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It honestly makes sense given his narcissistic personality.
If you beat a muggle with magic, where's the satisfaction and glory?
Wdym, exactly?
Also, what will Rick's first weapon/attack be in-character?
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Doctor Doom vs Rick
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If you beat a muggle with magic, where's the satisfaction and glory?
Also, what will Rick's first weapon/attack be in-character?
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It was relevant to your main points of Rick's wincons, since the resistance negs things like space manip and tech manip
As for OP, options Doom has that aren't magic based are Mind Manip (While Rick has a resistance to it with optional prep, that's only in the form of a specific gadget he actually needs to fire on himself to work which is a very specific scenario not likely to occur, hell I argue it should be listed as Purification since that's what is occurring), Freeze Manip since it isn't lethal, Sleep manip, and Bio manip to scramble his nerves for his standard arsenal, alongside the possibility of a Social Influence win (Doom goading Rick into doing something dumb)
With magic Doom's list just becomes endless due to the absurdly high number of things we give Marvel characters with that shit. Hell with it he'd even be able to sense Ricks soul reincarnating to catch onto OP's gimmick.
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Knowing Rick, his starting move against someone like Doom would be to either hack/sabotage the armor, use the portal gun to space-manip kill, or use a random instant kill weapon. Though the grand bulk of those get negged with Doom's resistances, since while Magic is not his go-to against fellow inventors the resistances he gains from having them don't just disappear.
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Operation Phoenix
You need to destroy Ricks very mind to kill him or else his backsups allow him to have Psuedo Prep Time where he can just nuke Doom
Portal Gun definitely. Maybe Hacking and Tech Manip after or right before
He doesnt seem to be able to resist being cut in half with Portals, you need extremely specific showings to resist that type of attack
Since its liquid Rick should be capable of putting it into his Cybernetic Augments to gain the Resistance but like he lacks Prep and Opt Eqp so it doesnt matter
Rick has passive Heat so I doubt that wotks
Ricks cybernetics allow him to fight even while uncouncoiuss so again kinda useless
Could work yeah
Definitely not, Rick also has insane Social Influencing and a much much higher Intelligence in this battle. Really doubt he will be tricked
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Doom's magic resistance lets him resist space manipulation, BFR, portals, reality warp, deconstruction, ect ect. The sheer combination of the countless resistances would allow that + Doom has passive force fields around his armor which furthers this.
Rick's 'passive heat' is in the form of a blaster which fires a melting beam, which wouldn't work when his entire body gets frozen since the blaster can't actually be activated.
Needs to be pre-activated and is only shown to work on one of his legs, while some of his stuff works automatically it's nothing major that Doom wouldn't be able to casually deal with. Ricks moves would be much slower and sloppy leaving himself far more vulnerable if he actually was able to activate it since Doom's stuff locks the body and works immediately meaning Rick would have to activate it before getting hit as opposed to the clip where he did it after the fact.
Just saying it's a possibility, Doom's capable of deceiving Silver Surfer who can figure situations out in a microsecond and can understand information being conveyed that only lasted a few milliseconds that'd take a thousand years to comprehend normally. Not saying he can just play Rick like a fiddle the entire fight but it's not impossible that Doom can catch Rick lacking during a key moment.
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"Standart equipment"
Could someone correct that typo please
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Operation Phoenix took more than an hour for him to get back where he was/needed
So if Doom doesn't kill him and he starts that, according to the episode it happened Doom wins
ShionAH
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Rick upgraded it, now it reroutes it to his own home unless there is no clones left. After that it only takes him a few seconds to whip out a Portal Gun and come back, naked of course
noninho
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Afaik they're optional equip, no?
ShionAH
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Nah
ShionAH
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Passive Force Fields or those Resistances dont mean much. He has never been sliced apart by a spatial object being created within his body, nor does he actually fully resist Durability Negation. Atleast not to this extent
Why wouldn't it? The cold would not stop a blaster, its metal. It would just fire and melt it all instantly
Rick is capable of out planning Heistotron, who was a super AI that is the size of a galaxy with the sole purpose of creating plans and outsmarting. Who also created over 900 Trillion Plans in an extremely short amount of time (Seemingly less than a day) and creating a plan that spanned across the galaxy with it also having 10325 layers worth of doublecrosses inside of it.
Rick has outsmarted Cosmic Gods that see everything, Higher Dimensional Omniscience Aliens and more. All generally while he is drunk or high. Doom is not close.
I cannot see resistance to Memory Erasure on Doom so Rick could erase all his memories, Rick should also be able to just pause Doom
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He resists dura neg via resisting magic, but yeah not internal organ stuff (it's why he is scared of Ms. Fantastic)
Probably wouldn't stop it since Doom's freezing isn't unnaturally cold IIRC (maybe his magic ice is but he doesn't use magic first thing against rival scientists)
Tbf Doom has outsmarted gods, but not Omniscient ones (he did outwit the Beyonders but needed Molecule Man's help),so this is fine.
Resistance to mind hax, especially since he resists Marvel's Mind/Soul hax which includes memory hax.
As for pausing, Doom could just respond with the Ovoid Mind transfer.
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I see, you should probably add that to the page btw but fair.
But Pausing also stops his mind?
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That wouldn't matter since the portal wouldn't be capable of slicing him apart. Doom resists all the properties of the Portal gun meaning it's be incapable of creating one on him to begin with as it'd have to go through several shields and resistances that directly counter it in order to reach his insides, add onto the fact that his armor can analyze Rick's gun and directly adapt against it and it's not going to do much.
Tell me, how is the blaster going to come out of Rick's body to melt it if he's completely frozen solid? Last I checked it's not intangible, it being metal doesn't allow it to defy laws of physics.
I mean, that is impressive, but Doom is comparing his intelligence against characters creating things on higher dimensional scales, millions of dimensions, processing power that far surpasses Heistotron, and pushing the limits of intelligence beyond possible for Marvel (and that's just Hank and Ultron, who Doom stands above in intelligence, hell Doom hacked and controlled Ultron for a time despite the defenses)
I mean, Doom also has that and the higher dimensional and cosmic entities of Marvel are literally more than infinitely superior than the ones in Rick and Morty.
Doom's suit negs time manip, and memory manipulation would again fall under the "long ass list of magic resistances" along what the other user said about his other mental resistances
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Ricks Pause has nothing to do with Time.
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.......... ya WHAT? The first example is literally a direct reference to Click, which is time manipulation. The other example is very vague as to what is happening however unless you want to properly classify it then it can be negged by Doom's massive list that counters time, mental, sealing, ect ect ect. Just because all of time in the universe isn't being affected doesn't mean it isn't time manipulation.
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I mean yeah, Ricks Time Manipulation looks like this.
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A character can have multiple forms of time manipulation, especially characters like Rick who has different inventions for it. Hell in the exact same scenario time being messed with is shown with a different effect, while that one gadget has a specific visual que that doesn't mean ALL of his time stuff needs to have it. We literally know what item Rick used and is referencing in the clip as he straight up name drops Christopher Walken, there is straight up no reason not to believe that's meant to be a form of time stop.
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Actually in that scenario he was fixing Causality, while Time Stop is seen to be done by waves.
You also ignored the second instance where it has the SAME affect
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Actually in that scenario he was completely messing up time which had a different effect which had a different effect to him fixing it. That still doesn't go against anything I said
I didn't ignore that, and you've yet to actually classify either ability on what category they'd fall under.
Edit: Unless that 2nd comment was about him resuming time, in which case that is literally the same gadget and still follows the same logic lol.
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Stat Affect
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................ Statistical reduction? That is a highly specific ability which would require more context than what you are showing to support such a theory.
Also, oh wow Magic resistances still fall under that category as statistical reduction is literally a basic magic ability, with Doom having several enhanced resistance to that thanks to his high levels of resistance alongside multiple magical categories having the ability.
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Status Effect Inducement
Status Effect is a broad term that refers to the any number of ways one is able to hinder their opponents by inflicting a variety of ailments. This is a feature most commonly seen in video games, providing additional options by generating utility outside of sheer damage. Some examples of status...
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Paralysis SubSet
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Oh, you meant that. That has it's own page you know, makes more sense than what I thought you meant lol.Status Effect Inducement
Status Effect is a broad term that refers to the any number of ways one is able to hinder their opponents by inflicting a variety of ailments. This is a feature most commonly seen in video games, providing additional options by generating utility outside of sheer damage. Some examples of status...
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Anyway magic resistance goes brrrrrr, seriously that list is stupidly long
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It says its the spell of "holding" implying its more of a telekinesis. If it was status affect inducement he wouldnt be "holding" him
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It's listed as paralysis on the page and I didn't want to dump every single example of it since there's 14 of em for low tier alone. And he's not "holding" him it's a holding spell. The word holding has many meanings to it including "keep or sustain in a specified position." and "remain secure, intact, or in position without breaking or giving way.", which are the ones used when Marvel references holding spells. Telekinetic magic is under a different category which Doom also has
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well if we go by technicality status affect inducement is not the same as paralysis but whatever, btw its a "holding spell" literally means its a spell that allows Doom to... hold him. He is using the "HOLDING spell".
I am voting Inconclusive, since if Rick only has standart equipment he will start with the Portal Gun which would instantly kill Doom while Doom has many things to kill Rick with but if he does something that doesnt stop OP then Rick just nukes him and wins so its basically who gets luckier with their options. Since both are insanely smart I can see both happening.
Maverick should remove Ricks "resources" whatever that means and give him only standart eqp
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Again, holding has multiple meanings and we aren't even arguing on Doom using the spell on Rick just him resisting it, if you want another example then here's another low-tier spell which acts similarly, no telekinesis at all.
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Okay like but why do we assume Doom resists that type of spell? Just because he took a magic blast? That is all thats needed?
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I don't make the marvel rules man, if they say he can resist everything up to high-tier magic than he does. Basically everything revolving that section of marvel are massive explanation and discussion dumps with infinite text everywhere
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Say I am a durable guy, Scarlet hits me with a blast but I survive due to my Idk metal skin.
I suddenly resists 100 million abilities on a low 1-a level? somehow that stops me from being erased or stopped in time? weird af
anyways I keep my vote to incon since portals should work and Phoenix Protocal
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I mean Wanda a pretty bad example since Chaos magic just has a lot, also Doom does specifically have magical shields and stuff passively in his suit to prevent it so there's more going on that just being hit by a blast.
I'm not going to defend the marvel fans reasonings, they have massive paragraphs on the pages for themselves.
Anyway, for votes I go for Doom due to his massive array of resistances + adaptation, multiple win-cons to circumvent Phoenix, and his abilities to help him figure it out once used and prepare accordingly for any potential round 2
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Didn't someone say Doom can sense Rick going to a different universe or something? Lad would probably also prep something up
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It only took Rick a single panel (so like a few seconds) to turn a normal Toaster into a countless reality destroying bomb. I dont think Doom has enough time to really do anything
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That'd be me and yeah, Doom got a bunch of senses for it on a 4D scale. Even if you want to argue he wouldn't know exactly where Rick went he'd immediately start using his magic to figure stuff out and counter any 6/7D nuking with his far higher magic potency or simply exit to a dimension Rick just can't reach thanks to Outerversal range
Magic has a lot of stuff than can just put him out of the range of that
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Did you see my points about Doom just having resistances to everything the portal gun has?
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