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Think I know why Rick's equipment is listed as standart now lol
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Doctor Doom vs Rick
- Thread starter Maverick_Zero_X
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Sounds NLF-y
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Not when magic is literally shown to durability neg and has instances of attacking from the inside out, which I showed before
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I dont think he resists it either, but i just think those shields would prevent the portals from forming in the first place since it'd require manipulating his space.
ShionAH
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Dr. Doom watching the drunk, sleep deprived Rick snort some drugs before somehow keeping up with him in battle and intelligence
Anyways yeah Incon, call @Maverick_Zero_X so he can fix the op up
Anyways yeah Incon, call @Maverick_Zero_X so he can fix the op up
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That’s not the same thing what Rick does, no.
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Those were just examples of attacks occuring internally, spatial abilities are under the list of things the shields protect against. The point of that was to show the assumption of the shields not also protect the inside of Doom's body is incorrect, so yes
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Actually, wait a god damn minute. I'm re-reviewing the magic list and Doom can literally just keep fighting since High-Tier sorcerers can astra projection after death. Even under every assumption of his resistances failing the portals still aren't going to be a win-con since he can just decimate Rick after the fact!
Unkn0wnAether
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Incons are lame as hell. I'm gonna look into this more
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Not when there's still arguments to be madeLet it go brah
Eden_Warlock99
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This might make it a stomp.
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Dr. Doom can react to Silver Surfer who can think at a microseconds as stated by Detective_Blizzard
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Guys, speed is equalized-
Unkn0wnAether
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Okay I know we talked about how Rick uses his portal gun in character but how often has he used it as like. An actual weapon? His big wincon rn feels incredibly specific and I dont think he'd do it immediately given he has no prior knowledge of dooms forcefields
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Morgan Le Fay did it, Doom can do everything she can on a equal or greater level.
Astral Projections have a bunch of shit in em that prevents Rick from interacting with em + magic can counter sealing.
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He uses it sparingly, honestly he's more likely to try and hack the suit or use his own cybernetics first
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Dr. Doom: Good lord and I thought Deadpool was weird.Dr. Doom watching the drunk, sleep deprived Rick snort some drugs before somehow keeping up with him in battle and intelligence
Anyways yeah Incon, call @Maverick_Zero_X so he can fix the op up
Unkn0wnAether
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I do have a couple Doom wincons off the cuff (sleep and ice manip via stuff in his suit) which I do think are fairly likely options?
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Maybe but I don't know whether Rick resists those.
Unkn0wnAether
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He doesn't. Ik his cybernetics let him fight while unconscious but he has to activate that before going to sleep and even then unconscious rick fights in pure hands which doom would outdo due to fighting superior cqc fighters
ShionAH
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When he has nothing else (standart eqp) he always starts with that. Even going as far as spamming it (S1 Ep10)
Has he ever done in character?
Like? Rick should be able to interact
Ice Manip is a no no, Ricks cybernetics will melt it instantly, sleep manipulation could work but if Rick gets a chance he can use his cybernetics to keep fighting while asleep. Sleep would probably work though
Btw technically Space Cruiser is here too, can Doom survive Tier 4 Blast to the face? Does his forcefields extend to that range
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His magic forcefields have up to tier 3 durability, and he's more liberal using magic for defense than offense.
Seems like Doom can incap but could also be portal haxxed.
(Also just revisited Rick's profile, that concept hax is crazy busted lol)
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Genuinely, why do you keep saying Standart instead of Standard? Also Rick does have other things as his always has his blasters and cybernetics which are used far more often.
Doom doesn't die frequently, but there's no reason he wouldn't in a fight he desires to win since by SBA he won't just willingly give up
There is nothing he has that let's him interact with non-existent nature types 1, 2, and 3 that are also Type 1 Abstract
The cybernetic needs to actually leave Rick's body to fire which wouldn't work if frozen solid
ShionAH
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Yeah its really an incon, both are smart enough to not play around and both have instant wins
Wait elabarote I never saw it as that insane
Its not my main language.
Actually not really, he mostly uses those against those who are significantly weaker or characters who likely has already foreseen his other options. For example againt other Ricks he always uses his portals since he knows they are equal to him while also knowing they wont foresee it or care to foresee it. Anyways S1 Ep10 pretty much proves me right, he spams the heck out of it
Nuh uh, give me any proof he will do in character
Rick can negate NEP and his Tech can affect Type 1 Concepts
It would just leave and melt it lol, this isnt a busted ice from what I can see
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Just funny how he can blatantly affect literal concepts, like his device that does conceptual sealing.
ShionAH
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Fair, though it doesn't explain how Rick's profile went from 'Standard Equipment' to 'Standart Equipment'
That is one specific episode in 5 seasons which you yourself explained why he'd need to resort to such a tactic for it. He's been killing his own versions for decades and it's his immediate response to seeing himself, something that's not applicable to this fight
Nuh uh, give me any reason he wouldn't use a ability he has in a fight he won't give up in.
He can only negate type 3, requires him to actively put a collar onto the target, doesn't have the aspect type that it nullified categorized, and has wild conditions to get off
The type 1 AE is on a level vastly above everything in the Rick verse
Additional it'd need to bypass Nonduality, which Rick doesn't have
There is literally no reason to assume that it can just leave and melt it. He'd be frozen solid in a chunk of ice, in order for that to happen it'd need to either phase through the ice or resist it itself. Neither of which exist
ShionAH
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Idk Standart feels more accurate lol.
Rick pretty much uses the portal gun in character, seeing that Doom has armour would make it even more likely he uses the Portal Gun lol.
Nuh uh, burden of proof is on you. Prove to me that he will do that IC. If you cant its useless
Rick can negate NEP with Time Crystals, he doesnt need the collar. Read the profile. Nonduality is a problem Ig does that make them uninteractable though?
No its just normal ice which the cybernetics would just melt since Rick is the thing thats frozen not his Technology. Hell Space Cruiser could also melt it too
Rick pretty much uses the portal gun in character, seeing that Doom has armour would make it even more likely he uses the Portal Gun lol.
Nuh uh, burden of proof is on you. Prove to me that he will do that IC. If you cant its useless
Rick can negate NEP with Time Crystals, he doesnt need the collar. Read the profile. Nonduality is a problem Ig does that make them uninteractable though?
No its just normal ice which the cybernetics would just melt since Rick is the thing thats frozen not his Technology. Hell Space Cruiser could also melt it too
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Nonduality got nerfed hard so NEP 2 is the main issue.
ShionAH
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Time Crystals can make stuff that dont exist start existing, would that help
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Well it's not lol
No, it'd make him more likely to try and hack it since he's not aware it can counter attempts to fry or hack it
It's an ability he has and can use, just because Doom doesn't die enough for him to activate it doesn't mean it's not something he wouldn't do.
Additionally him doing it in-character or not doesn't matter since SBA again means he won't give up the fight, meaning that he would do it because he can.
Burden of proof is on you on why he wouldn't use an ability.
Again, he doesn't negate the type Doom would have nor any of the aspects of it.
You are in a catch 22 with the ice logic, how would the cybernetics melt the ice if they can't even come out to do so? Space Cruser is a better explanation but can also just be countered by Doom doing anything from force fields to hacking it.
damn, all the cool shit has been nurfed huh? Haven't had to deal with any of that since I've been revising Lupin III so it went over my head
ShionAH
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Rick barely actually uses Hacking though, atleast not in fights unless he realises his opponent is Tech heavy. Which would still take some time
My proof on why Doom wont do that: He never did it. Lol
Time Crystals Negate All Aspects but NEP 2 is a problem maybe, Space Cruiser resists Hacking and I dont see why Ice stops Cybernetics.
Anyways this is just a Incon I dont see why we keep dragging it
My proof on why Doom wont do that: He never did it. Lol
Time Crystals Negate All Aspects but NEP 2 is a problem maybe, Space Cruiser resists Hacking and I dont see why Ice stops Cybernetics.
Anyways this is just a Incon I dont see why we keep dragging it
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I still disagree the idea of this being an incon but it's going nowhere with just the two of us
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Eh this Rick never actually showed he uses it and the only times other Ricks showed they use it is for a marketable gimmick (which is why his plot manip that goes with it is also kinda mid cause it all pretty much relies on his story trains)
ShionAH
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Tbh being able to see meta elements and enter it at will would be useful in vs threads right? Meta reality gives Rick access to all sorts of plot and narrative parts of reality
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Thing is it still relies on Rick using something like the story train and other meta-stuff to do all that plot manip stuff (something he never does in character and he doesn't even have a story train on him even with optional equipment) which is why I consider it kinda mid for most match ups.
ShionAH
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Definitely but like if he has prep time then it would be used I'd assume. Since it shows Ricks capacity to create and alter Story Elements right
Anyways pls vote so we can end this
