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Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness (Spoilers inbound)
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hax, and she breaks out of it pretty fast while he couldn't do that without a teleporty ring
she's a glass cannon and overpowers the spell with ease, it just had a component she didn't expect
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Strange, Wong who's comparable to Strange and like forty people trained by them get wiped out by Wanda in seconds and straight-up realize they have no chance even before that, and that's a Wanda who's holding back. I don't doubt that Strange's knowledge of magic is equal or superior to Wanda's, but I think it's ignoring context to say that he's anywhere near her in power.
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It's just frustrating that after all these movies we still haven't got a quantifiable tiering level for Strange or sorcerers besides Wanda. I mean anything below Tier 7 would be a joke at this point and even 7 itself feels nerfed considering all he's done. 6-C just feels like it would be how strong he is by now, we just don't have the feats necessary to conclusively prove it (and if we do there's something else to contradict it!)
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I totally agree honestly, but at the same time I kinda like how the fights mostly focus on hax and glass cannons, feel that's more interesting. Still 8-A ain't too bad
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I've always loved Doctor Strange because with magic the stories can go anywhere you want and the fight scenes are always super creative and full of visually stunning feats. The only drawback is because it's all about hax and whatnot is that you can't conclude how strong or durable they really are. Maybe the next Doctor Strange movie (whenever that is) will give as a real answer.
Oh god 8-A? Say it ain't so!
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It's obvious he's superior to Wong, even though Wong is the Sorcerer Supreme Strange is vastly more skilled and versatile (again, the only reason he's not the Sorcerer Supreme is because of a technicality)
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Question, can we also give Wanda a "Varies" for her Magic/Powers same with what we're gonna do with the Sorcerers? I'm putting out this notion since I don't think Wanda is always outputting 7-A/6-C levels of power in her fights.
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that does make sense, however it's still darkhold vs darkhold and i have no issue with darkhold Strange being 6-C (in fact that explains why he couldn't just beat her still)
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That's be "at least 6-C" by a pretty big degree from her scaling chain
That's fine by me and yeah Wanda is even more impressive considering she stomped what's basically captain marvel with a weaker body being unable to draw out her scarlet witch abilities
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Technically that Wanda could have been as strong as her IW/EG self.
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It's very likely the thing is that self is just completely dwarfed by her wandavision self whose still dwarfed by her MoM self
Err or wait are you suggesting a key for the wanda she possessed by deamwalking sorry just got off work kinda slow rn
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Tbh Captain Marvel had to unlock her own powers gradually so we don't know for sure that this one's quite as strong, so I think we keep that scaling logic as secondary
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Fair enough considering as well this wasn't a karol variant so her journey with her abilities certainly could be different though it's still impressive nonetheless
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MoM Wanda > WV Wanda > IW/EG Wanda
We already know that IW/EG 616 Wanda could have easily killed Thanos if she wasn't trying to make Thanos suffer, which would make her stronger than 616 Capt. Marvel
Saying that MoM 616 Wanda stomping 838 Capt. Marvel through 838 Wanda is impressive, isn't quite right since we don't know how powerful either are.
For all we know 838 Capt. Marvel could be as strong as 616 Capt. Marvel, while 838 Wanda could have been as strong as 616 Wanda during IW/EG or WV.
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Nah this at least we literally specifically have confirmation from the WoG I sent the other Wanda is for sure weaker and doesn't have or can't use scarlet witch abilities so our wanda can't being out here full abilities that and for the fact that it's another body to begin with
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Yes and I'm only commenting to one specifc portion because the rest I don't have any contentions with since that's what me and armor just said
Did you read my post carefully?
I'm only specifically commenting on the 838 could be as strong as Wandavision wanda part lol don't take me commenting on it as dismissing or not reading what you sent
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You do realize that for the majority of WandaVision, Wanda was more or less still the same as her IW/EG self, with the only difference being the Hax she used, power wise she'd more or less be the same as IW/EG self.
It's only during finale in her fight with Agatha that she got a boost in her power due to her becoming an inexperienced Scarlet Witch.
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That's literally all I needed you to do, just elaborating and explaining what you were saying in the post better it'll have made it that much easier for me to understand how you were thinking about this.
Going by how we have her indexed currently Wanda's scarlet witch key is her throughout all of wandavision not her IW/EG self so without that elaboration from your perspective I think it's pretty reasonable my response is what it was.
That aside what you're saying is pretty obvious I just didn't know that's what you were trying to say
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If we put Strange to 6-C, would it be solely for a Darkhold key?
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Probably yeah
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Don’t worry guys, we’ll get better luck in doctor strange 3: back to the dark dimension
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probably until doc strange 3: strange harder you can just do "8-C, at least 8-A with magic, at least 6-C with the darkhold" or whatever the tiers will be, and make it optional equipment
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What's the reasoning for Darkhold Strange scaling relative to Scarlet Witch at her strongest again?
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How would you feel if Kevin Feige came out with a statement a month from now, saying that doctor strange’s return would be a 9 episode D+ series titled “Strange Tales” instead of a movie?
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By the way, how did Sinister Strange **** up his universe?
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Well he actually put up a decent fight, he knocks her around, overpowers some spells, restrains her for a bit, i think it works especially when you consider him controlling a body remotely makes his magic weaker than it'd be in person.
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Incursion.
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I put a notion of giving Wanda a Varies for her Magic similar to Strange since I doubt she's constantly outputting the same level of power she used against Thanos when she was Bloodlusted.
And during their final fight (Deadite Strange vs Scarlet Witch) Strange had the Cloak of Damned Souls which showcased Possession/Soul Manipulation and Energy Absorption
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I feel like Doctor Strange belongs on the big screen. His stories and powers probably wouldn't translate too well to small screen (lower budget and whatnot). Plus if I recall correctly BC's contract is due for at least one more solo film before it runs out, so we should get a Doctor Strange 3 at some point regardless.
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Strange is able to stall Dormammu for a bit with his raw power in Doctor Strange 3, how would you react
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That all only happens because the souls of the damned could somewhat "eat"/absorb Wanda Magic up to a certain point tho (and they were also trying to do the mind thing they did to Strange on Wanda, tho it didn't work), so i don't think him using the souls should be used scale him with the Darkhold to her at all since they are purely a hax thing that was specifically being used against her magic, it wasn't a matter of power from his part. All he did in that "fight" was pretty much to buy time to talk to America.
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BC stated he would continue to play Strange as long as the character would be interesting for him and he will have something to develop with him wich for now is the case so at the very least we'll probably have another movie and maybe appearences in other movies/series
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There's so much you can do with his character, so many stories to adapt, so many paths to take the character down and with BC at the helm it'll always be interesting to watch. I'd gladly watch a series and/or third movie as long as he takes the center stage and we get to see more of his awesome powers.
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Been pretty tired and I'm omw back to work lol so I haven't had a chance to add everything relevant but what's left to discuss or are we just adding the changes before the CRT
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Soon should be able to happen this weekend tbh
If we're finished here by Saturday I can make it after I get off work and get some sleep either that or someone else could make it when we finish here as long as it's detailed and formatted appropriately
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