I mentioned this before during DMC's upgrade to 1-C, but given the demon world sees the human world as nothing but a line of light, it should be qualitatively superior enough to be Low 1-C at the very least.
That being said, I agree that the eightfold path reasoning is pretty weak, and thr 9D scan by itself means absolutely nothing so it shouldn't scale in the first place.
As Cyber and I have pointed out, I may not even be low 1-C, but I'll wait for that argument to play out more.
Welp let's have some fun.
Lets start with the manga thing.
The demon world is called as the darkness because
that is it's name, its the world of darkness, in this realm there are several dimensions (of unknown sizes) but we know that the demon world is indeed infinitely bigger than any of them including the human world or the world of light which is described as just
a ray of light in the
endless darkness that is the demon world. This isn't flowery, its literally talking about how they compare each other or in other words how big one is compared to the other.
Okay, the issue is that there is no direct comparison between the two. The demon world is endless, sure, fine. The human world is "a ray of light"; Not in comparison to the demon world, not as "a ray of light in the endless darkness", it just...
is a ray of light, without further elaboration. You're taking two separate statements and linking them in a way not written into the text in order to support your conclusion, even though nothing there actually supports it.
Furthermore one such realm is the mirror dimension, this dimension which is a
perfect copy of the human world (the human world is Low 2-C if it wasnt obvious enough) yet it is only the "entrance" to it. There are more like Mundus dimension which is an
infinitely expanding universe beyond human understanding yet it only serves as a battleground for Mundus and Dante
Basically none of this shit is flowery language. And as per the tiering system and the FAQ this perfectly qualifies for Tier 1, specifically Low 1-C:
Okay, so the obvious problem here is that none of these prove higher dimensionality. Yes, the demon world contains low 2-C structures within itself, but it is possible to do that and still be low 2-C, 2-C, 2-B... anything that isn't tier 1, really. You need an infinite difference, which has not been provided.
Low 1-C: Low Complex Multiverse level
Characters or objects that can affect, create and/or destroy the entirety of
spaces whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model (Low 2-C structures, in plain English.) In terms of "dimensional" scale, this can be equated to 5 and 6-dimensional real coordinate spaces (R ^ 5 to R ^ 6)
A.
One of the more straightforward ways to qualify for Tier 2 and up through higher dimensions is by affecting whole higher-dimensional universes which can embed the whole of lower-dimensional ones within themselves. For example: A cosmology where the entirety of our 3-dimensional universe is in fact a subset of a much greater 4-dimensional space, or generalizations of this same scenario to higher numbers of dimensions; i.e A cosmology where the four-dimensional spacetime continuum is just the infinitesimal surface of a 5-dimensional object, and etc.
You're missing a pretty big part of this paragraph my man:
"i.e A cosmology where the four-dimensional spacetime continuum is just the infinitesimal surface of a 5-dimensional object, and etc."
As I said before, you haven't actually provided an infinite size difference, so nothing else here matters. It doesn't matter if the demon world embeds low 2-C structures in itself if it is not established as being infinitely superior to them. I can think of so many verses I could wank if we actually used that logic
This would make the demon world capable of creating 9 dimensional items which as it's stated to be the entire origin of said object and on top of that it's stated to be higher dimensional. Just how 3D beings get created in 3D places. A 2D realm does not have the space within it to create or be the origin of a 3D being the primordial chaos is the origin of 9D things this should, especially when it's stated to be higher dimensional, make it also 9th Dimensional. This is according to
this thread and what the page says:
Higher dimensional beings can still exist within lower dimensional space. They just intersect with it while not fully existing in the dimensions that space lacks (eg; a 4D space can contain a 9D object, but only 4 dimensions of it). There are, of course, plenty of instances of higher-dimensional beings existing in lower-dimensional realms, whether it be by virtue of lowering their existential state to a lower dimension, or by virtue of the writers going "**** it" and not caring anymore. A mention of a 9-dimensional soul is not enough to prove that wherever that soul exists is also 9-dimensional.
Besides, think about the logistics of this for a moment. Beings with souls in DMC can exist within the human world, despite that world definitely not being 9D. Do you not see how this would create an issue if the souls were 100% legitimately higher dimensional, and you abided by your own logic as stated above? A 4D realm certainly cannot contain a 9D soul, so that should give you something to think about, at least,
Finally, you are once again ignoring how that section of the tiering FAQ still requires some degree of superiority to be shown, the only evidence of which is a statement saying that the demon world is infinite and some other place is small (not even in comparison, either). That is, again, not evidence of superiority.
Also we were told that infinite hypervolume from higher dimensional spaces qualifies for higher tiers (both in the thread linked above and
here)
which supports our perfect wank
As a side note even fodder demons see the human world as "
insignificant and like insects to them" and Arkham (a schoolar about demons and all that shit) says they are
like looking at infinite
They see humans as insignificant because they can't comprehend demons (or something like that, the translation is hard to make sense of). Similarly, saying something is "like looking at infinity" is not a literal depiction of qualitative superiority, just a way of mentioning a large gap in power or what have you.
As for the hypervolume stuff, although I am not an expert on this part of the tiering system, Ultima does specify that it has to actually be a higher-dimensional space, which is something still yet to be proven, because the main evidence of that is literally just "infinite darkness exists and also a ray of light exists".
