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Doom Eternal Revision Thread Part 4

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Sir_sun_man said:
360-380 feet (that titan was no meligog)
plus hell can teleport beings in and out of dimensions so it might have teleproted in and pulvorized a good portion of the city killing dozens of night sentinals or it might have been a titan in the lines of champion titan or icon that could use magic and summon faster then sound fire balls or summon meteors out of obit like the icon
also we don't actually know how the absorption works in doom we know it makes doomslayer stronger but by how much? Say in prototype for example another verse that uses absorption and it is said that everything you absorb makes you stronger and we still don't use absorption in such a way were it stack onto the charaters power directly(or the verse would be at least high 8C instead of 8C) there it is an unidentified amount strength gained through absorption much like in doom
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Splitting hairs on the size of them.

We have no reason the think that the titans can use fire ball magic like the icon of sin.

Since you brought up the fact that it’s only 380 feet tall, the titan pulverizing the area it was teleported to would not be enough to kill every single sentinel in agent d’nur. Regardless the statement is that they did battle with the titan so an instant clap via teleport cannot be assumed.

We do know how the absorption works, he gets stronger from the energy. Again I am asking WHY do we assume that he doesn’t get the full amount of energy from it. You guys just keep saying it doesn’t work like that but you aren’t telling me why it doesn’t work like what doom is telling us.
 
DTG499 said:
We do know how the absorption works, he gets stronger from the energy. Again I am asking WHY do we assume that he doesn’t get the full amount of energy from it. You guys just keep saying it doesn’t work like that but you aren’t telling me why it doesn’t work like what doom is telling us.
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we know that it makes him stronger i said that, the problem is we don't know if it works like stacking power it might not be giving him the the full low-7C levels of abilitie. The absorption gives him a boost sure but does it give him the ability to constatly be at that level? we just don't know and if we where to assume that then every demon that he killed throughout the eons would get him up to something like 6-C as he would be stacking their power on top of his which is unlikely to be the case
 
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Sir_sun_man said:
we know that it makes him stronger i said that, the problem is we don't know if it works like stacking power it might not be giving him the the full low-7C levels of abilitie. The absorption gives him a boost sure but does it give him the ability to constatly be at that level? we just don't know and if we where to assume that then every demon that he killed throughout the eons would get him up to something like 6-C as he would be stacking their power on top of his which is unlikely to be the case
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Why wouldn’t it be the case? Claiming that we don’t know isn’t a good enough reason. The amount of demons he killed is an unquantifiable number so we would be able to use that but the low 7-C titan and 7-C argent cell can be used and the argent tower dura feat to back them up.

it’s funny that you would mention 6-C because we actually have a 6-C calc in doom eternal. But that’s for another argument.
 
DTG499 said:
ok I’m just asking why the level of power increase wouldn’t be equal to the energy he is absorbing. There must be a good reason. It isn’t unquantifiable either we know the argent cell is 7-C. Why is the default assumption that he is only using a little bit of the energy or not at all?

A surprise attack from a 5000 foot tall titan.......OK BUD. These are battle hardened warriors that fought the hordes of demons with doomguy a surprise attack is not possible at all. Look if the titans are moving a slow as you say they are the sentinels would literally have enough time to go make some coffee, drink it and piss it out before the titan lands his punch on them.
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1? Because ythe alternative is unreliable

2) I mean you could just show me evidence od them going Supersonic but the fact yiu seemingly cannot proves my point
 
Hellbeast said:
1? Because ythe alternative is unreliable

that 2) I mean you could just show me evidence od them going Supersonic but the fact yiu seemingly cannot proves my point
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1)why is it unreliable? The statements are clear. He becomes stronger and we have calcs for how much energy he is absorbing
2) I have already, the titans have fought doomguy and they fought the night sentinels. Your reasons for why they don’t scale are implausible head canon scenarios. They scale to their speeds and all other reasons to assume that they don’t is just silliness, like your surprise attack reason. I mean come on now, a surprise attack from something that big?!
 
I'm starting to think you ren't actually hearing me

1 Ok, show me where those statements show how he's growing EXACTLY as strong as the Energy's absorbing and why we should do this when we don't do this for any other verse

2 Yes by unquantifiable means since they don't ever get shown fighting Sentinels or Slayer

Stop the wank
 
Hellbeast said:
I'm starting to think you ren't actually hearing me

1 Ok, show me where those statements show how he's growing EXACTLY as strong as the Energy's absorbing and why we should do this when we don't do this for any other verse

2 Yes by unquantifiable means since they don't ever get shown fighting Sentinels or Slayer

Stop the wank
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1) The lore states that he gets stronger when he absorbs argent energy from demons, then Samuel Hayden proceeds to get him an argent cell to help him out. So that’s one point in favor to him scaling to the absorption, where as there is zero evidence supporting your claim that he doesn’t scale to it. Explain why the default assumption is that he doesn’t scale to the argent energy absorption.


2) the historical events of the lore dictate that the titans fought against doomguy and the sentinels. So they have no reason not to scale to their speed. Again why wouldn’t they.

Your arguments make no sense and are riding on your baseless assumptions of how the events could have happens instead of how they actually happened.
 
1) Not how this works

Prove to me why he absorbs it's full power and not just an unquantifiable portion of it

You can't because there is no such statement

2) There's no reason to scale to them

We know they fought but we have no idea if they even scale and your insistence is irritating

"Oh but you're assuming they don't"

Yes because the lore is vague as **** and is the whole reason Doom as a whole is wanked into the stratosphere. You don't have statements of Titans being supersonic because they don't exist and you're assuming the highest possible interpretation and providing no evidence to prove said interpretation as valid

The thread is 6 pages long solely because you do this and honestly I'm not the only one tired of it

Provide explicit proof of something and you'll be taken seriously, otherwise you're just saying shit without meaning
 
So uhh you all probably have discussed the Ancient Gods DLC in the last few weeks already but I just finished it today and this is what I have to say:
Facing two Marauders at once and or a Marauder buffed with a Buff Totem filled me with more fear then anything else the DLC provided. Which as a whole was fantastic, especially the soundtrack by David Levy and Andrew Hulshult who definitely bring their own flavor to the table in terms of DOOM music but it definitely is comparable to Mick Gordon's music.
 
Yeah I really like the new composers, different style but it's fun

Also **** the buffed Marauder haha
 
Were the possessed really that bad to some? I always made sure to have abundant plasma ammo and made sure to focus on it first lest I get an early ticket to literal hell
 
Though one thing that kinda bothered me is the fact they had The Seraphim betray The Slayer again after the same shit happened in DOOM 2016. Now yes I am very well aware that it is explicitly stated that he had been slowly corrupted by the demonic influence on Urdak which we do see fully in the boss fight, but it's like come on can we at least have one character who's all for wanting to save humanity for once? Though I will say, though hinted it was a genuine surprise to find out that VEGA was in fact The Father itself
 
Hellbeast said:
1) Not how this works

Prove to me why he absorbs it's full power and not just an unquantifiable portion of it

You can't because there is no such statement

2) There's no reason to scale to them

We know they fought but we have no idea if they even scale and your insistence is irritating

"Oh but you're assuming they don't"

Yes because the lore is vague as ****
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1) you are avoiding the question, why is the default assumption that he absorbs just a portion of the energy and not the full amount.

2)the titans would have never hit the night sentinels if they moved as slow as you provided. Your reasons for how that would work are ridiculous, so you framed up this idea that a slower than a regular human 400 foot tall titan would be able to surprise attack an entire brigade of supersonic battle hardened night sentinels. Come on now, I get you really want to downplay doom but try a little harder with your reasonings

3)vague lore statements is better than the alternative you have provided thus far, which are essentially made up scenarios

The only reasons people have been giving for why don’t take the lore for what it is have been completely improbable made up events.
 
Hellbeast is not doing a very good job explaining this. Would someone who agrees with him try and explain what I’m saying won’t work. Preferably a mod or admin.
 
Something I would like to bring up, The Dreadnaught Titan isn't the first exposure to Titans that the Sentinels had. Before Hell or The Slayer, The Sentinels had to fight the Ancestral Titans who just like them were enhanced by Wraith Energy.
 
The only information I can give on Speed for Titans is that in Order for the Dreadnaught to surprise attack or tag and Slaughter Sentinels troops, The Dreadnaught would have to be Superior to the Ancestrals Titans who had access to the same energy as the Sentinels did. There's Also the fact that the Dreadnaught is fighting against a more advance/experienced version of the Sentinels and not even multiple ancestral Titans could stand against the Sentinels in there early inexperienced years.
 
DTG499 said:
1) you are avoiding the question, why is the default assumption that he absorbs just a portion of the energy and not the full amount.

2)the titans would have never hit the night sentinels if they moved as slow as you provided. Your reasons for how that would work are ridiculous, so you framed up this idea that a slower than a regular human 400 foot tall titan would be able to surprise attack an entire brigade of supersonic battle hardened night sentinels. Come on now, I get you really want to downplay doom but try a little harder with your reasonings

3)vague lore statements is better than the alternative you have provided thus far, which are essentially made up scenarios

The only reasons people have been giving for why don’t take the lore for what it is have been completely improbable made up events.
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1) Because we typically don't scale characters to the full yield of their given power source on the wiki so, until evidence to the contrary, we don't just assume a character is fully multiplied based on absorbing something
Especially in this case when it's just vaguely "X character gets stronger" without any quantification or time frame at all

2) And your assessment it would is equally ridiculous

You're assuming the most liberal interpretation based on this obscure codex to make the seemingly lumbering Titans Supersonic speedsters despite the fact this is never seen or implied in either the games or lore entries to the franchise.

The reality is we don't know how this Titan killed the Sentinels considering the codex is so damn vague about this. Which is a running theme here in these revisions

I get you want to wank Doom to Tier 1 but try harder (See I can be snide too)

3) I'm not making up scenarios here for the fun of it. I'm pointing out there's any number of possible ways' or methods this and many other feats could have occurred without any strong specification either way.

People don't have issues with it being made up (Except Matt seemingly)

The issue is the lore is so damn non descript half the time that there's nothing concrete about half these feats.
The Codex and Testaments just acknowledge they happened without actually providing any information on how they happened which leads to assumptions, which in turn, is the issue with stuff like the Titan

It doesn't help that a lot of the weird assumptions we've accepted for so long don't actually go with what we see of Slayer and co not just in the game itself but the lore as a whole

How is he scaling to an 8-A character by himself when he has no other reliable feat near this even after he's canonically grown in strength and then getting oneshot by a falling building?

Why are the Titans several thousand times faster then they are everywhere else?

Its not out of downplay that I do this, I do this out of the fact that there's no specifics so assuming the highest possible interpretation is dishonest as hell

You could argue PIS but it doesn't look that way when the actual, quantifiable feats don't paint this interpretation
 
Firestorm is right, I made a small mistake in the calc which has been pointed out. I'll be fixing it soon.
 
ageing i say we compromise you fellas just keep beating the same points over the head time and time ageing

lets just say
titans
AP: small town level(kieranH10 new calc)
speed: subconic movement speed( due to sheer size) subsonic reaction and combat speed/possibly supersonic reaction and combat speed(capable of fighting sentinals warriors although its unknown by what means)
doom slayer
Ap: at least small building level(can easily tear apart demons such as the barons of hell and the cyber demons) possibly/likely small town level(implied to have fought and harmed titans with his fists alone) small town level with crucible

how about that? everyone wins the lore is vague as shit and we can't tell one way or another so untill future notice(the dlc) lets just compremise
 
ThisThingisReallyBroken said:
I like that.My only issue is that the 9-A calc we do have is somehow lower than OG Doomguy’s AP.

But better question is what the hell is going on with the crucible? Is it sealing or immortality negating?
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we'll just say that his far stronger then the OG in the at least 9-A part
sealing and immortality nagating technically as it seals a titans soul and stops them from coming back so its technically doing both things at once
 

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What do you guys think of the legitimacy of this statement of Urdak? The Slayers Club on the Bethesda website states that Urdak and Hell are two planes of existence which exist outside the universe and function as higher and lowers forms of reality, though I'm pretty sure that no one except for The Father scales to this. Though I could be wrong because I've had yet to extensively read the lore in DOOM Eternal and Ancient Gods.
 
Also,are we going to scale the SSG to the slayer anytime soon?His new SSG seems to have maykr runes and enchantments added to it.Cutscenes also make it a pretty important part of his arsenal.
 
And hellbeast just keeps saying over and over again this is how we do it and never explains why we do it. I’m convinced he doesn’t have an answer and that he is just parroting what an admin or mod told him. So I would like one of them to explain it properly to me.

I am simply asking questions at this point.
 
MicDaniel said:
The only information I can give on Speed for Titans is that in Order for the Dreadnaught to surprise attack or tag and Slaughter Sentinels troops, The Dreadnaught would have to be Superior to the Ancestrals Titans who had access to the same energy as the Sentinels did. There's Also the fact that the Dreadnaught is fighting against a more advance/experienced version of the Sentinels and not even multiple ancestral Titans could stand against the Sentinels in there early inexperienced years.
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Also this
 
MicDaniel said:
Something I would like to bring up, The Dreadnaught Titan isn't the first exposure to Titans that the Sentinels had. Before Hell or The Slayer, The Sentinels had to fight the Ancestral Titans who just like them were enhanced by Wraith Energy.
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And this
 
People are just adding their own extra parts to the story instead of just using what is clearly stated, regardless of it being vague.
 
we don't assume a vague absorption add an exact level of power onto a charater because it unbalances a verse hell look at prototype we had em at 7C due to absorpion when their best feats ranged from 8-C to 8B
see the issue?
 
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