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Davoth and the father fought each other at one point in the lore. The father ended up winning but the fact he wasn’t turned into cosmic dust from being in the general direction of the father’s sneeze means Davoth scales to him.
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Doom Eternal Revision Thread Part 4
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Damn, we went from a game where you start off with a danky pistol to being a dark messiah like figure that's tangling in the affairs of multiversal entities. Hugo Martin is metal
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You are not getting what I am saying about the atlans. They needed the giant robots to FIGHT them in the first place, meaning they needed to beat the titans in combat first and then use the crucible to keep them down.
No we only have one 9-A calc that would scale to DG so the 50 times gap is completely irrelevant here.
They require zero assumptions the titan feat was even clarified by the developer. The only assumptions being made are by you about how they could have gone instead.
Visual feats? What visual feats? Do you mean gameplay feats? You know that’s ridiculous. The super shotgun and ballista would be BFG level. The fodder would scale to doomguy’s punches and the doom hunter would scale above the titans for taking 2 hits from crucible.
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Yes because the Atlans don't have Slayers speed or stamina and are thus forced to rely upon durability to take them in a fight
Once again, I'm gathering feats for this and even then no it's not. If a character is substantially stronger then their 9-A self then they would get likely far higher
Yes they do
You assume the Slayer killed the Titan with mostly physicals despite the statement mentioning weapons as being a big part of it
You assume the Crucible wasn't something he needed to harm the Titans despite the fact we never see evidence to support this and two instances of this not playing out
You assume he'd be 7-C for his absorption feats despite the fact as me and others have said that's whack
We're not making assumptions on how they could have gone instead; we're pointing out that you're making assumptions and have no evidence for half of these going the way you believe other then "he has 7-C feats)
As for your last comment I would like to thank you for providing the most clear example of a strawman.
At no point did I mention gameplay in any capacity and yet you assumed that's what I meant (Never mind people on this thread have proposed using it and you've paid no heed, or the fact that the profile already uses them)
Visual feats was in reference to cinematics and visual representations of feats such as the Sentinels vs Barons (Though you could admittedly use some of the prerecqusite obstacles)
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Sauce?
I'd also have to question how the Sentinels were able to defeat these amped Titans when they needed Crucibles and the Atlans to battle what should be weaker
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Both the ancestralsTitans and the Sentinels are powered by the same wraith energy. In the Codex it was stated that the night Sentinels used swords made of metal heavily implying that they did not have access to the atlans. Not only that but the story of The ancestral Titans take place long before the sentinels ever meet the Maykrs and begin becoming a more technological race.
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"The titans towered over the wild-blooded tribes but found them uncowed. The Secret of the Sword was discovered, and in the darkness of sweltering mountain-forges, we beat steel until it was strong enough to pierce bone and sever flesh.
Thus we came to be; born of rock and fire, lowly in birth but risen by the strength of our will. By the blessedness of the First Ones, we forged sword and shield and took the hammer to the Ancestrals. We claimed dominion of creation by right of blood and magick, and the Time of Man came to be."
There is no mention of Atlans existing during this battle.
Thus we came to be; born of rock and fire, lowly in birth but risen by the strength of our will. By the blessedness of the First Ones, we forged sword and shield and took the hammer to the Ancestrals. We claimed dominion of creation by right of blood and magick, and the Time of Man came to be."
There is no mention of Atlans existing during this battle.
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"With the coming of the Slayer, the Night Sentinels took the campaign deeper into the heartland of the demons than ever before. Mighty Atlans were brought forth, tearing paths through the hordes of Hell alongside the Slayer and his army. The high priests, under the guidance of the Mother God, had found means to gain entry to the innermost regions of the demon world, and with the Deag's presence new gates could be opened.
Our war machines were unstoppable, wrought with Maykr technology, enhanced by the very Essence our enemies hurled against us as our armies drove deeper and deeper into the blood-drenched territory of the demons. Countless victories were assured with the power of the Slayer, for with the Alpha-Interfector at the fore of our pack we brought certain doom to our foes."
Part X clearly shows that the Atlans are a combination of Maykr tech and Sentinel power. Atlans could not exist during the ancestral Titans. The Codex also reveals that the Atlans came after the Slayer killed the Dreadnaught.
Our war machines were unstoppable, wrought with Maykr technology, enhanced by the very Essence our enemies hurled against us as our armies drove deeper and deeper into the blood-drenched territory of the demons. Countless victories were assured with the power of the Slayer, for with the Alpha-Interfector at the fore of our pack we brought certain doom to our foes."
Part X clearly shows that the Atlans are a combination of Maykr tech and Sentinel power. Atlans could not exist during the ancestral Titans. The Codex also reveals that the Atlans came after the Slayer killed the Dreadnaught.
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Once again
I'm going to question how the Sentinels could best amplified Titans with just standard steel when they required mechs to combat them later
Either the Sentinels can easily fight Titans one on one or they can't and need to resort to other equipment
These are two incredibly different depictions which you can't exactly reconcile
I'm going to question how the Sentinels could best amplified Titans with just standard steel when they required mechs to combat them later
Either the Sentinels can easily fight Titans one on one or they can't and need to resort to other equipment
These are two incredibly different depictions which you can't exactly reconcile
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I just said the sentinels have the same wraith energy coursing through there veins just like the Ancestrals. The Dreadnaught was one of the most powerful titans in series, he appeared centuries after the Ancestrals and originated from hell (The Ancestrals were born on argent de nur.) The war on hell also happened Many years and Centuries afterwards. During a time span like that and the fact Ancestrals use wraith energy, whileHell Titans use a complete different energy source is a factor to be considered. Hell is very capable of creating stronger Titans, It's happened twice within the Series. The Dreadnaught and the Champion are good examples of this. Just because Atlans exist, does not imply they are not capable of beating down titans without them, they exist to be more efficient at destroying them.
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But your mention of Wraith energy implies these Titans are stronger then those that would come later, since they draw upon an energy source the others aren't alluded to possessing
Even if we assume there comparable it still makes no sense with the creation of the Atlans
If I can kill something with my primitive steel sword, why would I need to invent incredibly advanced technology from my gods? You'd be going that extra mile for no reason if you could defeat Titans physically from the get go. You could argue efficiency but that still implies it's not a straight up fight the Sentinels kill Titans in and would ignore the many times we see Atlan's destroyed in combat with Hell
Even if we assume there comparable it still makes no sense with the creation of the Atlans
If I can kill something with my primitive steel sword, why would I need to invent incredibly advanced technology from my gods? You'd be going that extra mile for no reason if you could defeat Titans physically from the get go. You could argue efficiency but that still implies it's not a straight up fight the Sentinels kill Titans in and would ignore the many times we see Atlan's destroyed in combat with Hell
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My mentioning of wraith energy was to show there's an explanation to why The Sentinels could fight Titans. I've never stated that the ancestrals were stronger in any regrad, only that they use wraith energy just like the Sentinels.
Yes it does. Atlans are an efficient way to kill titans more quickly. As I stated, Hell has the ability to create stronger Titans.
Because Atlans are more efficient. We can eat with our hands but we use forks because there more effective at helping us eat. It's plain and simple. What sounds more effect, An Army of foot soldiers capable of killing a giant? Or a giant mech that can kill multiple giants before actually falling. The Atlans don't discredit anything, They are just more effective when it comes to killing titans.
Yes it does. Atlans are an efficient way to kill titans more quickly. As I stated, Hell has the ability to create stronger Titans.
Because Atlans are more efficient. We can eat with our hands but we use forks because there more effective at helping us eat. It's plain and simple. What sounds more effect, An Army of foot soldiers capable of killing a giant? Or a giant mech that can kill multiple giants before actually falling. The Atlans don't discredit anything, They are just more effective when it comes to killing titans.
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I'm not saying you did
I'm saying the fact they use an energy source not referenced for Hell's other armies that comes from what is essentially a divine source in universe implies they're superior to the rank and file
That's not strictly true. Unless I'm missing something that excerpt makes no reference to the number of Sentinels killing Titans, only that they could kill them with steel and hammer. Secondly while the Atlans are devastating there's also no mention of them felling multiple Titans by themselves, even in that codex you provided talking about them felling Hell's horde
I'm saying the fact they use an energy source not referenced for Hell's other armies that comes from what is essentially a divine source in universe implies they're superior to the rank and file
That's not strictly true. Unless I'm missing something that excerpt makes no reference to the number of Sentinels killing Titans, only that they could kill them with steel and hammer. Secondly while the Atlans are devastating there's also no mention of them felling multiple Titans by themselves, even in that codex you provided talking about them felling Hell's horde
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Then I apologise for not elaborating further.
Most demons you encounter in Doom Have been Stated to use Hell energy. A large majority of the Doom 2016 codex have outright stated that even Fodder troops Like the Imp use hell energy. Hell energy is something demons or creatures from hell have access to
During the Age of the ancestral Titans the codex makes it Clear that there were tribes of Sentinels battling against the Ancestrals. While an exact number is not given, It's obvious that there were multiple sentinels standing up against the ancestrals during these battles.
"clergy and reinforcements, the Sentinels proved their worth in what would be their final war with the forces of all evil. Unrelenting power in the face of certain death, the Sentinels crushed hundreds of demons and skewered Titans. When their Atlans held no more fuel the Sentinels took to the ground and fought the swarms on land. All of Hell knew of the Betrayal, for it was without question the Maykrs and the Priests who had sowed the seeds of deceit long before the brave warriors passed through the gate. What Hell saw that day was the beating heart of the free people of Argent D'Nur; they did not flinch in the face of their own certain death. They died as they lived, with sword and shield in hand, Urdak too low a place to house such giants. Theirs would be the fate of warrior gods, remembered for all time."
This exact codex here outright stated that the Atlans would run out of power first, rather then be destroyed in combat and that they were used to slaughter multiple titans. Either Atlans were used to Kill multiple titans or when they ran out of energy, The Sentinels Fought Titans without there Atlans. So no matter how you look at it, It's pretty clear that a single Atlan can slaughter more them one Titan. That or Sentinels without Atlans can Slaughter Hell Titans, Once again proving that Altans are not needed, There just more practical and efficient at killing titans.
Most demons you encounter in Doom Have been Stated to use Hell energy. A large majority of the Doom 2016 codex have outright stated that even Fodder troops Like the Imp use hell energy. Hell energy is something demons or creatures from hell have access to
During the Age of the ancestral Titans the codex makes it Clear that there were tribes of Sentinels battling against the Ancestrals. While an exact number is not given, It's obvious that there were multiple sentinels standing up against the ancestrals during these battles.
"clergy and reinforcements, the Sentinels proved their worth in what would be their final war with the forces of all evil. Unrelenting power in the face of certain death, the Sentinels crushed hundreds of demons and skewered Titans. When their Atlans held no more fuel the Sentinels took to the ground and fought the swarms on land. All of Hell knew of the Betrayal, for it was without question the Maykrs and the Priests who had sowed the seeds of deceit long before the brave warriors passed through the gate. What Hell saw that day was the beating heart of the free people of Argent D'Nur; they did not flinch in the face of their own certain death. They died as they lived, with sword and shield in hand, Urdak too low a place to house such giants. Theirs would be the fate of warrior gods, remembered for all time."
This exact codex here outright stated that the Atlans would run out of power first, rather then be destroyed in combat and that they were used to slaughter multiple titans. Either Atlans were used to Kill multiple titans or when they ran out of energy, The Sentinels Fought Titans without there Atlans. So no matter how you look at it, It's pretty clear that a single Atlan can slaughter more them one Titan. That or Sentinels without Atlans can Slaughter Hell Titans, Once again proving that Altans are not needed, There just more practical and efficient at killing titans.
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So what would this mean in terms of scaling the night sentinels? Would they still be comparable to the barons?
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can we please just compromise
we have been at this for over a month now at this rate we'll never get anything done
at least 9-A possibly low-7C(has fought titans but unknown with what means)
can we please just go with this we all get the slayer we want and we can move on to greener pastures
we have been at this for over a month now at this rate we'll never get anything done
at least 9-A possibly low-7C(has fought titans but unknown with what means)
can we please just go with this we all get the slayer we want and we can move on to greener pastures
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Honestly I do agree that this particular subject is getting massively drawn out, this thread will go nowhere if we don't conclude it soon.
I personally am fine with:
I personally am fine with:
- Doomguy scaling to the Titans - Low 7-C
- Doomguy and the Argent Tower feat - 7-C
- The BFG9K scaling to the Ion Catapult (I'm not certain where we are with this so far so...)
- The Absorption feat
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Well we honestly don’t have much else to tackle. The only major one I can think off is doomguy’s acausality
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The makyrs are able to see all infinite possibilities past preset future across the 2-A multiverse but were not able to see that doomguy was going to be the one to destroy them. They knew a destroyer was coming but they didn’t know it was doomguy.
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Well I left an important point out, out of all infinite possible timelines doomguy destroying the makyrs was the only constant event across all of them.
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I agree too
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