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Doctor Who (Hopefully Final) Revisions

Because it's just traveling to alternate universes. If it were High 1-C, it'd probably be able to bypass dimensional walls.
 
No, dimensional walls means the walls between alternate dimensions. They tell you this in Army of Ghosts, where the Daleks' Void Ship explicitly has the ability to punch through dimensional walls into the Void (which should be Low Complex Multiverse level, and I'll give proof on this later).

That's just the Time Vortex, meaning Low 1-C range.
 
I meant the Six-Fold thing, sorry.

Probably the only Low 2-C character was Kronos (maybe a couple others), and he was portrayed as far, far superior to the TARDIS, if not Sixth-Dimensional.
 
White guardian, black guardian, and arguably Sutekh were all Low 2-C from the start, as was the key to time. Then Fenric and the carnival queen showed up...

Also aren't eternals FROM the six fold realm? Because the TARDIS could travel to where they live just fine
 
The latter two are featless, and all of them have feats in the new Doctor Who canon. Omega doesn't, not even in his audios.

The Eternals May be from the Six-Fold Realm, but they live in the Time Vortex.
 
The carnival queen definitely isn't featless

Also still, couldn't it fight a quantum archangel, who can travel across 11 dimensions And whose profile sucks
 
I was talking about the Guardians, I meant former two. Sorry.

She was robbed of her computational powers due to the Mad Mind's death beforehand, and didn't travel at all during the fight. At most, it'd translate to speed.
 
BTW

Concept manip was removed from the TARDIS but we still consider the TARDIS above the guardians

Uh

I personally feel like we should consider the guardians above since the only time the doctor beat one with a TARDIS was when he had the key but

I feel like either the TARDIS should have kept it or the guardians should be considered above
 
AP wise. It has no conceptual manipulation and has never been portrayed that way.

He didn't, he blocked one out. The Key to Time doesn't scale to the TARDIS, he's never used the two together.
 
"The key to time doesent scale to the TARDIS"

Exactly, the key is above

Personally I think we should consider the TARDIS above most god tiers but below the guardians, since both the Toymaker and black guardian have ****** over the TARDIS.
 
Sorry, I thought you said it has conceptual manipulation.

It still scales with Spatial Manipulation and durability, it was unshielded against the former, and virtually drained of power in Enlightenment (if that's what you're referring to). Also, note that the spatial manipulation was while joined and working in concert with The Master's War TARDIS, which was upgraded due to The Quantum Archangel's history.
 
BTW, if the carnival queen isn't an elder god, what exactly IS she?

Should she be listed as like "Entity former out time lords souls mixed together"? And if so she should be under the aliens category
 
How's "Time Lord personification of irrationality"? There's also this from The Death of Art.

  • Even the Carnival Queen had fitted into science somehow; if only as a personification of a potential Kuhn Paradigm shift in the way the consciousness of observers was collapsing mixed-state events.
I don't know what it means or why it's so badly written (seems to be a staple of 90s Virgin Novels).

More like Abstract and Cosmic Entity.
 
She has a physical form, IIRC, that can manifest in the universe, but can also create smaller manifestations. Type 2 makes the most sense.

Do correct me if I'm wrong, though, because I couldn't sit through that novel.

Edit: She implies she can manifest in the universe while it's rational, but it's easier with an invitation.

  • ― But I could never venture out into the rational universe. Not without an invitation. That's what I have to thank Marielle for, Christopher. Chris. I have my avatar. I have all I need.
 
Wait hold on

Uh

Why does it say the gods of ragnarok are former guardians of time?

First off, where is that from?

Second of all, that makes no sense.
 
I responded to this before, no idea why the wiki just gobbled it up.

Just durability/resistance.

Affecting a conceptual being doesn't always mean conceptual manipulation. The Beast has a physical form, and it's clear that destroying him wouldn't just remove the concept of evil.

No idea. They're just Elder Gods and former Time Lords.
 
According to The Doctor and Rassilon, all the Elder Gods were the equivalent of the Time Lords in the Pre-universe. I should've worded that better.
 
Also, should the doctor be listed as half human? The eight doctor was revealed to be but Fan told me this was retconned but I couldn't find evidence it was
 
Oh, the master should have subjective reality and scale to the doctors TARDIS via this

DOCTOR: No point fighting when we're completely outclassed, is there? MASTER: I don't know what you think you're playing at, Doctors, but you're right. You cannot succeed. Not when your Tardis is about to cease ever to have existed. DOCTOR 4: Well, quite. MASTER: And if it never existed, it could never have left Gallifrey. You will never have meddled in the affairs of others, because that Tardis you stole wouldn't have been there at the precise moment when you made the decision to run. Because it was a rash decision, wasn't it, Doctor? Hmm? A decision from a lowly bookworm who dared to dream of another life beyond the cloisters of his home world. An impulse to act that would have faded away if that Tardis had not been there, waiting for you at that precise moment. DOCTOR 4: And finding a weapon that could do that? Well, it's what one might call a Master-stroke. Isn't it, Doctor? DOCTOR: Yes. Oh, yes. A weapon that powerful couldn't have been easy to control. MASTER: Oh, it wasn't a question of power. Just a single thought from a primitive human mind that would find the very existence of a Tardis impossible. That was all that was needed to trigger it. BOB [OC]: This, this is impossible! DOCTOR 4: A single human mind. Ingenious. Ingenious. DOCTOR: A device that could transmute a single thought into a reality. MASTER: The Vess call it a Conceptual Bomb. DOCTOR 4: Clever fellows. Clever fellows.
 
ZacharyGrossman273 said:
He probably means in the sense they had control over everything.

Also so can I add resistance to power null now?
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That's why I said equivalent.

I thought you said power null, not resistance to it. The Doctor's TARDIS only has power null with the Eye of Horus, which works on Sutekh. The other was actually a crystal from his pocket (idk if he got it from the TARDIS) that worked on far less powerful beings.

The half-human thing was thrown around a tad, but it's been almost entirely retconned. Many sources also state that he was born out of a Gallifreyan loom, and most just say he's a full Time Lord—organically born or not. They even say the exact method of birth is unknown (with many birth certificates existing) in one story. He's factually a Time Lord, though.

The context there is that he erased The Doctor's TARDIS from history with a conceptual bomb, IIRC.
 
The Toymaker already has power null. Idk if the other elder gods power null anyone, but wouldn't surprise me.

Also, is there any evidence the eye of Horus is specifically anti-osirian and doesent work on others? It's original appearance in pyramids of mars implied it was capable of effecting others
 
We shouldn't assume it'd work on the Guardians, since they're nothing like the Elder Gods, and it's no longer on the TARDIS after its Destruction. Where? And if so, is it Osiran only?

Edit: It wasn't destroyed, but we don't see it afterwards. So we shouldn't assume The Doctor still has it.
 
That comic doesent mention the guardia

I know the TARDIS can't effect guardians, that was my point.

Sutekh himself planned on using the eye of Horus himself and against the doctor

It not being in the TARDIS anymore is a fair point, but the TARDIS has power null even without it due to the eternals thing
 
I was talking about the Eye.

I'd like evidence, please.

I already explained that.

You have yet to prove it could affect the Elder Gods, let alone people vastly above them.
 
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