• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

DMC Downgrades (the ones everyone expected)

Status
Not open for further replies.
GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
Or maybe just mannered.

If you think your CRT will be passed just like that , when the respected admins have at best given opinion at start of CRT and have yet to reaffirm their vote after significant discussions have happened afterwards, some of which you haven't even addressed, especially Sevil who has pretty much spear headed Tier 1 DMC crusade.

Lol this is a major Tier 1 CRT for an entire , not some random vs match, you are way too arrogant and presumptuous if you think you can bulldoze you CRT through on some ""technicality of grace"" while rest of us sit here twiddling our thumbs like addled school kids.
Click to expand...
Cope. Won't change the fact 3 admins have agreed with the downgrade so far. I'll respond to Sevil's thing after work.
 
Robo said:
so? he didnt even understand the most basic part of the scale last time
Click to expand...
Oven absolutely knows how power system works. I've seen alot of his arguments as well. Don't act like everything he says is irrelevant.
 
DOOMSLAYER127 said:
Who’s that?
Click to expand...
Not going to drop names, this topic is hot enough. Just saying that if you have little to no real expertise on the topic to just be quiet and let it unfold. Things like prematurely agreeing or disagreeing, citing people like their word is god, its not helpful. It is stressful enough for people to solo debate a entire fanbase, the least basic courtesy is to keep the arguments concise and easy to reply to. Something really hard to do when multiple people keep posting inbetween arguments
 
Gasper said:
Oven absolutely knows how power system works. I've seen alot of his arguments as well. Don't act like everything he says is irrelevant.
Click to expand...
what? im saying that staff should be used as support if they are actually knowledgeable on the verse
in this thread, oven literally got debunked by OP and gilver regarding 9D DMC and was trying to debunk thinks that got accepted way back

Imma stop now.
 
I wish we had a discord command of slow mode here.

You guys can stop now. I am interested in what Fuji has to retaliate on Sevil's post.
 
Cyberblader90 said:
did we ever get someone fluent to check the raws
Click to expand...
No unfortunately I believe your comments may have got drowned in the discourse but...
RedReaper said:
RedReaper said:
I also want to point out that the Darkness being infinite isn’t flavor text, or just a sketchy localization. The RAWs, official TL, and Fan TL by Red, and the Devil’s Lair TL, all share the same line, with the very Kanji being “Infinite/Endless Darkness,” or “果てなき闇.”
Click to expand...
RedReaper said:
^ This exactly.

Bayonetta and KH follow the same principle, because the descriptions used illustrate the same example without being verbatim infinite.


Sevil literally quotes where the two are directly referenced against each other.

"Unending darkness. A crucible of chaos. But even to that primordial existence,”

This DIRECTLY refers to the Endless Darkness. The World BORN of Darkness. This same World that is repeatedly given infinite statements. (One of them being this very Manga). With two extra that are admittedly localizations.

“…there came a ray of light.”

To that PRIMORDIAL EXISTENCE, to that ENDLESS AND INFINITE DARKNESS, came a RAY. OF. LIGHT.

Let me emphasize the comparison words. “TO THAT.” According to the manga, TO THAT Endless Darkness, (which it describes as much before it compares them), the Human World was a Ray of Light.

We aren’t quoting something that isn’t there.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Reposting so it doesn't get buried.
 
First_Witch said:
Not going to drop names, this topic is hot enough. Just saying that if you have little to no real expertise on the topic to just be quiet and let it unfold. Things like prematurely agreeing or disagreeing, citing people like their word is god, its not helpful. It is stressful enough for people to solo debate a entire fanbase, the least basic courtesy is to keep the arguments concise and easy to reply to. Something really hard to do when multiple people keep posting inbetween arguments
Click to expand...
I understand
 
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara said:
Was KH not rated as 2-A for a while?
Click to expand...
It was, then it was found out that by tiering semantics it'd actually be Low 1-C, as 2-A was reliant on the space between worlds (aka, the Ocean Between) being infinite in comparison to the universes it contains, let alone even called an hyperspace in relation to them too.

Looking at discussion, so far I'm starting to get more neutral, but I'm still unsure on tier 1 DMC.
 
Also, if the cosmology is no longer qualitatively 9-D and instead just goes to Low 1-C (or lower), there'd be no 9-D smurfness as there'd be nothing to prove such 9 dimensions are all qualitatively superior on that level to begin with.
Mainly saying this as it seems some would push for this otherwise.
 
Alright so I’m neutral on 9-D Chinese wank, but I’m leaning towards disagree with the entire Low 1-C arguments.

To me, the ray of light analogy doesn’t sound like it’s referencing the human world to the demon world, and the details of the entire event of the world splitting aren’t well known. I can agree with 2-C, likely 1-C. And I’ll leave the 1-C to whatever else comes up.
 
One thing I will say is I want the PoC Soul statement to have its lettering looked over like Cyber does, because if what Cyber found is true it would literally mean the intent in the very language is higher spatial dimensions.
 
I mean if you want an argument it's very clear that the description for the chaos Stone in peak of combat is a retelling of the origin story of the current worlds that exist from the beginning of the DMC 3 manga

It's a bit contradictory to an extent but you could also simply argue that it's a retroactive retcon or that since POC is the newest material there's debate to be on which one would take more precedence.
 
Comicgyal said:
What do you mean?
Click to expand...
I'm referring to these comments:
Cyberblader90 said:
since alot is open to interpretation regarding both tier 1 arguments, how does 2-C, possibly Low 1-C or 1-C sound
Click to expand...
Bobsican said:
Also, if the cosmology is no longer qualitatively 9-D and instead just goes to Low 1-C (or lower), there'd be no 9-D smurfness as there'd be nothing to prove such 9 dimensions are all qualitatively superior on that level to begin with.
Mainly saying this as it seems some would push for this otherwise.
Click to expand...
How can you still be possibly 1-C if 9-D points where already addressed and debunked?
 
Gasper said:
How can you still ne possibly 9-D if those point where already addressed and debunked?
Click to expand...
Because the scan itself wasn’t? The only thing contested was the Low 1-C ray Vs endless darkness, and it’s largely agreed to be up to interpretation. The 9-D scan is explicit and apparently uses the word for spatial dimensions, so it’s meaning is absolute. (Until someone proves it wrong.)
 
RedReaper said:
Because the scan itself wasn’t? The only thing contested was the Low 1-C ray Vs endless darkness, and it’s largely agreed to be up to interpretation. The 9-D scan is explicit and apparently uses the word for spatial dimensions, so it’s meaning is absolute. (Until someone proves it wrong.)
Click to expand...
How many times do i need to say this? Spatial dimensions are NEVER superior to one another without further context.
 
Sevil Natas said:
because they werent? i addressed it before. the DW is both 9D & is infinite in size. and it held the human world as a small subset of itself. that is more than enough to qualify
Click to expand...
Being infinite spatial dimension dosen't mean you are literally infinitely superior to the lower one.
 
RedReaper said:
Because the scan itself wasn’t? The only thing contested was the Low 1-C ray Vs endless darkness, and it’s largely agreed to be up to interpretation. The 9-D scan is explicit and apparently uses the word for spatial dimensions, so it’s meaning is absolute. (Until someone proves it wrong.)
Click to expand...
Being spatial dimmension doesnt you have qualitative superiority over the other spatial dimmension.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

Ningenron
DMC: A Rather Controversial Revision
2 3 4
Replies
136
Views
8K
Ningenron
Ningenron
SuperSonicTL
2A (Possibly L1C) Devil May Cry - A relevant closer to a CRT
5 6 7
Replies
255
Views
19K
SuperSonicTL
SuperSonicTL
  • Locked
Clarification Of Sentence Phrasings And Addition Of Expected Punishments For Each Type Of Rule Breach For All Rules Pages
Replies
21
Views
2K
Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
  • Locked
Fuji NEVER Cry [DMC Tier 1 Downgrades Yet Again]
14 15 16
Replies
602
Views
62K
LephyrTheRevanchist
LephyrTheRevanchist
Pluto might be an alias used by Mundus
Replies
10
Views
2K
GilverFortuna
Back
Top