Devil May Cry: Low 1-C

[SuperSonicTL]

The wiki is pretty strict on you needing to prove that the 5th dimensional axis is actually infinite. God of War didn't even get it until we proved that specifically. And I mean that last word very literally.

I don't know what else you need. I can just go on and sabotage any type of infinity I wish to if it came to as interpretive as this. Planck also said his piece right now and he agrees. This contradictory interpretations needs to be abolished asap.

Also I don't see why you don't want to use the time axis. That would give you 5D regardless of whether the 5th dimensional axis was infinite or not lol. Everything you showed at least gives ya infinite 4D space. Just add the time dimension and get 5D bro

Nah, I'm going straight into the root of this.

 

[Ommf_Deity]

Also I don't see why you don't want to use the time axis. That would give you 5D regardless of whether the 5th dimensional axis was infinite or not lol. Everything you showed at least gives ya infinite 4D space. Just add the time dimension and get 5D bro

Shhhh, we want it for the future updates after this. We will use it when we want to

 

[KLOL506]

None of that really proves that the 5th dimensional axis is universe-sized (93 billion light-years).

FTFY again

 

[Qawsedf234]

You can get Low 1-C so long as all 5 dimensional axes of a space are provably significant in size.

Which doesn't come from a 4D spaces being a slice within a 5D one.

All the evidence suggest openly it is a 5th dimension space and clearly states: "Infinite/Endless/Un-ending Darkness".

The issue here is that you're suggesting its: [∞, ∞, ∞, ∞, ∞], when [∞, ∞, ∞, ∞, x] would still make the container Infinite in size without being Low 1-C.

I don't get why something so principal and fundamental needs to be proven all over again. It's like asking for proof of 1+1=2.

I mean, there is proof for 1+1=2 and mathematicians had to write a trilogy in the 1900s to prove that what we're doing makes sense. So asking for proof standards, even for simple stuff, is not an outlandish ask.

Having said that, I haven't read ten pages of this CRT and I'm only looking at one piece of evidence. What exactly do the scans of Chaos Space say?

There is another argument that's been overlooked where im wondering if we can still use the qualitative superiority thing for Low 1-C?

If you mean quantitative then yes. Qualitative is for 1-A or higher.

 

[Random-Helper323]

The OP describes the Chaos Timeline as being all around lots of timelines while also being external to them with the ruler even being referred to as being beyond time and space. This part was overshadowed by the ray of light stuff, but if it contains them that requires 5-D, right? How does the Chaos Timeline relate to the Demon World, and how large is the Chaos Timeline shown to be?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I mean, there is proof for 1+1=2 and mathematicians had to write a trilogy in the 1900s to prove that what we're doing makes sense. So asking for proof standards, even for simple stuff, is not an outlandish ask.

I know that history. But we aren't mathematics fundamentalists. We only need to know maths as much as we need for practical purposes. 5 year old kid knows 1+1=2. That's enough for that kid and for basic uses for ordinary people in daily life.

 

[Qawsedf234]

We only need to know maths as much as we need for practical purposes

I hate to break it to you, but Dante being multiversal or not isn't for practical purposes.

This part was overshadowed by the ray of light stuff, but if it contains them that requires 5-D, right?

If Chaos time contains the multiverse along with other snapshots of it while being infinite in size, then it would be 5D.

 

[HelloThere1089]

This is just an arbitrary rule that the mods keep repeating.

The issue here is that you're suggesting its: [∞, ∞, ∞, ∞, ∞], when [∞, ∞, ∞, ∞, x] would still make the container Infinite in size without being Low 1-C.

My point is that there is a difference between a 5D container being implicitly infinite simply because it holds 4D constructs that are infinite, and the 5D container itself being stated to be infinite. If someone says a universe is infinite, they usually mean it is infinite in all 3 dimensions, and not just 2 dimensions. So if the 5D DW is itself called infinite, it should be assumed that it is infinite in all of it's spatial axes. It would be insignificant if it weren't stated to be infinite.

 

[Ommf_Deity]

How does the Chaos Timeline relate to the Demon World

becuz it's inside the DW

, and how large is the Chaos Timeline shown to be?

Exist beyond the other 2-C realms in the blog

 

[Random-Helper323]

If Chaos time contains the multiverse along with other snapshots of it while being infinite in size, then it would be 5D.

It seems to contain multiple timelines while being described as beyond time and space.

 

[Hecky2222]

Well Qawsed already clarified the time axis argument; all supporters have to do is prove the size of the Chaos Timeline

 

[Random-Helper323]

becuz it's inside the DW

Is it actually? Are there scans to say it is inside the Demon World?

Exist beyond the other 2-C realms in the blog

No, I mean is the Chaos Timeline itself significant in size?

 

[SuperSonicTL]

The issue here is that you're suggesting its: [∞, ∞, ∞, ∞, ∞], when [∞, ∞, ∞, ∞, x] would still make the container Infinite in size without being Low 1-C.

The entire structure was said to be infinite. Would you consider infinite universe as "2-dimensionally infinite but still universal-sized aka 93 billion light-years"?

I mean, there is proof for 1+1=2 and mathematicians had to write a three book trilogy in the 1900s to prove it. So asking for proof standards, even for simple stuff, is not an outlandish ask.

I don't have any idea why this situation is any simple as that. You want me to put the author at gunpoint and ask him: "Hey, tell me if this statement is talking about uncountable, continuous, infinity on higher dimensional scale"?

Having said that, I haven't read ten pages of this CRT and I'm only looking at one piece of evidence. What exactly do the scans of Chaos Space say?

Chaos Timeline is explicitly described as the space between universes which functions as a rift where the normal laws of space and time as we know do not apply. By its nature, it cannot be treated as part of a standard 4D universe as it is structurally distinct.

Functionally, it behaves as a fifth-dimensional axis along which universes are separated. Any movement or activity within it such as Helfilth who lives in there is stated to be wandering beyond time and space. Therefore, it is ontologically outside a single 4D spacetime.

If you mean quantitative then yes. Qualitative is for 1-A or higher.

There is nothing qualitative to it. It's just the narrative itself establishes the Chaos Timeline as a distinct, higher-dimensional space which directly supports the claim that the Demon World contains and transcends conventional 4D universes, as we can see how it treats Human World, a 4D universe, as line within it.

The cosmology is like this: Demon World = Chaos timeline > Human World and all other realms.

 

[Qawsedf234]

This is just an arbitrary rule that the mods keep repeating.

I mean, this isn't an arbitrary thing. It's a set standard and has been one for multiple years.

Otherwise can you give me examples of how a fiction would even portray such a statement about a 5th axis?

The most common one is "this space is endless in all directions" or given sizes that all axis are directly infinite like in Dungeons and Dragons.

 

[Hecky2222]

The entire structure was said to be infinite. Would you consider infinite universe as "2-dimensionally infinite but still universal-sized aka 93 billion light-years"?


I don't have any idea why this situation is any simple as that. You want me to put the author at gunpoint and ask him" "Hey, tell me if this statement is talking about uncountable, continuous, infinity on higher dimensional scale"?


Chaos Timeline is explicitly described as the space between universes which functions as a rift where the normal laws of space and time as we know do not apply. By its nature, it cannot be treated as part of a standard 4D universe as it is structurally distinct.

Functionally, it behaves as a fifth-dimensional axis along which universes are separated. Any movement or activity within it such as Helfilth who lives in there is stated to be wandering beyond time and space. Therefore, it is ontologically outside a single 4D spacetime.


There is nothing qualitative to it. It's just the narrative itself establishes the Chaos Timeline as a distinct, higher-dimensional space which directly supports the claim that the Demon World contains and transcends conventional 4D universes, as we can see how it treats Human World, a 4D universe, as line within it.

The cosmology is like this: Demon World > Chaos timeline> Human World and all other realms.

You have to chill out, Sonic. What Qawsed tries to say is Chaos Timeline or whatever can be finite space while containing multiple infinite realms

 

[Ommf_Deity]

Is it actually? Are there scans to say it is inside the Demon World?

I mean, there is. But it would require the specific context knowledge (video). Which i don't have

No, I mean is the Chaos Timeline itself significant in size?

Idk VM

 

[SuperSonicTL]

You have to chill out, Sonic. What Qawsed tries to say is Chaos Timeline or whatever can be finite space while containing multiple infinite realms

No??? He is implying it can be qualitative which is dedicated to 1-As. I'm just correcting him.

 

[HelloThere1089]

I mean, this isn't an arbitrary thing. It's a set standard and has been one for multiple years.

The most common one is "this space is endless in all directions" or given sizes that all axis are directly infinite like in Dungeons and Dragons.

Why did you ignore the rest of my comment? The standard as I am reading it, asks for a non-insignificant 4th axis. That can be fulfilled if the dimension that embeds the other dimension is called infinite.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Qawsed tries to say is Chaos Timeline or whatever can be finite space while containing multiple infinite realms

I mean if Chaos space contains multiverses and itself is entirely contained within a finite space in a larger structure, that larger structure would be Low 1-C. As you have a finite within finite space-time going on.

My point is that a light ray isn't evidence for Low 1-C.

 

[Random-Helper323]

@Qawsedf234
Okay, the Chaos Timeline not only contains multiple parallel timelines but also allows travel to the past and future, according to the OP. I also noticed this image shows it containing a celestial body. Is that considered a significant size?

I still can't get clarification on whether the Chaos Timeline is inside the Demon World. @SuperSonicTL can you help with that?

 

[Unoriginal777]

I agree with what was put on display here. @SuperSonicTL was very careful to address higher dimensional standards. Now that being said, I would like to add one small tidbit that could help what we already have here. Now it should be noted that in the context of DMC it is a rule that any dimension/space shown in the Cosmology blog inherently comes with its own temporal axis as the two qualities are intertwined in DMC. This is important because it tells us that the DW which contains various separate dimensions like the HW or Nirvana realms mentioned above, the DW would itself be a kind of larger space possessing a superior temporal axis akin to a Hypertimeline. This is not an unheard of proposition unique to PoC (not that it would matter even if it was given canonicity works in our favor but still) either given the scan that states time stopped for the DW following its sealing. This is all to say that Low 1-C DW has a lot going for it.

@Qawsedf234 I believe we have a potential argument for hypertimelines if it helps any. Not sure if it contributes much, but figured I'd throw it out there.

 

[Vietthai96]

The most common one is "this space is endless in all directions" or given sizes that all axis are directly infinite like in Dungeons and Dragons.

Lol, anyway Agnaa said to me that you don't need such explitcit statement since most fiction isn't this explicit.

 

[Ommf_Deity]

My point is that a light ray isn't evidence for Low 1-C.

Ray of light is a support rather than argument.
We stated this multiple times from the beginning of the thread.

 

[Ommf_Deity]

@Qawsedf234 I believe we have a potential argument for hypertimelines if it helps any. Not sure if it contributes much, but figured I'd throw it out there.

Sonic said he doesn't want.
Let's Keep it for other times

 

[HelloThere1089]

Petition to use AI to erase the ray of light scan

 

[Robo432343]

Ray of light is a support rather than argument.

This is just not true because op has an entire section that discusses this invalid 'ray of light' thing

The Significance​

Since we have established a proper 5th dimensional space as well as implications of its transcendent nature to back it up without any single glimpse of being part of other space-times or realms. Now, I would like to discuss why it should rightfully be significant. In this particular scan, we are met with two worlds. These are called Light and Darkness or in better terms, Human and Demon World. There are two details to note here:

1. The Darkness (Demon World) was bluntly stated to be endless in its entirety, not that it expands endlessly. There is a difference between both ideas unless we start declaring infinite universe statement as finite from now on. The raws also says it's infinite Darkness.
2. The description particularly treats Human World as a line which is essentially the same as saying it's a "slice" as per FAQ mentioned above and thus, qualify it for a lower dimensional object in comparison as lines are fundamental for defining higher dimensions in geometry and mathematics.

With this in mind, I believe it is more than enough evidence to go on with. I have no reason to expand over it from here; that's literally as simple as you can go for this. Unless, we start applying semantics to it.

If it really is a supporting thing please don't include it in the OP, its very misleading.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Okay, can everyone calm down and stop jumping on Qawsedf, please?

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I mean if Chaos space contains multiverses and itself is entirely contained within a finite space in a larger structure, that larger structure would be Low 1-C. As you have a finite within finite space-time going on.

My point is that a light ray isn't evidence for Low 1-C.

The multiverse is not in there. There are only typical space-time continuums separated by Chaos Timeline.

I mean, this isn't an arbitrary thing. It's a set standard and has been one for multiple years.

The most common one is "this space is endless in all directions" or given sizes that all axis are directly infinite like in Dungeons and Dragons.

What direction to be precise? You can be infinite in one direction and have a finite edge to it regardless? This doesn't tell me much. Can you provide the evidence that the space in question is talking about axis rather then Euclidean space?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

@Qawsedf234
Okay, the Chaos Timeline not only contains multiple parallel timelines but also allows travel to the past and future, according to the OP. I also noticed this image shows it containing a celestial body. Is that considered a significant size?

I still can't get clarification on whether the Chaos Timeline is inside the Demon World. @SuperSonicTL can you help with that?

The chaos timeline is the space within the demon world that exist between all the realms/universes/dimensions inside the demon world

It's literally the demon world, also the broken gear is what lets you travel to parallel timelines

 

[Ommf_Deity]

This is just not true because op has an entire section that discusses this invalid 'ray of light' thing

If it really is a supporting thing please don't include it in the OP, its very misleading.

Just becuz he wrote small section about it doesn't mean he uses it as an argument.
He literally stated it multiple time it works as a support

 

[Random-Helper323]

The chaos timeline is the space within the demon world that exist between all the realms/universes/dimensions inside the demon world

If that's the case it just contains Low 2-C structures resulting in insignificant 5-D. May I ask where the significant size comes from? I did notice it contains some celestial body.

Update: okay, finally I think I get all this Peak of Combat stuff.

1. So the Chaos Timeline contains the Low 2-C structures in the DW. (Insignificant 5-D)

2. The Chaos Timeline contains a celestial body of some kind. (Bigger than a planet, I think significant size requires more than that)

3. The Demon World contains the Chaos Timeline. (5-D)

4. The Demon World is infinite.

Am I getting all this?

 

[SuperSonicTL]

If that's the case it just contains Low 2-C structures resulting in insignificant 5-D. May I ask where the significant size comes from? I did notice it contains some celestial body.

There's no clear explanation to prove significant and insignificant size. it's all vibes. Even the direction stuff can be interpreted however we wish to because there is always infinity hidden somewhere between numbers.

 

[Random-Helper323]

There's no clear explanation to prove significant and insignificant size. it's all vibes. Even the direction stuff can be interpreted however we wish to because there is always infinity hidden somewhere between numbers.

I think I might finally get what you were saying with the OP.

1. The Chaos Timeline contains the Low 2-C structures in the DW. (Insignificant 5-D)

2. The Chaos Timeline contains a celestial body of some kind. (Bigger than a planet, I think significant size requires more than that; this is just there to show some size)

3. The Demon World contains the Chaos Timeline. (5-D)

4. The Demon World is infinite.

Am I getting all this?

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Update: okay, finally I think I get all this Peak of Combat stuff.

1. So the Chaos Timeline contains the Low 2-C structures in the DW. (Insignificant 5-D)

Precisely.

2. The Chaos Timeline contains a celestial body of some kind. (Bigger than a planet, I think significant size requires more than that)

Chaos timeline contains a section of it called Nightmare space where helfilth lives whose description says he wanders beyond time and space. There is nothing else to it besides different laws of space and time.

3. The Demon World contains the Chaos Timeline. (5-D)

Either that or Demon World IS Chaos Timeline.

4. The Demon World is infinite.

Straightforwardly, yes. All of it.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I think I might finally get what you were saying with the OP.

1. The Chaos Timeline contains the Low 2-C structures in the DW. (Insignificant 5-D)

2. The Chaos Timeline contains a celestial body of some kind. (Bigger than a planet, I think significant size requires more than that; this is just there to show some size)

3. The Demon World contains the Chaos Timeline. (5-D)

4. The Demon World is infinite.

Am I getting all this?

I mean, yeah pretty much

 

[HelloThere1089]

In my humble opinion, it is already very awkward to assume that a realm being stated to be infinite in size is only infinite in all but one of its spatial axes. It is more reasonable to assume it is infinite in all axes. Had it just been implicitly infinite due to containing other realms, I wouldn't have argued. But the container itself is stated to be infinite. Arguing beyond that is just being pedantic. No offense to anyone.

Edit: Like imagine a 3D universe is stated to be infinite in a verse. Then you hear some goon say "Nah bro, it's just infinite in 2 dimensions".

 

[Ommf_Deity]

Straightforwardly, yes. All of it.

Btw. you forgot to edit @Vietthai96 he fully agrees now

 

[Hecky2222]

Btw. you forgot to edit @Vietthai96 he fully agrees now

he might have changed his opinion after Agnaa's elaboration.

You should add Agnaa to disagree as well

 

[SuperSonicTL]

In my humble opinion, it is already very awkward to assume that a realm being stated to be infinite in size is only infinite in all but one of its spatial axes. It is more reasonable to assume it is infinite in all axes. Had it just been implicitly infinite due to containing other realms, I wouldn't have argued. But the container itself is stated to be infinite. Arguing beyond that is just being pedantic. No offense to anyone.

This is exactly why precision matters. Think of it like fractions or the real number line where no matter how many times you divide it, there is always more to it and thus, you'll never reach an "end." Dimensions work the same way as if a space is described as infinite then it has no bounds along any axis.

When we refer to "infinite universe", we mean all real numbers on that direction. So, if the Demon World is described as infinite, it cannot be interpreted as "infinite along some axis but not others." It is significant precisely because it encompasses the full, unbounded structure, not merely a fractional portion of it.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

This is exactly why precision matters. Think of it like fractions or the real number line where no matter how many times you divide it, there is always more to it and thus, you'll never reach an "end." Dimensions work the same way as if a space is described as infinite then it has no bounds along any axis.

When we refer to "infinite universe", we mean all real numbers on that direction. So, if the Demon World is described as infinite, it cannot be interpreted as "infinite along some axis but not others." It is significant precisely because it encompasses the full, unbounded structure, not merely a fractional portion of it.

If we are being soo interpretive then very few verse qualify for Low 1-C because details are NOT this blunt.