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I'd use Reed if his profile wasn't dogwater

Doom fights Rick Sanchez
  • Speed equalized
  • Rick has access to all his resources
  • Doom's High 1-B/Low 1-A equipment is restricted
  • Location: Latveria
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Maverick_Zero_X said:
I'd use Reed if his profile wasn't dogwater
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Facts
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Doom fights Rick Sanchez
  • Speed equalized
  • Rick has access to all his resources
  • Doom's High 1-B/Love 1-A equipment is restricted
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Ah yes, Love 1-A, my favorite tier.

Anyways, while a single magic blast from Doom would likely end Rick, I am certain that Rick has enough equipment that this is not going to be an easy task.

I will wait for the Rick people to give their thoughts.
 
Does Rick have Prep here or just his equipment?

I see Doom has EE Resistance, what dimensionality is it?
 
Eseseso said:
How does Rick's EE work?
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He has two devices

A Mini Omega Device, Its a laser projectile that erases you across the 7D Multiverse completely (arguably erases you from the very plot but a little dubious for that)

Other one just like... kinda boops you out of existence. No projectile needed for that one

Edit: Holy shit wait Base Magic... wtf? How does Rick win if Dr Doom has all dat in like Low 1-A scale
 
Yeah, marvel magic is doing the heavy lifting here all alone. What can Rick do against a magical blast that has 2 paragraphs worth of abilities on a L1-A level?
 
ShionAH said:
He has two devices

A Mini Omega Device, Its a laser projectile that erases you across the 7D Multiverse completely (arguably erases you from the very plot but a little dubious for that)

Other one just like... kinda boops you out of existence. No projectile needed for that one

Edit: Holy shit wait Base Magic... wtf? How does Rick win if Dr Doom has all dat in like Low 1-A scale
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I mean, smurfery or not, Rick doesn't seem to resist soul hax, but he can be revived since Doom doesn't negate Type 4 immortality.

And both need to hit the other.
 
Eseseso said:
I mean, smurfery or not, Rick doesn't seem to resist soul hax, but he can be revived since Doom doesn't negate Type 4 immortality.

And both need to hit the other.
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I mean he doesn't need to kill, he could just incap
 
Tomfer said:
Yeah, marvel magic is doing the heavy lifting here all alone. What can Rick do against a magical blast that has 2 paragraphs worth of abilities on a L1-A level?
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No projectile will hit Rick, he is able to use his Laser Pistol (iirc) to give attacks of others life which has shown to make them instantly turn back and attack their owner
Eseseso said:
And both need to hit the other.
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Would Dooms own Magic hurt him? Rick could turn it back

Btw does Dooms Tech resist Tech Manip?
 
ShionAH said:
No projectile will hit Rick, he is able to use his Laser Pistol (iirc) to give attacks of others life which has shown to make them instantly turn back and attack their owner

Would Dooms own Magic hurt him? Rick could turn it back
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He resists Marvel Magic, so it could hurt him but probably not for long.
ShionAH said:
Btw does Dooms Tech resist Tech Manip?
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Yes.

Well his armor does, anyways.
 
ShionAH said:
Hmm alr, maybe that could be an opening for Rick
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As in, if Doom fires a normal magic blast and it gets reflected, it's not going to do that much damage.

Plus, Magic in Marvel is entirely different from scientific energy including energy blasts.

And as a bonus magic negates durability and shields
ShionAH said:
Isnt that only Hacking
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That's included on the Tech Manip page
 
Eseseso said:
As in
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Wait I just realised can Doom even come back from BFR and can Rick kill him by cutting him with a Portal?
Eseseso said:
That's included on the Tech Manip page
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But like we have a page for Hacking, Technology Manip is more of just controlling or shutting off Technology without trying to Hack it. If Doom has no shown resistances to actual Technology Manip, then Ricks E.M.P pulses should work (?)
 
ShionAH said:
But like we have a page for Hacking, Technology Manip is more of just controlling or shutting off Technology without trying to Hack it. If Doom has no shown resistances to actual Technology Manip, then Ricks E.M.P pulses should work (?)
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His armor would just adapt itself even if he used some super powered Tech manip, not to mention that it withstood attempts to circumvent it by mega geniuses. Also on the EMP front, he won against Magneto who can control the Earth's magnetosphere and has electromagnetic control way more advanced than a simple EMP
 
BLS said:
His armor would just adapt itself even if he used some super powered Tech manip, not to mention that it withstood attempts to circumvent it by mega geniuses.
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Hacking isnt same as Tech Manip tbh, I guess it could eventually adapt but it could work at first.
BLS said:
Also on the EMP front, he won against Magneto who can control the Earth's magnetosphere and has electromagnetic control way more advanced than a simple EMP
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Has he resisted Magnetos EMP and Technology Manipulation?
 
ShionAH said:
Wait I just realised can Doom even come back from BFR
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High 1-B to Low 1-A Dimensional Travel Range via magic, per the Magic page (for Low-Tier Sorcerers)
ShionAH said:
and can Rick kill him by cutting him with a Portal?
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Depends how that works.
ShionAH said:
But like we have a page for Hacking, Technology Manip is more of just controlling or shutting off Technology without trying to Hack it. If Doom has no shown resistances to actual Technology Manip, then Ricks E.M.P pulses should work (?)
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Tbf Doom resists electricity, and he can restore power to his armor with a button press.
 
ShionAH said:
No projectile will hit Rick, he is able to use his Laser Pistol (iirc) to give attacks of others life which has shown to make them instantly turn back and attack their owner
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Can Rick's technology even interact with AE/Concepts, Nonduality and Nonexistence at the same time? And magic does have resistance to technology btw, just look at the nature of magic, beside basic magic.
 
Resistance to Technology tf? Rick isn't doing anything to them really, he is just giving them life and they mostly just either fly away or attack their owners

Also Rick isnt trying to affect Magic itself, only the projectiles Dr. Doom is sending. You are not seriously arguing a random fireball is also conceptual, non existent and non dual right?
 
ShionAH said:
Rick isn't doing anything to them really, he is just giving them life and they mostly just either fly away or attack their owners
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So Bio/life? Magic resists that.

ShionAH said:
Also Rick isnt trying to affect Magic itself, only the projectiles Dr. Doom is sending. You are not seriously arguing a random fireball is also conceptual, non existent and non dual right?
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First, Doom is not using a "random fireball" against Rick, let me stop right there. And even if he was, that magical fireball would have all of that due to being from marvel's magic. So yeah, if Rick can't interact with all of these at the same time, that argument falls flat. C'mon, just read the nature of magic.
 
Tomfer said:
So Bio/life? Magic resists that.
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Its forced Life Bestowal.

Also no, they don't resist Life Manipulation.
Tomfer said:
First, Doom is not using a "random fireball" against Rick, let me stop right there.
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That was an analogy, since what Doom will throw at Rick is not even a speck of the actual concept of Magic.
Tomfer said:
And even if he was, that magical fireball would have all of that due to being from marvel's magic. So yeah, if Rick can't interact with all of these at the same time, that argument falls flat. C'mon, just read the nature of magic.
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No it wouldn't what? Its just an energy blast or whatever, that nature of magic is talking about the magic as a like an concept. Energy blasts or fireballs are not nondual and nonexistent things, they exist and pretty much physical.

There is no way you are not seeing how absurd it of an idea it is to say that even a random fireball or an energyblast that Strange used is somehow conceptual, plot manipulating, non dual, non existing thing.

Anyways, at this point I wanna see if Ricks portal gun can do the job
 
ShionAH said:
Its forced Life Bestowal.

Also no, they don't resist Life Manipulation.

That was an analogy, since what Doom will throw at Rick is not even a speck of the actual concept of Magic.

No it wouldn't what? Its just an energy blast or whatever, that nature of magic is talking about the magic as a like an concept. Energy blasts or fireballs are not nondual and nonexistent things, they exist and pretty much physical.

There is no way you are not seeing how absurd it of an idea it is to say that even a random fireball or an energyblast that Strange used is somehow conceptual, plot manipulating, non dual, non existing thing.
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Magic energy itself is a nonexistent conceptual energy by its innate nature. Not the fire itself.
 
Eseseso said:
does Rick use his portal gun offensively in character?
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Yeah, surprisingly enough its his favorite technology to use. He uses it to slice foes, open portals inside suits and ships (its in character for him to open a portal inside Dooms suit and shoot there), open many portals, summon beings, BFR, self destruct

Though its more in character when he is in his standart equipment
 
ShionAH said:
Yeah, surprisingly enough its his favorite technology to use. He uses it to slice foes, open portals inside suits and ships (its in character for him to open a portal inside Dooms suit and shoot there), open many portals, summon beings, BFR, self destruct

Though its more in character when he is in his standart equipment
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Any videos of him using it lethally?

Just that his profile doesn't really do a good job describing its lethal capabilities.
 
ShionAH said:
But like we have a page for Hacking, Technology Manip is more of just controlling or shutting off Technology without trying to Hack it.
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Pretty sure the Tony' Extremis Armor is what covers that section, IIRC that suit let Tony just directly control tech via his mind.

As for the whole 'resisting Life Force' thing, we literally have Life Force Wanda set as exponentially greater than her normal state. So despite only erasing Hawkeye it'd still be low 1-A due to it being amped Wanda powers.

As for Rick's portal killing, assuming the magic resistances can be used here than Doom's resistance to demon magic would be applicable since it includes further space manip resistance

Edit: Demon resistance also gives Doom more resistance to Rick's tech manip lol

Edit Edit: Actually alot of his magic resistances give him Tech resistance LOL, plus I don't think Rick can turn the magic into living projectiles since (Not including all of the abstract existence and nonduality nature of it) it's outright said on their page that magic, by nature, doesn't follow laws of physics or biology with Life Manip also being a basic magic ability which would in turn make it something that can additionally be resisted.
 
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I will add that Doom in-character probably won't use magic against a fellow tech & science master unless pushed into a corner.
 
Eseseso said:
I will add that Doom in-character probably won't use magic against a fellow tech & science master unless pushed into a corner.
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Hol up thats bad but also fire writing, does that mean he just gets sliced?

Can he bypass OP by any chance with tech
 
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ShionAH said:
Hol up thats bad but also fire writing, does that mean he just gets sliced?

Can he bypass OP by any chance with tech
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As I mentioned before, his resistance to various forms of Magic gives him some good counters to some of Ricks options. Resistance to Demon magic alone negs a good chunk of Rick's stuff
 
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