Doom Eternal Revision Thread Part 4

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

Finally,moving on from Acausality and Doomslayer tiering.

Can someone calc the Doomslayer being able to flash freeze the Tyrant.It’s size could give some Tier 8 stuff.

Secondly,the Doomslayer needs his Post-Training key.Not only does become 9-A physically,but becomes even more skilled then before,gains acrobatics with his meathook.He also gains the most important weapon of all,the crucible.

 

[Hellbeast]

I'm pretty against having Slayer's Training key. Gou doesn't seem to have many canonical feats and this is before his canonical power boost with the Divinity Machine

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

Yes but he gains some different weaponry and abilities

Ballista (part of the sentinel weaponry,gains extreme heat manipulation)
Updated SSG(meathook that would grant him acrobatics)
Much better skill(on par with other sentinels and human marauders)
The crucible(along with whatever ability it has)

 

[DTG499]

Since he scales to the sentinels in post argent d nur training that would mean he would have some pretty good reactive power level going from 9-B to low 7-C, possibly of course.

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

from 9-B to low 7-C

Hold up,it took armies to take down the titans for the sentinels no?

 

[DTG499]

Hold up,it took armies to take down the titans for the sentinels no?

They didn’t specify, the implication is that it was a team of sentinels vs a team of titans.

 

[DTG499]

Also what is the icon of sin’s tier now? Because he’s a titan too, low 7-C or 7-C?

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

Probably 7-C,it’s implied he was possibly the slayer’s equal

 

[Sir_sun_man]

ok good
and yeah type 1 accusality seems fine

 

[Sir_sun_man]

also the crucible is a doomslayer only thing it was stated that after the seraphim imbude him with the power of the divinity machine he took the crucible and activated it something only warrior kings of the sentinals could do before hand
so if we do make a sentinal doom guy key he wouldn't have the crucible

 

[Sir_sun_man]

They didn’t specify, the implication is that it was a team of sentinels vs a team of titans.

where was this stated?

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

@Sir_sun_man

Maybe not the crucible crucible,but it’s still an energy sword similar to the night sentinels had

 

[Sir_sun_man]

well it would just be an energy weapon so basicly a light saber which is neet but not really worth a mention
might put it into the equipment but other then that its more a foot note then anything
he also had a regular sword

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

So low 7-C pre divinity machine doomguy

Something sort of rubs me a weird way about this,I don’t think in this key he should be that durable.I’m pretty sure if a Titan did get a hit of a sentinel,he would die instantly.

Aka:He should be a glass cannon

 

[Sir_sun_man]

eh he'd only be low 7C with weapons at best

 

[DTG499]

where was this stated?

The statement was the sentinels fought against the ancestral titans, so multiple against multiple. That’s all we have to go off of.

 

[DTG499]

eh he'd only be low 7C with weapons at best

Weapons?

 

[Sir_sun_man]

we don't know how powerful the ancestral titans where and we know for a fact that a single hell titan was able absolutely beat the shit out of a full city of sentinals

 

[DTG499]

So low 7-C pre divinity machine doomguy

Something sort of rubs me a weird way about this,I don’t think in this key he should be that durable.I’m pretty sure if a Titan did get a hit of a sentinel,he would die instantly.

Aka:He should be a glass cannon

I mean dlc 2 will show us the level he actually got put to. But until then.....

 

[Sir_sun_man]

the sentinal training doom guy doesn't really have the feats or implications to be that powerful

 

[DTG499]

we don't know how powerful the ancestral titans where and we know for a fact that a single hell titan was able absolutely beat the shit out of a full city of sentinals

It was a unique titan called the dread naught, the sentinels were able to deal with regular hell titans.

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

@Sir_sun_man

But he is comparable to them,since he was regarded as the best in their ranks.Second only to the Warrior kings

 

[Sir_sun_man]

yes but ageing just saying that the doom guy is as strong as a titan prior to his buff is a bit ludicrus like come on we are talking the sentinal armies powered by the wraiths(which was the main way they beat the ancestral titans) vs the titans its not a 1v1 fight here so a single sentinal wouldn't scale to a full blown titan it wouldn't make sense and while yes the dreadnaught titan was some what special he wasn't too disimalar from the regular titans(hell we see him laying incompasitated in teras nabad and he look identical to every other titan we have seen before hand) for all we know he was simply a war titan a some what stronger and battle hardend titan and we know for a fact that the doom guy was able to kill it only after he recived the boost
my take on sentinal trained doom guy would be
Ap: 9-A( supirior to sentinals who are capable of taking down barons of hell)
speed: super sonic+(faster then before)
dura: 9-A(can fight sentinal warriors hand to hand and withstand their attacks)

 

[DTG499]

This exact codex here outright stated that the Atlans would run out of power first, rather then be destroyed in combat and that they were used to slaughter multiple titans. Either Atlans were used to Kill multiple titans or when they ran out of energy, The Sentinels Fought Titans without there Atlans. So no matter how you look at it, It's pretty clear that a single Atlan can slaughter more them one Titan. That or Sentinels without Atlans can Slaughter Hell Titans, Once again proving that Altans are not needed, There just more practical and efficient at killing titans.

This

 

[DTG499]

The sentinels had access to the atlans at the time of the dreadnaught invasion and they still couldn’t beat it. So the dreadnaught is far more powerful than regular titans even if they look the same.

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

Alright

I’m still against him scaling to his AP(low 7-C)pre divinity machine.Idk if a sentinel could even take a hit from a Titan and survive

 

[DTG499]

Alright

I’m still against him scaling to his AP(low 7-C)pre divinity machine.Idk if a sentinel could even take a hit from a Titan and survive

They have enough AP to kill a titan so that would translate to durability because they fought their demon counter parts in the later years of the war. You know the marauders vs the night sentinels.

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

ehhhhh

****.I can’t hold my 9-A battles now.

 

[KieranH10]

Wait what's the evidence of Sentinels being comparable to Titans?

 

[DTG499]

What mic said above

 

[DTG499]

Then I apologise for not elaborating further.

Most demons you encounter in Doom Have been Stated to use Hell energy. A large majority of the Doom 2016 codex have outright stated that even Fodder troops Like the Imp use hell energy. Hell energy is something demons or creatures from hell have access to

During the Age of the ancestral Titans the codex makes it Clear that there were tribes of Sentinels battling against the Ancestrals. While an exact number is not given, It's obvious that there were multiple sentinels standing up against the ancestrals during these battles.

"clergy and reinforcements, the Sentinels proved their worth in what would be their final war with the forces of all evil. Unrelenting power in the face of certain death, the Sentinels crushed hundreds of demons and skewered Titans. When their Atlans held no more fuel the Sentinels took to the ground and fought the swarms on land. All of Hell knew of the Betrayal, for it was without question the Maykrs and the Priests who had sowed the seeds of deceit long before the brave warriors passed through the gate. What Hell saw that day was the beating heart of the free people of Argent D'Nur; they did not flinch in the face of their own certain death. They died as they lived, with sword and shield in hand, Urdak too low a place to house such giants. Theirs would be the fate of warrior gods, remembered for all time."

This exact codex here outright stated that the Atlans would run out of power first, rather then be destroyed in combat and that they were used to slaughter multiple titans. Either Atlans were used to Kill multiple titans or when they ran out of energy, The Sentinels Fought Titans without there Atlans. So no matter how you look at it, It's pretty clear that a single Atlan can slaughter more them one Titan. That or Sentinels without Atlans can Slaughter Hell Titans, Once again proving that Altans are not needed, There just more practical and efficient at killing titans.

This

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

bruh

Maybe they held back against each other/ held duels in which they can 1 shot one or the other.

I really doubt an average sentienl is low 7-C durability.Especially since the game presents them being torn apart by the average demon

 

[KieranH10]

That just sounds like the Sentinels used the Atlans to take on Titans, then the Atlans ran out of fuel, and the Sentinels died...

I'll agree an Atlan is probably capable of taking on a couple Titans, but the Sentinels lost their fight, they were wiped out by Hell. Assuming one sentinel can take on a Titan is ridiculous, since in other evidence we've seen them struggle against Barons.

 

[DTG499]

bruh

Maybe they held back against each other/ held duels in which they can 1 shot one or the other.

I really doubt an average sentienl is low 7-C durability.Especially since the game presents them being torn apart by the average demon

Well the battle i was talking about is when a portion of the sentinels turned into demons and started killing each other.

 

[DTG499]

Both the ancestralsTitans and the Sentinels are powered by the same wraith energy. In the Codex it was stated that the night Sentinels used swords made of metal heavily implying that they did not have access to the atlans. Not only that but the story of The ancestral Titans take place long before the sentinels ever meet the Maykrs and begin becoming a more technological race.

The fact that they fought titans before the coming of the atlans is the main point of evidence for them scaling to them.

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

@KieranH10

I believe it was armies of sentinels that were capable of doing so.Not a singular one.

There is some evidence of them being slightly comparable,since the one of the sentinels called “Roan the Mighty” actually ran out of battery for his atlan before facing another.He slew it through unknown means and planted a flag in its head.

 

[KieranH10]

That would upgrade almost the entire verse to tier 7 and imply that basic demons are comparable to Titans.

Sentinels should not scale to Titans physically, their weapons can I guess, but not the Sentinels themselves.

 

[DTG499]

Well the statement was that the sentinels went up against the titans. It’s plural when referring to both of them. They are both powered by the wraith energy so the reasoning is sound.

They also weren’t struggling against the barons they were shown to be taking multiple barons on at once.

Also the barons scale to BFG which has the potential to be low 7-C as well.

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

That would upgrade almost the entire verse to tier 7 and imply that basic demons are comparable to Titans.

Sentinels should not scale to Titans physically, their weapons can I guess, but not the Sentinels themselves.

This 100%

 

[DTG499]

That would upgrade almost the entire verse to tier 7 and imply that basic demons are comparable to Titans.

Sentinels should not scale to Titans physically, their weapons can I guess, but not the Sentinels themselves.

It wouldn’t scale to the whole race of sentinels just that specific group of high level warriors. The ones that fought the titans along side doomguy.

They only had basic metal weapons at the time because it was before the time of makyr technology