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Diamondhead upgrade to High 5-A ?
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1. No, he hasn't.
2. The only time Malware was defeated by Diamondhead was when he was in his second form, which is Low 7-C.
3. No, he couldn't. All he did was match Ultimate Swampfire, who is 7-A, in a clash and withstood a sound wave from Ultimate Echo Echo, which is an outlier. He was then defeated by Ultimate Cannonbolt.
4. Eon defeated Way Big with a time ray, which negates durability. Physically he is only 7-A.
5. Vilgax is 7-A.
Also, if Diamondhead was upgraded to High 5-A, then so would characters like the Highbreed, Colossus Kevin, Ragnarok, Sunder, Ultimate Swampfire, and base Vilgax which is ridiculously inconsistent with any of their feats.
2. The only time Malware was defeated by Diamondhead was when he was in his second form, which is Low 7-C.
3. No, he couldn't. All he did was match Ultimate Swampfire, who is 7-A, in a clash and withstood a sound wave from Ultimate Echo Echo, which is an outlier. He was then defeated by Ultimate Cannonbolt.
4. Eon defeated Way Big with a time ray, which negates durability. Physically he is only 7-A.
5. Vilgax is 7-A.
Also, if Diamondhead was upgraded to High 5-A, then so would characters like the Highbreed, Colossus Kevin, Ragnarok, Sunder, Ultimate Swampfire, and base Vilgax which is ridiculously inconsistent with any of their feats.
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@liger: Vilgax is high 5-a.
Echo Echo and cannonbolt are both high 5-A and diamondhead withstood their attacks (despite the fact that he is weak against sound based attacks and cannonbolt attacked from behind, catching him off guard)
Weak characters have done well against all of Ben's high 5-a aliens.
Echo Echo and cannonbolt are both high 5-A and diamondhead withstood their attacks (despite the fact that he is weak against sound based attacks and cannonbolt attacked from behind, catching him off guard)
Weak characters have done well against all of Ben's high 5-a aliens.
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1. Vilgax is only High 5-A in a form that was given to him by the Diagon, which Diamondhead never fought. As well as a form that was obtained by merging with Malware's remains. While Diamondhead did survive an attack from this form, it would be inconsistent since Diamondhead and base Vilgax are on the same level of strength. It would be ridiculous for base Vilgax to be as strong as a powered-up form that he gained by merging with Malware.
2. Cannonbolt is probably going to be downgraded to 7-A actually. Diamondhead withstanding an attack from Ultimate Echo Echo is inconsistent with his own feats.
3. Those would be outliers, and that doesn't make this any less of an outlier.
2. Cannonbolt is probably going to be downgraded to 7-A actually. Diamondhead withstanding an attack from Ultimate Echo Echo is inconsistent with his own feats.
3. Those would be outliers, and that doesn't make this any less of an outlier.
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@Liger:
Diamond head fodderized base vilgax with 0 effort.
The outlier is all of those characters doing well against diamond head if they ever did just like all the weak characters doing well against Ben's high 5-a aliens is.
How many high 5-a attacks does DH have to take before they stop becoming outliers.
Until cannonbolt gets downgraded he is high 5-a and dh scales to him.
Diamond head fodderized base vilgax with 0 effort.
The outlier is all of those characters doing well against diamond head if they ever did just like all the weak characters doing well against Ben's high 5-a aliens is.
How many high 5-a attacks does DH have to take before they stop becoming outliers.
Until cannonbolt gets downgraded he is high 5-a and dh scales to him.
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1. Vilgax withstood Diamondhead's attacks and scales to several characters who scale to Diamondhead.
2. Diamondhead has like 2 High 5-A feats while he has dozens of 7-A feats. I think you can tell what is more consistent here, right?
3. Once it becomes more consistent than his 7-A feats, which will never happen because the series has been over for years now.
4. Doesn't matter either way since Diamondhead was defeated by Ultimate Cannonbolt.
2. Diamondhead has like 2 High 5-A feats while he has dozens of 7-A feats. I think you can tell what is more consistent here, right?
3. Once it becomes more consistent than his 7-A feats, which will never happen because the series has been over for years now.
4. Doesn't matter either way since Diamondhead was defeated by Ultimate Cannonbolt.
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Also, let's look at all of Diamondhead's feats for a minute.
Tier 7 Feats
Tier 7 Feats
- Harmed a Highbreed with his crystal shards
- Fought on par with Colossus Kevin
- Harmed Ragnarok
- Fought with Sunder
- Matched Ultimate Swampfire
- Defeated Vilgax
- Withstood an attack from Ultimate Echo Echo
- Michael Morningstar, who was as strong as Ultimate Humungousaur at the time, easily destroyed all of Diamondhead's crystal shields and Diamondhead had to change to Ultimate Humungousaur in order to fight him.
- Negative Ultimate Humungousaur was unharmed by Diamondhead's crystal shards and one-shot him.
- Colossus Kevin, who is 7-A, harmed and withstood attacks from Diamondhead.
- Vilgax, who is 7-A, withstood attacks from Diamondhead and smashed through his crystals.
- Ultimate Cannonbolt, who is High 5-A and will soon be 7-A, defeated Diamondhead.
- Ultimate Swampfire, who is 7-A, clashed with Diamondhead.
- A Highbreed, who is 7-A, withstood an attack from Diamondhead.
- Ragnarok, who is 7-A, withstood an attack from Diamondhead.
- Sunder, who is 7-A, withstood Diamondhead's crystal shards with only minor discomfort.
- Eon, who is 7-A, was unaffected by Ultimate Ben's (Using Diamondhead's powers) crystals shards.
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Ultimate Ben's diamond head is already high 5-A. Eon being unaffected by his shards makes him high 5-a, lol.
He withstood an attack from high 5-a Vilgax.
He withstood the attack from ultimate canonbolt.
He definitely deserves Possibly High 5-A since according to the ap page-
Possibly
Should be used to list a hypothetical statistic for a character, but inconclusive due to lack of feats or viable power-scaling. Probability of said hypothetical statistic should also be indeterminate.
He definitely fulfills these requirements.
He withstood an attack from high 5-a Vilgax.
He withstood the attack from ultimate canonbolt.
He definitely deserves Possibly High 5-A since according to the ap page-
Possibly
Should be used to list a hypothetical statistic for a character, but inconclusive due to lack of feats or viable power-scaling. Probability of said hypothetical statistic should also be indeterminate.
He definitely fulfills these requirements.
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1. No, actually Ultimate Ben's strength varies according to what alien he is using the power of. Ultimate Ben is only High 5-A when using Ultimate Humungousaur's, Ultimate Echo Echo's, and Way Big's powers.
2. That is inconsistent as I have said several times already, as it would make base Vilgax as strong as a much stronger version of himself.
3. Ultimate Cannonbolt is going to be downgraded, so that is not a legitimate High 5-A feat.
4. He fulfills none of those requirements as all of his supposed High 5-A feats are either misinterpreted or inconsistent.
2. That is inconsistent as I have said several times already, as it would make base Vilgax as strong as a much stronger version of himself.
3. Ultimate Cannonbolt is going to be downgraded, so that is not a legitimate High 5-A feat.
4. He fulfills none of those requirements as all of his supposed High 5-A feats are either misinterpreted or inconsistent.
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1. They are from alternate timelines. Many different things could be changed between these two timelines, like the power difference between the two Ben 10,000s.
2. Alternate Timeline Ben 10,000 while using Diamondhead's powers was unable to harm Eon, whereas the present Ben was able to harm him in various alien forms.
2. Alternate Timeline Ben 10,000 while using Diamondhead's powers was unable to harm Eon, whereas the present Ben was able to harm him in various alien forms.
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Fine, you aren't going to agree to this are you ?
I still think he deserves a possibly high 5-A but I guess I can just imagine that that likely higher is referring to high 5-a.
Close this if you want, since you seem to be the only person interested in Ben 10 here.
I still think he deserves a possibly high 5-A but I guess I can just imagine that that likely higher is referring to high 5-a.
Close this if you want, since you seem to be the only person interested in Ben 10 here.
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