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Diavolo fights the hero of hyrule REDUX.

You cant

Why not?

Because link can literally Danmaku and spam sword beams that causes existence Erasure, power nullification wish can stop Diavolo's precog, teleportation and forcfield creations not only link is know to always spam Danmaku and EE at the start of a fight precognition isn't gonna be useful yes you can see the move coming but can you reat accordingly to it.


Plus power null is going to precognition and link can teleport in order to get the kill.

Diavolo's is not winning this, this link is known to spam hax's at the start of all his fight he barely use is sword in actual melee combat.

And yes this is DIC Link in his 8-C key.
 
Except Diavolo can just erase him using the powernull, and Diavolo would know when Link uses it because Link doesnt lead with it, meaning that Diavolo will see Link use it in Epitaph and erase the time that he nulls. This aint exactly hard to figure out.

And King Crimson can phase through forcefields and skip getting hit by beams.
 
Chariot190 said:
Except Diavolo can just erase him using the powernull, and Diavolo would know when Link uses it because Link doesnt lead with it, meaning that Diavolo will see Link use it in Epitaph and erase the time that he nulls. This aint exactly hard to figure out.

And King Crimson can phase through forcefields and skip getting hit by beams.
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Link resist EE so I doubt how useful it would be against him plus he as 4th wall awareness and it dosent change the fact that Link would be spamming Danmaku EE abilities, Link would also be able to hit Diavolo's stand.

Also how fast can he activate king Crimson when trying to avoid Danmaku with EE properties?
 
Link doesnt resist time erasure, nobody said anything about EE, you just outted yourself knowing nothing about Diavolo. 4th wall awareness doesnt mean omniscient.

King Crimson is thought based, and he can activate time erasure when a spray of bullets are at such a close distance to him you cant even notice any distance.

Do note ghosts and things thta can interact with spirits doesnt mean you can interact with a stand, stands are one step up from being able to interact with souls.

How fast when trying to avoid? That's where you misunderstand, he doesnt have to avoid attacks, he just deletes time itself and makes those attacks meaningless, he doesnt even have to move.
 
King Crimson can be activated with a thought, Link cannot hit Diavolo or King Crimson during erased time, the future Diavolo sees is absolute, King Crimson can be spammed. Diavolo can simply walk through the Danmaku with his abilities.
 
I tend to go on a bit of a tangent trying to explain things at time, but Tact basically just gave you the shorten version of what I was trying to say. Time erase+epitaph is a deadly combo, Link can kill Diavolo, he just never will.
 
Chariot190 said:
Link doesnt resist time erasure, nobody said anything about EE, you just outted yourself knowing nothing about Diavolo. 4th wall awareness doesnt mean omniscient.

King Crimson is thought based, and he can activate time erasure when a spray of bullets are at such a close distance to him you cant even notice any distance.

Do note ghosts and things thta can interact with spirits doesnt mean you can interact with a stand, stands are one step up from being able to interact with souls.

How fast when trying to avoid? That's where you misunderstand, he doesnt have to avoid attacks, he just deletes time itself and makes those attacks meaningless, he doesnt even have to move.
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You literally wrote "Diavolo can just erase him" how else do you want me to interpret it and yes I know habout Diavolo and how some of is abilities work in the show AND manga, but vsbattle dosent always approve all feats done in certain medium.

Also a lot of the things you say are not specified on his profile.

Also Polnareff was able to dodge Diavolo's attacks and Crimson king if I remember correctly.

Also please avoid accusing people of not knowing anything about some things when you yourself don't even know me, and didn't understand what I tried to convey
 
Polnareff didn't dodge, he tried to counter hit with the help of Silver Chariot's speed, and only because he had prior info on KC's ability.
 
Diavolo can erase him using the powernull. I want you to read 3 words past the part you quoted. Ok then you should very clearly know that when I said that I was talking about him erasing him using the null (ignoring the fact that's kinda exactly what I said).

From what I see all of it is. Do point out where exactly something I said isnt on it.

That's because Diavolo didnt attack him in that instance, in the other two instances Diavolo attacked Pol, he was crippled and was killed respectively.

I mean, I'm just saying as i see it, you obviously dont know a whole lot about Diavolo, maybe surface level but the fact remains true, not a bad thing of course but to misintepret time erase for EE is something new. I understand what youre trying to convey, and youd have a point if Diavolo couldnt just time erase it all.
 
AshenCrow777 said:
The attack is possible yo dodge https://m.imgur.com/gHaFlAF in the end it comes down to luck also there's an obvious tell of how the ability works.
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There isnt any tell, Polnareff had a decade of prep to do that, and he only did it once, because Diavolo didnt attack him in that instance because he was being cautious of Pol.

There isnt any tell. At all, the anime added a red glitch effect but that isnt seeable by others, in fact before his time erase was revealed (an even times after wards), time skips with no tell, case and point the narancia scene, the elavator scene, the fortune teller scene.
 
AshenCrow777 said:
Also Link can use the Triforce of wisdom which is actually omniscient.
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Pretty sure we treat omniscients like that as only omniscient on things within their verse.
 
The attack is possible yo dodge https://m.imgur.com/gHaFlAF in the end it comes down to luck also there's an obvious tell of how the ability works.

Obvious tell doesn't mean Link can work around it, heck he'd need to know how King Crimson works before he can know about the exploit. And even then, he doesn't have the speed for it. Only reason Polnareff managed anything was because Silver Chariot is far faster than almost every other Stand. Link isn't faat enough.
 
There isnt any tell, Polnareff had a decade of prep to do that, and he only did it once, because Diavolo didnt attack him in that instance because he was being cautious of Pol.

There isnt any tell. At all, the anime added a red glitch effect but that isnt seeable by others, in fact before his time erase was revealed (an even times after wards), time skips with no tell, case and point the narancia scene, the elavator scene, the fortune teller scene.

Giorno literally says there's a tell, I just linked the scan go see it. And yeah for the omniscient things but it dosent change the fact link can use the Triforce of wisdom to help him analyze Diavolo's techniques.
 
Link could literally recreate Polnareff dodging feat with the Triforce analyzing everything for him and relying information while Link is busy fighting.
 
That obvious tell only works if Link decides to cut open his finger and drops everything he's doing to focus on it. And given he doesnt have a stand to multitask for him, it aint gonna do much except have him put his guard down. And that isnt a tell for time erase, that's a tell for after time erase, you can onlly tell after it happens, not before or while so it doesnt change much (and Giorno utilizing the tell got his arm punched off).
 
Link doesn't need a stand when he as Triforce of wisdom to tell him everything that happens around him and can analyze the environment for him or change in space and time, plus link is extremely durable and is ap also scale higher than Diavolo.
 
AshenCrow777 said:
Link doesn't need a stand when he as Triforce of wisdom to tell him everything that happens around him and can analyze the environment for him or change in space and time, plus link is extremely durable and is ap also scale higher than Diavolo.
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How come the Triforce of Wisdom wasn't brought up until now? I'm guessing it's not in-character. Also, running an analysis on something that isn't a part of the verse, and is a power never seen in LoZ verse is NLF.
 
Why are we even continuing this? Grace has far passed and if I get screwed over for votes in a similar situation, why should this be any different?
 
How come the Triforce of Wisdom wasn't brought up until now? I'm guessing it's not in-character. Also, running an analysis on something that isn't a part of the verse, and is a power never seen in LoZ verse is NLF.

Why don't comes to show you know nothing about it its literally on his profile and if you had watch at least some DIC you would know it's in character.

"I guess this is not in character" that's borderline headcannon right there just because you are not sure of something doesn't mean you can just make up your own facts.

Also your last statement is a freaking lie and a baseless claim in order to try and calling something NFL it goes to show you lack a lot of info on the Zelda verse.

Composite Link and SS Link have a sword called the skyward Sword and it does allow link to analyze everything he needs, do people actually go on profiles to check things for themselves before writting things like you do????

Also do you know how many Link profiles there are? There's more than 10 at least with a bunch of abilities and sadly DIC Link is the most obscure one and not a lot people appreciate it hell they rather turn it into a meme.

So again don't go around claiming NFL when you know nothing about the situation, in this case DIC link as shown to use the ToW when he needs it.
 
Listentomyrhytm said:
Man, at this point we'd have to make another redux.
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Why? Diavolo has a solid 5 votes advantage and it has been more than 24h, nothing new has come so this is good to get added at this point.
 
We already went over why Precog doesn't matter, it's based off his assumptions and they've shown to be flawed. It's a very poor Precognition that wouldn't even tell him how he'd die, he'd just see he isn't there. People need to stop wanking the usage of Time Erase as well, this was very well established in the Dio vs Diavolo thread he doesn't do that. There was literally an instance earlier showing he can block attacks, then do time erasure in character. Blocking would allow him to get erased by just coming into contact with them, that's how Existence Erasure works if you didn't know. The ability becomes irrelevant if it can't happen. Even then, Diavolo mostly used Time Erase to get the jump on someone. That doesn't help when Link knows who he is fighting, has Enhanced Senses to know where Diavolo is in real time, and Diavolo can't even donut him. Causality Manipulation comes from a weak technicality, it's not applied beyond the Time Erasure and is irrelevant due to it.

Also I found funny that you are all trying to rush grace period her when in the last thread Link was winning and you tried to stop it lmao.

This is borderline spit thread no admin is gonna had any of the results if they see what's been going on here.

Grace period is not a hard rule and is definitly not a countdown to shut down a debate.

Also he doesn't spam Precog in character like with what people say but even if we say it like that, all it shows is like 10 seconds into the future. Even then, it just shows an image and Diavolo doesn't know how it happens, just has to make an assumption off of it. What he will see is him getting getting erased but he doesn't know how. He might predict it could be a beam but all of Link's weapons can literally physically, mentally, and spiritually erases your existence.

Diavolo isn't blocking Existence Erasure, especially when the profiles notes it can bypass resistances. I don't think it's impossible for Diavolo to win but it's very unlikely unless Link went hand to hand randomly.
 
Also every single weapon of Link causes EE Diavolo is not surviving anything this match is at best inconclusive and that's a stretch, also Link nearly one shots with the AP gap and when we take in consideration Danmaku I'm sorry but Diavolo won't be able to survive anything especially with Tow helping link in a fight by giving him advices and tips/information on what's going on and what to do.

And no the AP gap does not have to be 7.5x I recommend reading the rules.
 
DIC Link is hardly canon to the main series. No reason for cross-canonicity of similar stuff.

Ah yes, the canon Jojo material called the Diavolo vs Dio thread. And the reason Dio won was because of regen, not whatever you are saying. What Diavolo sees is something that is off and he will skip, not block. And the event of Diavolo getting erased itself gets erased, so it never happened. Link can throw his entire arsenal at Diavolo if he wants. Won't matter if he never hits. Link will also never be able to properly react to Diavolo since he would be what we call in fighting games "stuck in the animation". At least, he won't be fast enough to whirl around and attack Diavolo who would already have foreseen that attack and erased time immediately after the impact.

Also, I noticed that Link's 8-C+ form only lasts for 10 minutes. Diavolo can easily keep dodging and attacking for that period
 
Wow there's a lot of assumptions in your claims I find funny that you try to repeat everything said in the last thread despite in the last thread everything you said was contested and debunked, also 10 min is enough since Diavolo does not spam precog like people claim to say lmao
 
Also it might not follow the main Canon, but cross canon-canonicity is allowed since DIC goes out of its way to follow Zelda universe lore what you just said is just pure assumption with nothing to back up lol, look at hyrule warriors it does not fall in the main cannon but it follows the lore really closely hence the reason why the characters are so highly rated
 
Does this Link have precog listed on his profile?

No, he doesn't.
 
AshenCrow777 said:
since Diavolo does not spam precog
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Uh, don't know if you know this but precog is always combined with TE in Diavolo's case, he spams TE a lot and Epitaph can just be quickly looked at once activated. Not siding for anyone, just clarifying your assumption.
 
AshenCrow777 said:
Wow there's a lot of assumptions in your claims I find funny that you try to repeat everything said in the last thread despite in the last thread everything you said was contested and debunked, also 10 min is enough since Diavolo does not spam precog like people claim to say lmao
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Diavolo does spam it though? Time erase+epitaph combo is his like his main thing, the only time he doesnt spam it is when he's Doppio, and that's because Doppio doesnt have time erase, only epitaph.
 
Can anyone of actually show scan of him being able to spam and show multiple fight of him doing it a lot not just in one battle?
 
He did it when he was fleeing from being shot at by Mista.

I brought up the precog because you're straight up bringing up abilities Link doesn't have on his page. Cross continuity isn't all too much a thing for Zelda. Especially with a cartoon that was made very early on that Nintendo would like to have people forget.
 
JohnConquest1 said:
He did it when he was fleeing from being shot at by Mista.

I brought up the precog because you're straight up bringing up abilities Link doesn't have on his page. Cross continuity isn't all too much a thing for Zelda. Especially with a cartoon that was made very early on that Nintendo would like to have people forget.
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The heck are you talking about I never ever said Link had precog, please show me where I did plus all the abilities that I have actually listed are on is page are you sure that you correctly checked it not just glossed over it?

Cross continuity is a thing look at Hyrule warriors for example its not part of canon but it does reuse the same aspect of lore that is shown 9n the main series.
 
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