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Doom Eternal Revision Thread Part 4
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@KieranH10
Both(and even before the arrival of the makyrs)
One more thing I’d like to add,shouldn’t the barges be superior to the Ion catapult?That would make them flat out 7-C.
Both(and even before the arrival of the makyrs)
One more thing I’d like to add,shouldn’t the barges be superior to the Ion catapult?That would make them flat out 7-C.
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Ok, so Doomguy pre divinity machine also scales above titans?
It is abundantly clear that only a Crucible blade can kill a Titan, we've seen that in almost every encounter with them, how would Sentinels deal with Titans before these blades were even created?
It is abundantly clear that only a Crucible blade can kill a Titan, we've seen that in almost every encounter with them, how would Sentinels deal with Titans before these blades were even created?
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That isn’t the case for all titans we have seen titans in hell without any crucibles placed in them still dead and the time when doomguy killed the champion Titan without the crucible. It’s only the dreadnaught and the icon of sin that have the resurrecting factor.
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Well it would make more sense as to why the marauders were made for the purpose of hunting down the slayer. It would also make sense why the super heavy demons are able to tank a low 7-C BFG. And why the icon of sin ended up being so powerful, it’s because he’s a Titan born from a high level sentinel warrior.
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I thought so too but the lore shows them fighting other sentinels in conjunction to the statement that they are “spilling their former brothers’ blood”
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Except the codex doesn’t mention marauders being stronger after resurrection
I say make them glass cannons.Have the low 7-C status only apply to high ranking sentinels (such as marauders).While giving them 9-A durability.
Except the codex doesn’t mention marauders being stronger after resurrection
I say make them glass cannons.Have the low 7-C status only apply to high ranking sentinels (such as marauders).While giving them 9-A durability.
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If the sentinels are able to take hits from the marauders that would mean low 7-C dura too.
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The codex doesn't have to mention it, that's literally what Hell does, it corrupts species making them part of its own army, weaponizing them.
The Sentinels have fought basic demons, which would also upgrade them to Low 7-C, eventually making the entire verse tier 7. Which clearly isn't the case.
The BFG shouldn't scale to Low 7-C for consistency issues, just like it shouldn't scale to the 10K for that same reason.
Sentinels shouldn't scale to Titans because it took entire armies of Sentinels to take them down, if the Atlans weren't needed, then why did they build them?
Which side is “spilling their former brothers’ blood” because if that's the Marauders spilling Sentinel blood, then that implies the Marauders were winning.
The Sentinels have fought basic demons, which would also upgrade them to Low 7-C, eventually making the entire verse tier 7. Which clearly isn't the case.
The BFG shouldn't scale to Low 7-C for consistency issues, just like it shouldn't scale to the 10K for that same reason.
Sentinels shouldn't scale to Titans because it took entire armies of Sentinels to take them down, if the Atlans weren't needed, then why did they build them?
Which side is “spilling their former brothers’ blood” because if that's the Marauders spilling Sentinel blood, then that implies the Marauders were winning.
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No that was directly referring to the sentinels here is the exact quote.
“The Night Sentinels prepare for war once again though this battle meant drawing the blood of their own brothers.”
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It’s actually pretty consistent the low 7-C marauders scale to the other super heavy demons and all super heavy demons can tank a BFG shot. The 10K doesn’t scale to the 9K because it’s just an enhanced version of the stated most power weapon in the UAC.
Mic explained already why they use the atlans and how it doesn’t change the fact that they still scale.
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my man in the codex we see an ilustration of the sentinal civil war and guess what most marauders where still human
and ageing we don't know how powerful the ansestral titans where for all we know they where far weaker then hell titans
seriusly saying that every sentinal is low 7-C is ludicruse it would make the whole damned verse low 7-C it wouldn't make any sense
hell in the we have the artbook stating that the icon of sin oblitirated the argent danur heretics
and ageing we don't know how powerful the ansestral titans where for all we know they where far weaker then hell titans
seriusly saying that every sentinal is low 7-C is ludicruse it would make the whole damned verse low 7-C it wouldn't make any sense
hell in the we have the artbook stating that the icon of sin oblitirated the argent danur heretics
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Read what Mic said, when the atlans ran out of power the Night Sentiels fought them on foot. The ancestral titans would scale to the hell titans because the hell titans came from the ancestral titans when hell conquered a part of argent d nur. They used the wraith/sentinel energy to beat the titans.
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We also have to take into account inconsistencies though. While one piece of evidence may elude to the Sentinels being Low 7-C, the implications of that would mean the whole verse falling into the tier, which simply isn't the case, we have demons that get annihilated by tier 9 attacks constantly, these demons fought against the Sentinels and harmed them.
Basically:
The demons are far more consistently tier 9 than the Sentinels are tier 7. So we should stick to the former.
Basically:
The demons are far more consistently tier 9 than the Sentinels are tier 7. So we should stick to the former.
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Here is the quote about the ancestral titans
“First came the Ancestrals, feral creatures invigorated by the magic of the Wraiths. They grew to enormous heights, mighty behemoths who waged war with each other for years untold. Their battles tore the land asunder and destroyed all creation caught in their wake. The Wraithcall continued to spread across the land and soon the Argenta emerged from the steppes, our souls stirred into form by the power of their breath.”
The quote says they tore the land around them apart in order to do that they would have to scale to the low 7-C size.
“First came the Ancestrals, feral creatures invigorated by the magic of the Wraiths. They grew to enormous heights, mighty behemoths who waged war with each other for years untold. Their battles tore the land asunder and destroyed all creation caught in their wake. The Wraithcall continued to spread across the land and soon the Argenta emerged from the steppes, our souls stirred into form by the power of their breath.”
The quote says they tore the land around them apart in order to do that they would have to scale to the low 7-C size.
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Again it would only scale to the select few number of sentinels that were empowered by the wraiths and scale to the hell titans as well. Not the whole race. There is a difference between the warrior group The Night Sentinels and the sentinel race. The night sentinels for the most part were stomping the demons.
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That's not what has been argued though, earlier no one refuted that Pre-Divinity machine Doomguy was gonna scale to this. Because there were Sentinels before the Divinity Machine was even used who could supposedly take on titans, and Doomguy was comparable. If OG Doomguy is scaling to Titans then I still disagree.
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consistency man consistency we woun't scale the sentinals to the titans for the same demand reason each other verse such as marvel doesn't have 200 2-C heros running around becasue its inconsistent such as the sentinals being physically comperable to titans
because that would mean that the doomguy even prior to training with them would be low 7-C as he knocked out a bunch of them in the blood arena
the barens of hell killed a bunch of em
and hell even regular demons pose threat to them
no matter how much you want them to be low 7-C it ain't happening
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the best you gona get is their weapons are low 7-C
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Again the only sentinels that would scale to the titans are the Night Sentinels not the regular sentinels. The barons killed the regular sentinels not the the Night Sentinels, the Night Sentinels Stomped regular demons and doomguy when he trained with them. And it was post reactive power level DG that trained with them.
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Adding to this
They were revived by the Divinity Machine with the one other instrance of this being Doomguy's amp
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No where in the codex does it mention them getting powered up,only resurrected.It would be a pretty important detail to leave out if it were the case
No where in the codex does it mention them getting powered up,only resurrected.It would be a pretty important detail to leave out if it were the case
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oh come on now we all know that what happens to humans when they get ressurected by hell they get a pretty massive amp
like honestly most soldiers can take a shot gun blast up close and keep on kicking
like honestly most soldiers can take a shot gun blast up close and keep on kicking
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@Sir_sun_man
First off,they are usually possessed rather than ressurected.Secondly that can be attributed to their armor
First off,they are usually possessed rather than ressurected.Secondly that can be attributed to their armor
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It's implication
If the only other instance of the Machine being used empowered someone significantly then it's not ridiculous to believe the Marauders might be stronger
It also ignores the other Hellish corrupted become stronger which should apply to the Marauders
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They could just be stronger due to them being high ranking night sentinels.Hugo talked about the Doomslayer and Marauders sharing a similar orange blob on their shoulder,which means they shared the same rank
Regular possessed taking point blank shotgun shells could be game mechanics,soldiers are tougher due to their armor
Regular possessed taking point blank shotgun shells could be game mechanics,soldiers are tougher due to their armor
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No I'm referring to them being stronger then in base, not them being stronger then the rank and file
If every instance of
1) People using the Divinity Machine leads to an amp
2) People being corrupted by Hell becoming more powerful
Then it's not a stretch to say the Marauders are stronger then the actual Sentinels
I'm also dodgy on scaling the Sentinels to the Titans still for Kieran's reasons.
If every instance of
1) People using the Divinity Machine leads to an amp
2) People being corrupted by Hell becoming more powerful
Then it's not a stretch to say the Marauders are stronger then the actual Sentinels
I'm also dodgy on scaling the Sentinels to the Titans still for Kieran's reasons.
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@Hellbeast
Which was one guy,that being the doomslayer
I’ll need a source on that one,as far as I remember that’s never mentioned in the codex.
I mean considering they are of higher rank fine.However the divinity machine didn’t grant them such a power and they have been stated to fight on par before.
Scaling sentinels to low 7-C would be ridiculous.However downscaling this from that into a lower tier would be reasonable,considering armies without mechs can kill them.Especially since they would aim for weak points.
Which was one guy,that being the doomslayer
I’ll need a source on that one,as far as I remember that’s never mentioned in the codex.
I mean considering they are of higher rank fine.However the divinity machine didn’t grant them such a power and they have been stated to fight on par before.
Scaling sentinels to low 7-C would be ridiculous.However downscaling this from that into a lower tier would be reasonable,considering armies without mechs can kill them.Especially since they would aim for weak points.
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I suggest giving a possibly 8-A,high end 8-B rating for the marauder/high ranking sentinels.The rating would only apply to AP of their weaponry and should not scale to durability.Especially since even in gameplay the Marauders cannot take a BFG shot.The foot soldiers can maintain their 9-A status in both AP and dura.
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Yes but they don’t physically scale to the barges to such an extent.It’s likely they aimed for weak points on the titans rather than just physically overwhelm them.
When they fight,it’s likely they just sort of 1 shot each other and is more a duel of skill rather than endurance when fighting with argent blades.
When they fight,it’s likely they just sort of 1 shot each other and is more a duel of skill rather than endurance when fighting with argent blades.
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