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This is the true power of the descendants of Sparda (Devil May Cry)

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More Accelerated Development (Passive) type and more Reactive Evolution feats for the Sparda's bloodline:

Also keep in mind some of them are the same from the Sparda Heritage page is for organization sake and for us to just copy paste from here to there.

(They are capable to gain pretty high results by doing their normal activities, like when Nero trained for one mouth to get more stronger to face Urizen once again, by simple killing demons something that Dante and Vergil also do in a daily basis. They are capable to become much more stronger, faster and skilled when they are in middle of combat or after being defeated, like when Dante was capable to improve his skills extremely fast in combat, even against demons that have command of techniques that allow them to perceive patterns far beyond their opponent's abilities and they can also adapt to anything that don't kill than instantly, gaining new powers, abilities and resistances against corresponding threats in mere seconds, like when adapted to the hazardous environment of the Demon World in his base form, which some of the effects includes that just being near of the evil dimension was enough to be affected by the powerful illusions that was messing with all his superhuman senses and that was also capable to reduce his strength when he was inside there and he was still capable to quickly adapt to all the illusions with no problems, was capable to adapt to the "unearthly illness" which makes it difficult to concentrate and causes intense nausea and dizziness, he was also somehow able to adapt quickly when he was falling asleep trying to find Jessica and was also capable to adapt when his strength was being reduced when he was close to the nexus and was barely unable to hold Rebellion and even mention that just holding his sword seems to sap his strength and than, after some seconds passed, he was capable to completely restore his strength. Vergil was show to be capable of adapting to a dangerous demonic illusion created by a Sin that is capable of driving normal people to insanity. They also show to be capable to adapt to others different types of powers and abilities when they transform in they demon forms, like when Dante was capable to adapt by transforming instinctively in Ultimate Devil Trigger to fight off Alice when she was sucking his life force, or when Dante was capable of instinctively adapting by semi-transforming in Ultimate Devil Trigger to fight off a Sin when he was striping away his blood, Dante after being fatally wounded by Vergil and this time being unable to heal his wound, he was show to have adapted to it by awakened his sleeping demonic powers to avoid dying and also in the process, he became much more stronger and faster on his normal form and did also developed the ability to regenerate after being melted by his opponents and they are also capable to adapt to the Soul Eaters by transforming in Devil Trigger when they try to paralyze than and eat their souls. (Accepted with the exception of the gameplay counterparts)

Change Dante, Vergil and Nero Stamina section with this (Very High, as a Demon, Dante/Vergil/Nero can last hours in battle without pause, can fight entire hordes of demons and fights against Demon Bosses without rest or relevenat signs of fadigue, only showing it against prolonged fights against those who were comparable to him and showed to need only mere seconds to recover. Is capable to recover his stamina and energy in seconds after a fight and can also recover his stamina and energy when he is on Devil Trigger in middle of combat) (Accepted)

Remove the Relativist+ from combat and reaction speed for DMC3 Dante and DMC3 Vergil and make than full FTL, since that was the accepted end in the calc when was made (Accepted)


Multiple Selves (All Types) for V and (Type 2) for Nero: (Since Vergil used Yamato to separate his half human part from his demon part and to separate power from heart, can also change people's memories and give them a physical form, and some of their abilities is confirmed to be manifestations of their souls, like Nero's Devil Trigger) (Accepted)

More Analytical Prediction feats (Can casually predict Fury when it is teleporting and can also make mathematical predictions to help him in combat, like when Dante made the billiard ball hit all the others billiard balls in the airand perfectly hit all demons with only one shot from Ebony and Ivory, or when intentionally made the Spiral's bullets ricochet in the air to pick speed to hit the opponents with maximum damage and when he made Echidna's seeds hit each other to redirect than to perfect hit Echidna's head) (Accepted)

Instinctive Reaction for Volume 1 Dante (Dante can dodge more faster than he can think when he senses danger towards him) (Accepted)

Another Extrasensory Perception feat for the Sparda boys (Can sense killing intents from another dimension), this would also upgrade their range with their senses abilities for ''At least Interdimensional, likely Low Multiversal'', since Dante felt Mundus in another dimension, but not sure if he comes from the DW when he sensed him (Accepted)

Forcefield Creation for DMC3 Dante (With Cerberus, is capable to create shields and walls of ice to protect himself) (Accepted)

Add Hell on Earth to Vergil's Notable Attacks/Techinicles section (Accepted)

Nero should have sixteen years in the DMC4 events and also change Dante's age in volume 1 to 18, since the novel pass 10 years after the incident when he was separated from his brother Vergil (Accepted)

Power Nullification and Summoning for Yamato (Yamato's blade is capable to neutralize demonic/magic powers, like when nullified Credo's powers when he was stabbed in the gut and also when did make Nero powerless when the katana was stabbed on his Devil Bringer and the sword also came to help Vergil when he was a kid) (Accepted)

Change Memory Manipulation and Conceptual Manipulation Type 3 from non combat applicable to combat applicable for Yamato (Dante was capable to separate Nero from the Savior with the katana when he throws the sword on the chest of the Savior)

Yamato should have his range changed for Low Multiversal, since the sword can cut and open portals between the Demon World and Human World, which have different space-time continuums. Demons should also have they range with Dimensional Travel changed for Low Multiversal, since they can travel between the Demon World and Human World when Sparda's seal did not exist or when the seal was being broken (Accepted)

More Enhanced Senses feats (Smell and Aura Sense) (Is capable to sense the smell of flesh blood behind the door and also sensed the dark aura that was radiating from the blood) (Accepted)

Rage Power for DMC Volume 1 Dante (Dante is capable to become more stronger and faster when he is angry, like when Dante was capable to casually kill a monkey demon in seconds when he become angry with the fact that Jessica was biologically changed into a tree by the nexus of demonic energy, or when he became very angry with Mundus after all he have done with him and his family in the past, he unlocked his true power that he inherited from his father Sparda and was also capable to unleash his magical aura and become more stronger and faster when he become angry with Chen when he used Beastheads's powers to copy Sparda's swordsmanship and eventually killed Chen with one hit from Rebellion when hitted his head) (Accepted)

Change the Sealing and BFR for DMC1 Dante for this one, since this one have better justifications for the feat: (Enhanced BFR and Enhanced Power Nullification via Enhanced Sealing for DMC1 Dante (Was capable of sealing Mundus away, this ability also sends the target to the Demon World and remove their powers and Dante's sealing powers is stated to be above Sparda himself) (Accepted)

Non Physical Interaction for DMC2 Dante (Was capable to interact, and eventually kill Alternative Mundus, which fused himself and become the source and the nexus of all the Demon World Energy in the Alternative Timeline) (Accepted)

Energy Absorption for DMC2 Dante (With Beryl's Anti-Tank Rifle, which can absorb and destroy magic) (Accepted)

Summoning for DMC5 Dante with Devil Sword Dante (Can summon Devil Sword Dante any time he wants) (Accepted)

Blood Manipulation for Urizen and DMC5 Vergil (Can use blood to teleport and can also create spikes form blood) (Accepted)

Space-Time Manipulation and Time Stop via Law Manipulation for DMC5 Nero (Is capable of bending the laws of space and time with the Ragtime and is also stated to stop his foes in place) (Accepted)

Fusionism for DMC5 Nero (Can fuse his arms with the Devil Breakers) (Accepted)

Resistances

Power Nullification (Is unaffected by the Yamato when the sword is capable to neutralize demonic/magic powers, like when nullified Credo's powers when he was stabbed in the gut and also when did make Nero powerless when the katana was stabbed on his Devil Bringer) (Accepted)

Thread Manipulation (Can fight off Arachne's webs when they try to trap than to kill than by transforming in Devil Trigger) (Accepted)

Adding Biological Absorption (They can resist their bodies and souls being absorbed by the Savior, as long as they demonic/magic powers are not nulled and they don't fall in unconscious) (Accepted)

Enhanced Soul Manipulation, BFR, Power Absorption, Forced Healing, Sealing, Information Analysis, Duplication and Power Mimicry (Unaffected by Maphas's stones, which she also can use for traps, the stones from Malphas's body can steal the cores of V's summons and lock than away and also traps V in a pocket dimension, which can take away his demonic/magic powers and can also heal him, the stones can also recreate Goliath, Cavaliere Angelo and Artemis out of V's memory and Nero was also unaffected by the stones on Malpha's body when he fought against her) (Accepted, but as possibly/likely)
 
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I'll quote only the stuff I have problems

Change the Sealing and BFR for DMC1 Dante for this one, since this one have better justifications for the feat: (Enhanced Sealing, BFR, Dimensional Travel Negation, Avatar Creation Negation for DMC1 Dante and Sparda (Was capable of sealing Mundus away, this ability also sends the target to the Demon World and Mundus can even use avatar to manifest himself in other dimensions, despite the connection between the two realms are still separate, but was unable to that when he was sealed by Dante)

I think Sealing overall just power nulls the person sealed, not just those two specific abilities


This is for DMC4 Dante, the rumors aren't really focused on DMC1 (Or any) version, so we should add when it was stated, aka DMC4 key


Bending the "Laws of Space and Time" is quite a common quote, it isn't enough to give him Law based Time Hax, if that's the intention here


I...think this is a bit too much. Malphas could just not try to trap Dante and Nero, or they just avoided her trap, which means they didn't directly fought against its effects, with them having so many enhanced and extrasensory senses, that's likely what happened

To who these resistances are, btw ? It is related to any physiology ?

They are capable to gain pretty high results by doing their normal activities, like when Nero trained for one mouth to get more stronger to face Urizen once again, by simple killing demons something that Dante and Vergil also do in a daily basis. They are capable to become much more stronger, faster and skilled when they are in middle of combat or after being defeated, like when Dante was capable to improve his skills extremely fast in combat, even against demons that have command of techniques that allow them to perceive patterns far beyond their opponent's abilities, they can receive more demonic/magic powers every time he hits his opponents or takes damage, Vergil when was a kid was capable to awaken his sleeping demonic powers when he was repeatedly attacked by the Sins sended by Mundus to kill him and his family, Dante after being fatally wounded by Vergil and this time being unable to heal his wound, he was show to have adapted to it by awakened his sleeping demonic powers to avoid dying and also in the process, he became much more stronger and faster on his normal form, Dante was capable to go from being weaker than Sid when he got the powers of Abigail in their first fight to match him in his base form alone and was also capable to casually destroy Abigail's body beyond repair with just the Devil Trigger Explosion and also casually killed Sid with one shot form Ebony and Ivory and Dante was also capable to quickly become stronger and faster to match Chen after eating the Beastheads, which was able to outpacing him in the start of the battle.They can also adapt to anything that don't kill than instantly, gaining new powers, abilities and resistances against corresponding threats in mere seconds, like when developed the ability to negate their opponents regenerations in the middle of combat, or when adapted to the hazardous environment of the Demon World, which some of the effects includes that just being near of the evil dimension was enough to be affected by the powerful illusions that was messing with all his superhuman senses and that was also capable to reduce his strength when he was inside there and he was still capable to quickly adapt to all the illusions with no problems, was capable to adapt to the "unearthly illness" which makes it difficult to concentrate and causes intense nausea and dizziness, he was also somehow able to adapt quickly when he was falling asleep trying to find Jessica and was also capable to adapt when his strength was being reduced when he was close to the nexus and was barely unable to hold Rebellion and than after some seconds passed he was capable to completely restore his strength. Vergil was show to be capable of adapting to a dangerous demonic illusion created by a Sin that is capable of driving normal people to insanity. They also show to be capable to adapt to others different types of powers and abilities when they transform in they demon forms, like when Dante was capable to adapt by transforming instinctively in Ultimate Devil Trigger to fight off Alice when she was sucking his life force, or when Dante was capable of instinctively adapting by semi-transforming in Ultimate Devil Trigger to fight off a Sin when he was striping away his blood, they are capable to adapt to the Marionette's screech, which strings up their victims like a puppet, by transforming in Devil Trigger, was show to be able to adapt to the Beelzebub's blue vomit, which is capable to prevent Dante's ranged weapons from shooting, like Ebony and Ivory, which contain souls on the bullets, and have powerful techniques, yet Beelzebub's blue vomit can seal it. Nightmare Beta is a Devil Arm which is used which Devil Trigger energy and is also sealed by the spit of Beelzebub, but Dante can still transform and destroy all the evil maggots without any type of problem. They are capable of adapting to the Infestant when they try to take over their bodys, by transforming in Devil Trigger, they are show to be capable to adapt to the Arachne's webs when they try to trap than to kill than by transforming in Devil Trigger and they are also capable to adapt to the Soul Eaters by transforming in Devil Trigger when they try to paralyze than and eat their souls.

This is my biggest problem

It uses feats of simple resistance, being casual and going more serious, and sometimes even a matter of transforming and overpowering their opponent


Dante was casual in the first round, he even said that on the 2nd round


Or he just didn't got a fatal blow quickly since Mundus was almost just as powerful as Dante in that fight, demons have type 2 Immortality, someone that can neg their regen can't kill them unless it's a fatal one

Dante was also capable to quickly become stronger and faster to match Chen after eating the Beastheads, which was able to outpacing him in the start of the battle

Or he just started to use more of his power ?


Didn't he just resisted ?

They also show to be capable to adapt to others different types of powers and abilities when they transform in they demon forms

That's having resistance against said power while on Devil Trigger

I guess that's my 2 cents
 
I...think this is a bit too much. Malphas could just not try to trap Dante

The idea that she could trap Dante is erroneous tho, like, every demon who knows about him know they don't stand a chance, thinking her powers could have worked when say, someone like Mundus/Argosax couldn't kill him is wrong.

Dante was casual in the first round, he even said that on the 2nd round

He never says that which is even confirmed when 1) Dante got stomped the first time around by a base Sid 2) They were more or less equals in the second fight before Dante went DT

Or he just started to use more of his power?

Something that is never implied, hinted or shown, he just became stronger as the fight went on and he knows the danger Chen is.
 
The idea that she could trap Dante is erroneous tho, like, every demon who knows about him know they don't stand a chance, thinking her powers could have worked when say, someone like Mundus/Argosax couldn't kill him is wrong.

Oooookay ? Then she didn't even tried, so he didn't resisted

He never says that which is even confirmed when 1) Dante got stomped the first time around by a base Sid 2) They were more or less equals in the second fight before Dante went DT

"I'm gonna pay you back, make no mistake"

He was casual to some point to the point of talking to himself to not make mistakes, and Sid wasn't in base, his base is completely powerless, he already had Abigail's powers there, just didn't took his form yet, and even then, he was on a giant form, not on base

After he had Abigail's body, when he pushed Patty away from the DW, he had his Base appearance, this idea of Abigail Sid form being so far stronger is just wrong as he constantly changes his body shape and size

Something that is never implied, hinted or shown, he just became stronger as the fight went on and he knows the danger Chen is.

Dante took easy on almost every opponent, I don't think it's just safe to say he was going all out, if his base was at 100% and wasn't working, the answer would be Devil Trigger, and I can say that for sure as he don't quite avoid the use when he feels he needs it for some reason (Abigail, after 100% base failed, Urizen for the same reason, Agnus when he was loosing energy), if he didn't used, it's very likely he wasn't needing, which means, not at 100% during the fight

He also has Pain Empowerment just like every demon, receiving such amount of damage is already a power up, and this is specially interesting here as Chen was able to neg some of Dante's regen

With all of these in mind, how can we say he jumped in power like that ? There is many other stuff to consider first
 
I...think this is a bit too much. Malphas could just not try to trap Dante and Nero, or they just avoided her trap, which means they didn't directly fought against its effects, with them having so many enhanced and extrasensory senses, that's likely what happened

To who these resistances are, btw ? It is related to any physiology ?
Oooookay ? Then she didn't even tried, so he didn't resisted
All the hax mentioned is passive on the stones, the very stuff the traps are made of.
Same stones are found on Malphas body.
V just had to step near the stones to get affected. But Nero fought full close quarters against Malphas.
So he resists. And everybody relevant scales.

For reference most of the abilities here are all used be Ares in GoW, only difference is Kratos resists some while Nero resists all Malphas Hax.
 
Higher dimensional for Dante is kinda reach...

I mean sure Mundus became a Void but doesn't mean he automatically became higher dimensional being.

Also Vergil stuff about capable see illusion probably just resisting the illusion.
 
"I'm gonna pay you back, make no mistake"

How is that any indication that he was casual?

And no, he wasn't talking to himself, he literally said that to Sid.

Literally the fact that he was transforming while walking toward the top of the tower is the indication that he wasn't going at full power, his Abigail appareance is the closest thing he has to a devil trigger.

Dante took easy on almost every opponent, I don't think it's just safe to say he was going all out, if his base was at 100% and wasn't working, the answer would be Devil Trigger, and I can say that for sure as he don't quite avoid the use

The first thing the novel tells you is that both of them know that Chen is his equal and probably even his superior in power, why would he be casual even after seeing a replica of the Sparda in his hands and getting ragdolled for the first part of the fight?

The devil trigger part while true was just a mistake from the author, integrating PIS to make the stakes higher.

He also has Pain Empowerment just like every demon, receiving such amount of damage is already a power up, and this is specially interesting here as Chen was able to neg some of Dante's regen

Yes, something Chen has too, so this is a moot point. There is also the fact that Chen himself tells Dante his power isn't at its peak yet meaning he still has to get stronger

With all of these in mind, how can we say he jumped in power like that ? There is many other stuff to consider first

We already know he has a form of accelerated development (Vergil, Beowulf, Akrham, Sid), saying he grows in the middle of combat is by far the easiest and most likely answer especially looking back at previous fights.
 
This is not how it works as such, Vergil separated his consciousness and then fused it again as one, the abilities or Devil arms have nothing to do with this, They are only equipment that he wears and it is not the same as saying that Iron man has multiple Selves for Friday
This is no HDM, is only Npi
Energy Absorption for DMC2 Dante (With Beryl's Anti-Tank Rifle, which can absorb and destroy magic)
Dante have this in his profile
This only works if the user actively uses it and is useless in a common fight unless his opponent has the necessary requirements to be affected.
 
All the hax mentioned is passive on the stones, the very stuff the traps are made of.
Same stones are found on Malphas body.
V just had to step near the stones to get affected. But Nero fought full close quarters against Malphas.
So he resists. And everybody relevant scales.

For reference most of the abilities here are all used be Ares in GoW, only difference is Kratos resists some while Nero resists all Malphas Hax.

But Malphas didn't used aganst Nero, did she ? We are assuming Dante and Nero also found those traps

How is that any indication that he was casual?

If for a second round, he'll "not make mistake", then it means he's going all out now, just look at the context, he just lost a battle against that guy and now is saying he'll make no mistake, without any other proof, it just shows he wasn't all out in the first encounter

Literally the fact that he was transforming while walking toward the top of the tower is the indication that he wasn't going at full power, his Abigail appareance is the closest thing he has to a devil trigger.

My point isn't Sid having all of his power during the 1st round, it was about him already being powerful in "Sid Form" or Abigail Form, even after he assumed the demon's body, he still had moments that he had Sid's normal form despite not dropping in power (like when he got Patty out of DW), which goes to the second point which is that being his DT, when it isn't, doesn't work in a similar way for some things

The first thing the novel tells you is that both of them know that Chen is his equal and probably even his superior in power, why would he be casual even after seeing a replica of the Sparda in his hands and getting ragdolled for the first part of the fight?

The devil trigger part while true was just a mistake from the author, integrating PIS to make the stakes higher.

If the novel states that Base Dante is equal or weaker than DSS Chen, then fine, however we now have to change his AP description for Vol 2 as it states Dante was stronger than him, despite we having canon quotes of DSS Chen being >= him until later in the battle

You can't base your point for a upgrade in a author mistake when the author has the creative power there, we have only one fact there, which is Dante not using DT, and the series showed how he usually uses when he just feels he has to, as it is stated in...Deadly Fortune (?) his hatred for using it. But this shouldn't be that bad as, again, Dante Vs Urizen showed that even against Vergil (and knowing that) and being able to sense power level, that fool still tried to fight in base for hours without success, if that's the canon mindset, him not using at first against Chen is actually very consistent

Yes, something Chen has too, so this is a moot point. There is also the fact that Chen himself tells Dante his power isn't at its peak yet meaning he still has to get stronger

>Pain< Empowerment, Chen had the advantage and could heal his wounds, it isn't the same case for Dante who had his regen neg and was losing the fight, this type of empowerment is already accepted and added to their physiology (Alongside other types), the moot point is actually going against it. After so many CRTs, some stuff is starting to get repeated, and some feats that could be new stuff are actually easily covered by abilities and haxes added a long time ago, this particular fight against Chen shouldn't be nothing new but a further proof of something already on their pages that PERFECTLY explains what happened there and not only this, but many other "Accel Development" feats. We can't lose track of what we already have, you are pressing a point were Dante already has an ability explaining what happened

This only works if the user actively uses it and is useless in a common fight unless his opponent has the necessary requirements to be affected.

Indeed

The weapon separates human from demon, so despite being usable, very few characters are actually going to be affected by this
 
This only works if the user actively uses it and is useless in a common fight unless his opponent has the necessary requirements to be affected

Indeed

The weapon separates human from demon, so despite being usable, very few characters are actually going to be affected by this
Same can be said about almost anything, time stop cannot work against someone who has resistance, soul manip is useless against robots.
So I don't see how such stuff makes it non-combat applicable. We don't go out of our way to mention such stuff as non combat applicable unless and untill completely unusable.
We are confusing ineffectivness and complete unusability.
Battleboarding aspects of hax aren't particularly important against Indexing Profile aspects.

Besides its obvious who it works against and who it doesn't.
 
Same can be said about almost anything, time stop cannot work against someone who has resistance, soul manip is useless against robots.
So I don't see how such stuff makes it non-combat applicable. We don't go out of our way to mention such stuff as non combat applicable unless and untill completely unusable.
We are confusing ineffectivness and complete unusability.
Battleboarding aspects of hax aren't particularly important against Indexing Profile aspects.

Besides its obvious who it works against and who it doesn't.
Oh, being useful or not yeah it can be used in battle and yeah it deserves a place in the profile, I was never against that

It's just not that useful XD
 
where does she say this is passive?
It isn't on her body, as the OP stated, unaffected by Malphas's traps that she putted in the Qliphoth tree to trap his preys, we can't scale a trap to her passive power like that, take V (you, btw) being there as the example

Her trap did what it did to him on Mission 14, if her body has her trap's passives, why it didn't affected V when she was close to him ?
Duh, this is just nitpicky. I already told OP to inculde that body stones stuff for justifications. I wasn't even there when this CRT was posted. I thought we decided to post this on Friday.

Besides the traps being made of stones already tells us its passive.
Take Bear Trap for example, you step on it and your legs clamped in teeth.
Take claymore mines for example, you come in its laser sense and it explodes.
Take Sentry guns for example, they track and shoot the moment target appear on their senses.
The traps exist in the first place because thats just stones existing on environment instead of her body, placed by her of course. Assuming stones work any different is extra assumptions on your part. Stones aren't different. Only their placement is.

As for second confrontation, V(me huh >:v) was dead scared of Malphas, lucky for him Nero saved him before she got close.
 
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Also I found a great example to explain Malphas accurately.
There was this show I watched in which the villain is infected with some deadly virus, he uses some drugs to prolong his life.
While outside in the city, he cuts himself on the hand and goes on applying all his body fluids everywhere, sneezing and spitting everwhere to spread infection out of spite.
He also has this aerosol cans like shaving creams which are virus sprayers in disguise which he activates and places in crowded places to infect more people. Those infected victims go on to infect others.

Gross as an example it is, it works in my favour XD. Replace the infector person with Malphas and virus with stones and this is what happens.
 
Dante fough him 100%, dante went bloodlusted after chen copying sparda's swordmanship and one shooted chen.

I dont see a reason why Dante wouldnt go 100%, when chen is capable of hurting, neging dante's regen, and at time blitzing dante.
I understand, my answer keeps what I said to Tony
 
I think Sealing overall just power nulls the person sealed, not just those two specific abilities
So, Power Null and BFR via Sealing? That is actually something i fine to add if people here don't mind.
This is for DMC4 Dante, the rumors aren't really focused on DMC1 (Or any) version, so we should add when it was stated, aka DMC4 key
Fair enough
Bending the "Laws of Space and Time" is quite a common quote, it isn't enough to give him Law based Time Hax, if that's the intention here
Ok, then i going to just remove that, since its already on Nero profile.
It uses feats of simple resistance, being casual and going more serious, and sometimes even a matter of transforming and overpowering their opponent
DT can give than resistance to hax, you cannot overpower hax via AP, at least not in DMC.

And that still fit the RE page, since they adapt to the abilities by going DT or SDT, that why is still apply here.
Or he just didn't got a fatal blow quickly since Mundus was almost just as powerful as Dante in that fight, demons have type 2 Immortality, someone that can neg their regen can't kill them unless it's a fatal one
I concede on this one, but could that be proof for immortality type 2 and 7 negation for than?
That's having resistance against said power while on Devil Trigger

I guess that's my 2 cents
Yeap and still fit the RE section, since they can transform when they are getting affected to resist the abilities, that why i separated than from the feats that he showed in base form to show how they need to do against this type of haxs.

interacting with HDE beings doesnt give you that to my knowledge.
If can give to you if say being fused himself with a 4D structure, but if people prefer NP i can change for that

This is not how it works as such, Vergil separated his consciousness and then fused it again as one, the abilities or Devil arms have nothing to do with this, They are only equipment that he wears and it is not the same as saying that Iron man has multiple Selves for Friday
Well, this should stay for Nero and V than, since they fit the pages
This is no HDM, is only Npi
I responded above for Sevil
Dante have this in his profile
Lack scans tho

Also, why does we are assuming that Nero and Dante did not get affected or find a way to avoid the traps without proof that is the case? Malphas's traps is stated by lore that she putted than across the Qliphoth tree to trap everyone that came there, so is for both Nero and Dante too and they not getting affected is proof for resistance for than, considering we have others feats in the series for prior games that they can resist haxs that affect others demons. This is by far the most simple and consistenty solution for the problem here.

Duh, this is just nitpicky. I already told OP to inculde that body stones stuff for justifications. I wasn't even there when this CRT was posted. I thought we decided to post this on Friday.
I don't remember that, but if that is the case, i apologize in advance.
If for a second round, he'll "not make mistake", then it means he's going all out now, just look at the context, he just lost a battle against that guy and now is saying he'll make no mistake, without any other proof, it just shows he wasn't all out in the first encounter
That don't means that he is not going all out there, he can sense powers of his opponents and he consistently show to not hold back even against weaker opponents in the series, and that still don't debunk the feat, he still get stomped by Sid, which means that he grow stronger and like Tony pointed out fits with the other feats in the series.
 
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I don't remember that, but if that is the case, i apologize in advance.
No problem Mister, its good👍, these hax CRTs are just too big and cumbersome to ever be perfect. Multiple people can spend a month micromanaging them even then something is left out. Its impossible to be perfect , or this CRT would have been accepted yesterday without debate😂.
Its just that the CRT caught me by surprise in the morning when I woke up.
 
No problem Mister, its good👍, these hax CRTs are just too big and cumbersome to ever be perfect. Multiple people can spend a month micromanaging them even then something is left out. Its impossible to be perfect , or this CRT would have been accepted yesterday without debate😂.
Its just that the CRT caught me by surprise in the morning when I woke up.
Very true on that V and i still have one more haxs CTR with me lol

But i believe like Tony said earlier, that we should likely take a break from DMC CTRs after that and enjoy some matches, i have somes on my mind, but they will lead to chaos on VS and Discord if i do than lol
 
Personally I'd really love if this was to be over by tomorrow or at worse day after tomorrow.
Assignments and travel to village 2 days from now will keep me busy.

As big as this CRT seems, most things are simple, and topics of ""contention"" are straightforward enough to be discussed and concluded easily imo.
 
Also before I go to sleep gotta get something off of my mind that I was saving for later, but no time lol, so here it goes.

About Malphas...
So there's many problems in assuming Dante and Nero purposely avoided traps.
1)First and foremost V has equal lvls of ESP as Dante, he was able to sense Urizen's power and be scared from it and was able to sense Trish inside Cavelier. Nero has argueably lesser ESP due to loss of his arms and general inexperience with it.
And considering V is unable to sense the traps untill he trapped right in the middle of the cluster and its too late, speaks volumes that these traps cannot be sensed. So there's no avoiding it for both Dante and Nero.

Also V is the smartest and the most knowledgeable guy at this moment in the entire game, pragmatic and cautious as hell.
Backed up by smarts and knowledge of Griffon. He has the most incentive and likelihood of avoiding traps to keep himself from trouble than anyone else. Yet he doesn't, clearly showing he cannot sense them or he would have avoided them.

2) Even if we assume they can be sensed (which is far cry), it still doesn't matter, Dante and Nero never cared about traps anyway, so I'd doubt they'd care now.

And parallel can be drawn to the fate dice game from DMC4, Nero got trapped 2 times and got affected while Dante also got trapped but resisted , made a mockery of the game and went on his merry way.
Same situation here.

Tldr;
there is zero proof of trap avoidance and logic doesn't even allow this, context points in direction that they just resisted the traps by walking through them obliviously.
Nero fights poing blank against those stones when fighting Malphas and didn't get affected is further proof of resistance.

Good night, bye 😪😴
 
Until Glass come back, don't think it is gonna be worth to bump this thread. Unless we decide to call other staff to evaluate the OP, but that would depends on what you guys prefer to do.
 
If for a second round, he'll "not make mistake", then it means he's going all out now, just look at the context, he just lost a battle against that guy and now is saying he'll make no mistake, without any other proof, it just shows he wasn't all out in the first encounter
He is talking to sid, not to himself, don't ignore the context there he is telling him he "you'll pay, make no mistake", thats not the same as if he said something like "I won't make the same mistake twice". There is no indication that he was casual prior to that, specially when you can see how his gets serious after Sid regenerates back only to get stomped in a fight we didn't even see.


My point isn't Sid having all of his power during the 1st round, it was about him already being powerful in "Sid Form" or Abigail Form, even after he assumed the demon's body, he still had moments that he had Sid's normal form despite not dropping in power (like when he got Patty out of DW), which goes to the second point which is that being his DT, when it isn't, doesn't work in a similar way for some things
There is literally nothing to go by and say he doesn't have all of Abigail's powers at that point, he even says its too late as he got Abigail's powers.

The only time we see his base form is there and immediately we are back to the human world, where he has been all this time, the sid we see could have been anything else but the real one that is in the human world.

What's the difference between DT and him assuming Abigail's form? what are those things that don't work similar? Everything he does is the same as a normal DT.

If the novel states that Base Dante is equal or weaker than DSS Chen, then fine, however we now have to change his AP description for Vol 2 as it states Dante was stronger than him, despite we having canon quotes of DSS Chen being >= him until later in the battle
The profiles in this wiki takes the strongest versions of said keys which in this case you know is the dante that one shots Chen.

You can't base your point for a upgrade in a author mistake when the author has the creative power there, we have only one fact there, which is Dante not using DT, and the series showed how he usually uses when he just feels he has to, as it is stated in...Deadly Fortune (?) his hatred for using it. But this shouldn't be that bad as, again, Dante Vs Urizen showed that even against Vergil (and knowing that) and being able to sense power level, that fool still tried to fight in base for hours without success, if that's the canon mindset, him not using at first against Chen is actually very consistent
You are trying to argue for PIS/CIS to make this argument, how is that different from me trying to disregard that same PIS/CIS?

The same "hatred" he has for his demonic side/form was a big plot point in 3, the whole acceptance of who and what he is is suddenly being contradicted by the novel, something we should disregard. Heck in 2 he even uses it nilly willy, same in 5 with a form that is even more demonic than the previous one.

The fight against Urizen is pure plot and you know that too, he had tons of options to work there and the plot demanded he gets his ass blasted to next month.

As for the rage power boost, while I do agree it works, its explained by the other abilities too like you said and I rather keep it as another feat for AD
 
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