she's running away. Oh and guess what, she has numerous ways to negate durability to.Knightofannihilation666 said:
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Actually no not really. Once again while it has data on creatures in a different dimension it's still in HER verse. The Elder scrolls takes place in a completely different verse so saying that she'd have data on someone from a different verse is a nasty no limits fallacy and bulk crap.
Once again he's been frozen solid before. Speed boosting is useless in a speed equalized match. And I'm aware of her durability negation.
Actually no not really. Once again while it has data on creatures in a different dimension it's still in HER verse. The Elder scrolls takes place in a completely different verse so saying that she'd have data on someone from a different verse is a nasty no limits fallacy and bulk crap.
Once again he's been frozen solid before. Speed boosting is useless in a speed equalized match. And I'm aware of her durability negation.
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I know DV has resisted ice based attacks, but none of it has any proof that it was anywhere near AZ temperatures; Sub-zero isn't even close to AZ. However, Ice Beam does not quite reach AZ, but it very close.
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And again, that dimension involved beings that are never seen before AKA no one has any data on them. And samus can scan them and figure out what makes them tick. Saying that he's in another universe does not equal he can't be analyzed.
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It does seem, to me, like knowing any and everything about a person from a completely separate and vastly different universe borders on Omniscience.Theglassman12 said:
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Guess what, Dark Samus is one of those beings that exists in a separate dimension, and Samus was able to find her weakness in all the times they've battled via scan visor.
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Theglassman12 said:
Actually it does. I don't know how many times i need to repeat myself but Samus is gonna have info on someone from a completely different universe. That's like me saying she'd know everything about Hades from Saint Seiya by scanning him. That's a nasty NLF and you know it. She's not omniscient. Even Omniscient characters don't have knowledge about characters from different verses.
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It's not omniscience unless you literally know everything about everyone and everything from the very beginning. Samus technically needs to first scan him, which she can do very quickly, but will have all knowledge about that particular opponent once she does. That's not quite omniscience.
Also, yes, Samus can easily analyze DV; just because DV comes from a difference verse, it doesn't change the fact that DV is still human, is still biological, and nothing new to what Samus has already fought before.
Also, yes, Samus can easily analyze DV; just because DV comes from a difference verse, it doesn't change the fact that DV is still human, is still biological, and nothing new to what Samus has already fought before.
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Theglassman12 said:
Sure, he can be analyzed. She could have a good idea of his fighting style and weaponry. But shouts are magic, something that, to my knowledge, doesn't exist in Metroid. And even if it does, magic tends to be vastly different from universe to universe, franchise to franchise. So the likelihood that her visor, a creation of science, would know about the DV having the soul of a dragon seems like it would be very low.
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Her scan visor is information analysis. Do you need to know what that does? Here it is.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Information_Analysis
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Information_Analysis
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Theglassman12 said:
That's neat. Still doesn't provide evidence that her visor would be able to know about shouts and magic when nothing like that exists in Metroid.
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How about you double check both of their range before saying that. Samus has dozens of kilometers with her basic weapon, compared to DB's hundreds of meters.Knightofannihilation666 said:
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@Starry actually magic exists in metroid. A lot actually.
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SomebodyData said:
I was not aware of this. My bad. Still, I'm guessing it's quite different from the magic in TES, as magic tends to differ drastically between franchises. Especially considering the history of magic and shouts in TES and the requirements needed to use either i.e. having the soul of a dragon which again seems like something Samus's visor would not be able to analyze.
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That's the same as saying magic in FF are different, despite working the same way as any of the games, except they take different forms.
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Yes, I imagine the magic in Final Fantasy differs considerably from the magic in Metroid and the magic in TES. I don't exactly see how this proves Samus's visor would be able to analyze and predict the actions of a being with so many different features that it shouldn't be able to analyze.
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That's what information analysis is for. To analyze what her opponent's abilities are.
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@Starry I think you may be confusing info analysis with info banks.
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I'm aware of what the profiles says, I can read thank you. And I'll be making a CRT about his range later since it's heavily underestimated here. Once again Shouts can reach all the way to Sovngarde.
I'm aware of what the profiles says, I can read thank you. And I'll be making a CRT about his range later since it's heavily underestimated here. Once again Shouts can reach all the way to Sovngarde.
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Then you know that this ability will work regardless where the opponent is.Knightofannihilation666 said:
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"Regardless where the opponent is." I'd word things more carefully if I were you. Samus cannot ignore distance with her attacks nor does it have the range able to do so. Anyway this seems to be going in circles so I'm dropping the discussion. I've already given my opinion so yeah.
Just saying Samus can't counter Emphatic Manipulation.
Just saying Samus can't counter Emphatic Manipulation.
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Empathic Manipulation is a sub-set of mind manipulation, which she has resistance to.
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SomebodyData said:
I think that's nitpicking. I could make the argument that the GoDs are resistant towards mind manipulation since they resisted empathic manipulation with that logic.
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How is that nitpicking? She's shown to resist MB's influence
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No really, Mother Brain mind controlled various pirates and creatures on a planetary scale simultaneously, and that same mind manipulation had literally no effect on Samus. So Empathic manipulation won't do Jack Schitt
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@knight no, you can't. Empathic Manipulation is merely a sub-set ability of mind manipulation, if it were reversed, sure.
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Just wanna point out, but the scan visor works on ghosts, interdimendional beings, beings that suddenly appeared from the birth of a new universe and Gorath. Itd work here easily.
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Also he has soul manipulation
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