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Doctor Doom vs Rick

Rick is given all of his resources and is aware of the fight starting, he literally says "I don't use them" after having just used them.
Yes he only ever uses them if he really has to which he wouldnt know right now. Same way he wont use Time Stop or Meta Abilities, its just Ricks character
if you thought the fight wasn't a stomp before Rick had all of his stuff, them him having it shouldn't suddenly be changing your opinions saying he gets stomped.
Before this Rick only had Standart which will make him lead with the Portal Gun which I said would kill Doom. You are arguing he can even survive that.
 
Yes he only ever uses them if he really has to which he wouldnt know right now. Same way he wont use Time Stop or Meta Abilities, its just Ricks character
You could say the same for the portal killings, but here we are.

Before this Rick only had Standart which will make him lead with the Portal Gun which I said would kill Doom. You are arguing he can even survive that.
I've been arguing he could resist it, additionally Rick again has a far longer history of using a wide array of other first moves other than the portal gun. If you want to be arguing about in-character stuff because he's incapable of recognizing a threat then that's going against you still.

Additionally, his first move wouldn't matter in the case of something being a 'stomp'. If you think he can win with them, then he still has it and such is still in the possibilities for a win. It being much more unlikely is irrelevant since it's still a chance on your side, regardless of how much I disagree with it.
 
Literally what? You still didnt tell me how, since you seem to think Doom can survive anything and can literally revive. I would have accepted the loss if Rick only had Standart Equipment but now I dont even see how he wins that version, I researched a bit and this astral projection shit is too insane for anything in Rick and Morty. Page literally implies it is a Outerversal plane of existence

Also, there's still the fact Doom can just ghost fight in the air which honestly does turn this into a stomp 12 ways around as of now.
 
Literally what? You still didnt tell me how, since you seem to think Doom can survive anything and can literally revive. I would have accepted the loss if Rick only had Standart Equipment but now I dont even see how he wins that version, I researched a bit and this astral projection shit is too insane for anything in Rick and Morty. Page literally implies it is a Outerversal plane of existence
That's what we've been arguing on the entire time. And again, Rick still has his portal gun in that section meaning its still an option for your side of the argument. It's fundamentally impossible to say Standard Equipment isn't a stomp and then say All Equipment is, just because a win is decisive doesn't make it a stomp.

And yes, if Doom dies I'm pretty sure he does stomp once he enters it. However there are other means to win on Rick's side for victory, however unlikely they are. Doom's win is definitive not guaranteed
 
Yes, do tell me them please.

Also no, Rick spams his portal gun when he is unprepared. He doesnt spam it at all when he has other technology.
 
Also no, Rick spams his portal gun when he is unprepared. He doesnt spam it at all when he has other technology.
You have 1 episode for that, which isn't alot in favor. Additionally it's still an option for him, him spamming it or not doesn't change the nature of it being a stomp or not since it's still there

Yes, do tell me them please.
Again, I don't have the time for that RN since I'm on my phone and can't compare and contrast the 8 different resistance pages Doom has at the moment.

If you want to say this is a stomp, you'd need to literally invalidate everything you've argued to this point and claim all the inconclusive votes were invalid. Because you'd be admitting that Rick has literally no way of winning the fight with  any of his equipment, standard or optional
 
Huh? Just a page ago you were saying Doom resists everything Rick has, can come back into a higher dimensional form that cannot be touched, survive Ricks 6D attacks, follow Rick through OP, BFR Rick to High 1-B planes.

You voting for Doom and saying it is not a stomp means you are invalidating your previous posts that say its a stomp for Doom. I was thinking and voting it as Inconclusive but after reading Astral Forms page and how batshit it is I changed my mind. Nothing in Rick and Morty is close to 8D let alone Outerversal. This is ignoring how Doom resists most of Ricks haxes and can one shot, Rick really only wins in Intelligence here which wont help since Rick is reckless as hell.

If you do tell me a good wincon Rick has I will vote for Doom personally.
 
Huh? Just a page ago you were saying Doom resists everything Rick has, can come back into a higher dimensional form that cannot be touched, survive Ricks 6D attacks, follow Rick through OP, BFR Rick to High 1-B planes.
I said Doom can resist the portals and the spacial destruction stuff as well as counter them. That's not the same as saying he can resist literally everything in Rick's arsenal.

You voting for Doom and saying it is not a stomp means you are invalidating your previous posts that say its a stomp for Doom. I was thinking and voting it as Inconclusive but after reading Astral Forms page and how batshit it is I changed my mind. Nothing in Rick and Morty is close to 8D let alone Outerversal. This is ignoring how Doom resists most of Ricks haxes and can one shot, Rick really only wins in Intelligence here which wont help since Rick is reckless as hell.
I only said it's a stomp in one specific form which isn't 100% going to be used depending on how the fight goes. Just because a character  can access a higher form that could stomp doesn't mean the fight itself is one if there are paths that don't result in it. Doom isn't pulling the projection out unless he dies, which isn't a guarantee.

So no, I'm not invalidating anything I've said before. If you actually read what I've been saying you'd find I've been rather consistent with my arguments.

If you do tell me a good wincon Rick has I will vote for Doom personally.
Time Crystal uncertainties splitting the timelines non-existently, Doom ironically doesnt resist Ice Manipulation himself (i think, i aint checking 8 different pages right now), Rick has energy absorption to counter some of Dooms more conventional weaponry, ect ect.

Rick can fight back, he has the means to, it's just that he loses because he isn't Doom
 
So you concede this isn't inconclusive then?
Astral forms are outerversal, non dual, non existent, conceptual, informational Leph.

Even though I disagree with the way Marvel uses physiology pages I cannot ignore that its accepted that Doom can do everything in those pages. Which is insane, Idk even know how any verse can beat Marvel at this point lol
 
Basically from what I'm seeing:
If Rick goes for an option that doesn't result in death, it's inconclusive because it's a case of who can get the shot off first.
If Rick goes for an option that does kill Doom, he gets obliterated because Astral Forms are broken AF

Hm...
 
Astral forms are outerversal, non dual, non existent, conceptual, informational Leph.

Even though I disagree with the way Marvel uses physiology pages I cannot ignore that its accepted that Doom can do everything in those pages.
It helps that Marvel glazes Doom by saying repeatedly that he's the #3 Sorcerer on Earth behind Clea and Strange.
Which is insane, Idk even know how any verse can beat Marvel at this point lol
 
The TS (Thread Starter) change Rick from Standard Equipment to All Equipment? Votes should be reset then.
 
Nah Thread just had "All Resources" which... doesn't mean much since Rick lacks Prep Time. Because of that I assumed it was Standart.
Shion was just  very adamant that the portal gun cpuld solo
Though its more in character when he is in his standart equipment
rick probably shouldnt get his optional stuff, he can incon this with standart too and opt may make it a stomp
No, if you actually had read my arguments (which of course you did not) you would know I specifically said that the Portal Gun would be a wincon here which is why Rick should only have Standart Equipment, which was a working argument until the whole Astral Form things. Not my fault it took you like 5 ass pages to actually give a good argument against it.
 
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