Doctor Doom vs Rick

[Catbowtie]

Did you see my points about Doom just having resistances to everything the portal gun has?

if Rick only has standart equipment he will start with the Portal Gun which would instantly kill Doom

Argue with ShionAh about it.

 

[ShionAH]

btw no Doom never survived that kind of an attack to his internal organs as @Eseseso even accepted

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Argue with ShionAh about it.

(Kinda have been lol)

btw no Doom never survived that kind of an attack to his internal organs as @Eseseso even accepted

That was referring to direct internal organ damage, the portals still need to bypass all of Doom's other shields and resistances that'd prevent the portals from reaching him first.

 

[ShionAH]

Dooms shields are useless since the portal appears INSIDE HIM. He also doesnt resist that, literally tell me when did he ever survive or resist that.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Dooms shields are useless since the portal appears INSIDE HIM. He also doesnt resist that, literally tell me when did he ever survive or resist that.

Magical attacks can attack people from the inside, if Rick wants to do internal attacks towards Doom he's either going to need to overpower those resistances, get the armor off of him, or hit him with something that it can't resist.

 

[ShionAH]

No like give me a scan where Doom resists durability negation that splits him apart from the inside through the usage of creation/spatial manipulation, you keep giving me abilities rather than resistances. Its not on his profile nor does the Magic page say that Magic Users resist that

Edit: I wanna add as @Eseseso said Doom would focus more on Tech than Magic due to Rick's Arsenal

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

No like give me a scan where Doom resists durability negation that splits him apart from the inside through the usage of creation/spatial manipulation, you keep giving me abilities rather than resistances. Its not on his profile nor does the Magic page say that Magic Users resist that

That legit is untrue, under the Basic Magic tab it legit says "Magic has been repeatedly shown to bypass non-magical defenses, shields, and resistances, such as here, and it is hinted at by Doctor Doom that those without magic are unable to resist any magic attacks." alongside a much larger paragraph on it.

Magic itself is durability negating on-top of all the extra nonsense added onto of it all, so yeah the Space-Time manipulation resistance also includes durability negation

 

[ShionAH]

I dont see any scans where Doom resists a Portal/Etc. splitting him from within, you just keep giving me some stuff Magic can do and assume Dr. Doom who consistently fears this kind of stuff resists it without further proof? Did Doom even ever tank anything similar?

Not buying it, keeping my vote to Incon and leaving this thread alone.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I dont see any scans where Doom resists a Portal/Etc. splitting him from within, you just keep giving me some stuff Magic can do and assume Dr. Doom who consistently fears this kind of stuff resists it without further proof? Did Doom even ever tank anything similar?

Doom has been fighting demons for years which are creatures that treat spatial manipulation as simple feats.

There's also an entire section in High Tier magic talking about how stronger sorcerers can just neg magic from the basic category, Doom doesn't need examples of this personally as this is just an thing magic Marvel characters can do.

Edit: Just noticed that all of the basic magic stuff Doom has is also layered LOL

 

[Eseseso]

btw no Doom never survived that kind of an attack to his internal organs as @Eseseso even accepted

He has, as he survived the MoD turning his heart to stone and lungs to acid, but it severely damaged him.

 

[Unkn0wnAether]

i've been spectating this and im curious uh
how do we have doom countering project phoenix currently?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

i've been spectating this and im curious uh
how do we have doom countering project phoenix currently?

Incapping Rick via various non-lethal moves, mind attacks, and sensing Rick's soul going to revive and preparing against whatever he tries to do

 

[Unkn0wnAether]

can rick transfer his conscious to another body on command? or does he have to die?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

can rick transfer his conscious to another body on command? or does he have to die?

Has to die, other transferal means are very limited in practical use and requires him to set it up

 

[Unkn0wnAether]

alright. i am seeing a lot of usable incap options for doom (ice manip, energy draining, etc.) stuff like summoning would also help for numbers.

skimming over rick's page i dont see as many options for a win. voting doom (low-mid diff maybe?)

 

[Eseseso]

So Rick can summon a portal in Doom, while Doom can Ovoid Mind Transfer.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

So Rick can summon a portal in Doom, while Doom can Ovoid Mind Transfer.

Assuming the portal doesn't get prevented by the various counters Doom's resistances has to space manipulating/portal stuff, those are likely the fastest win methods.

 

[ShionAH]

He has, as he survived the MoD turning his heart to stone and lungs to acid, but it severely damaged him.

What about the Brain? Portals would split him top to bottom

 

[Eseseso]

What about the Brain? Portals would split him top to bottom

Oh, then no.

I mean he did survive his blood becoming acid, but never being vertically bisected.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Oh, then no.

I mean he did survive his blood becoming acid, but never being vertically bisected.

Problem is my counter arguments isn't 'he can survive it" it's "the portals likely can't form inside him due to the counters"

 

[Unkn0wnAether]

How long would it take for the portal thing to set up btw? I'd assume in that time Doom could just throw a freeze grenade or age manip Rick

 

[ShionAH]

How long would it take for the portal thing to set up btw? I'd assume in that time Doom could just throw a freeze grenade or age manip Rick

He just has to shoot his portal gun

 

[Unkn0wnAether]

I'm trying to remember if the portal gun shoots a projectile to make the portal. If it does I don't see why doom could just block it with forcefields

 

[ShionAH]

I'm trying to remember if the portal gun shoots a projectile to make the portal. If it does I don't see why doom could just block it with forcefields

Rick just has to shoot anywhere and make the other portal appear inside Doom, so no its not dodgeable

 

[Unkn0wnAether]

Alright. Regardless I think Doom just raising his hand at Rick and activating one of his magic incaps would be quicker

 

[Eseseso]

Alright. Regardless I think Doom just raising his hand at Rick and activating one of his magic incaps would be quicker

But he doesn't do it against Muggles in character unless he's losing.

He only used it against Iron Man since both were even in their fight, and once he used it he was stomping Iron Man until Sentry walloped him

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Snip

Genuine question, is it possible for a character to teleport Doom out of his armor? By targeting his body instead of the armor itself

 

[Unkn0wnAether]

But he doesn't do it against Muggles in character unless he's losing.

He only used it against Iron Man since both were even in their fight, and once he used it he was stomping Iron Man until Sentry walloped him

How IC is it for him to use the incap stuff we've been talking about

 

[DaReaperMan]

Doctor Doom FRA

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Incon FRA

 

[Eseseso]

Genuine question, is it possible for a character to teleport Doom out of his armor? By targeting his body instead of the armor itself

Interesting question, I don't think so. Closest is Susan Storm making Doom's armor invisible to expose his multiated face to the world

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Interesting question, I don't think so. Closest is Susan Storm making Doom's armor invisible to expose his multiated face to the world

Main reason I ask is because the logic of portals killing him runs under a similar argument type. If a character is incapable of using teleportation to get Doom out of his armor, or teleporting individual parts of him, why would it suddenly be possible to create a portal inside of him? It's the exact same type of ability being used (granted Rick's version has inferior range + general hax when using his portals) the only difference is the actual application of it since one is a more lethal path than the other.

 

[Eseseso]

Main reason I ask is because the logic of portals killing him runs under a similar argument type. If a character is incapable of using teleportation to get Doom out of his armor, or teleporting individual parts of him, why would it suddenly be possible to create a portal inside of him? It's the exact same type of ability being used (granted Rick's version has inferior range + general hax when using his portals) the only difference is the actual application of it since one is a more lethal path than the other.

I mean, Doom has forcefields at all times, magic and normal both, so could the portal stuff bypass that?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I mean, Doom has forcefields at all times, magic and normal both, so could the portal stuff bypass that?

My arguments have been no to that the entire time, since at the very least the magical ones would resist all the properties of Rick's portal gun. Which removes Rick's most noticeable win con

 

[ShionAH]

My arguments have been no to that the entire time, since at the very least the magical ones would resist all the properties of Rick's portal gun. Which removes Rick's most noticeable win con

Yeah, the portals will appear inside Doom killing him instantly. They dont travel

Doom needs forcefields to be like inside his body and organs I think that would save him if he had that?

I personally think its just an incon

 

[ShionAH]

I mean, Doom has forcefields at all times, magic and normal both, so could the portal stuff bypass that?

Are they inside his body? It could only maybe work if they are literally planted inside his very organs and brain and stuff

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Are they inside his body? It could only maybe work if they are literally planted inside his very organs and brain and stuff

There's no reason why a force field that protects his entire body wouldn't also protect his insides, as I mentioned previously magic already durability negs and various forms of it attack from the inside out. So they are already made with the intent of preventing those types of tactics in the first place.

 

[Eseseso]

How does the portal gun work, exactly?

And does Rick use it for killing in-character?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

How does the portal gun work, exactly?

Exactly how it sounds, Rick shoots it and it creates a portal via manipulating space. It's range is 6/7D which makes it inferior to other spatial/teleporting abilities in marvel. By creating a portal inside of the space of it's target it will split the space into two killing the target almost instantly.

And does Rick use it for killing in-character?

He has done so, but it's not something he always does.

 

[ShionAH]

How does the portal gun work, exactly?

Uhh like a portal gun? Basically rick shoots the first portal at anywhere and the other portal just appears anywhere he wants it to

He will make the second portal appear inside Dooms body to cut him into two

And does Rick use it for killing in-character?

Very in character when he has only standart stuff, since its his strongest invention