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Dialga vs Xeno Goku redux
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Which is more impressive, Manipulating time through a googol timelines or every possibility of timelines. The latter is more potent because it's simply affecting more. Also Chronoa not only stops time, what? She can literally attack with all time in the Multiverse, changing how time flows, and permanently fuse timelines that were unnaturally created.ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Dialga does what that's more impressive exactly? No, "rending" time is not more impressive since by the very definition of "rending", any destructive feat is significantly more impressive.
Dialga is literally no different from Infinite Zamasu by that definition, which Heroes characters can very much hit and destroy.JooCipher said:
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Let me quote you a section from Infinite Zamasu's page:JooCipher said:
"Non-Corporeal, Reality Warping, Danmaku, Intangibility, Fusionism (Was fusing with the fabric of space-time and becoming one with the universe before invading other timelines with his presence), Higher-Dimensional Existence, Large Size (Type 9), Cosmic Awareness, Self-Sustenance (Type 3)"
Yes. The answer is very much yes.
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Wasn't the whole thing about IZ was that like...no one besides Zeno could touch him?
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@Akreoius Which again, is just range, not potency.
"Attack with all the time with the multiverse."
Ok but what does this attack even do?
Dialga can literally just erase Goku with Time Warp.
"Attack with all the time with the multiverse."
Ok but what does this attack even do?
Dialga can literally just erase Goku with Time Warp.
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That's canon DB not Heroes.The real cal howard said:
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Let me quote you a section from Infinite Zamasu's page:
"Non-Corporeal, Reality Warping, Danmaku, Intangibility, Fusionism (Was fusing with the fabric of space-time and becoming one with the universe before invading other timelines with his presence), Higher-Dimensional Existence, Large Size (Type 9), Cosmic Awareness, Self-Sustenance (Type 3)"
Yes. The answer is very much yes.
huh
Infinite Zamasu is a single timeline
Dialga is literally time itself
"Non-Corporeal, Reality Warping, Danmaku, Intangibility, Fusionism (Was fusing with the fabric of space-time and becoming one with the universe before invading other timelines with his presence), Higher-Dimensional Existence, Large Size (Type 9), Cosmic Awareness, Self-Sustenance (Type 3)"
Yes. The answer is very much yes.
huh
Infinite Zamasu is a single timeline
Dialga is literally time itself
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Conceptual embodiment of time, dude. Dialga tops time screwery for a reason. Just by fighting Dialga breaks causal law.
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Dialga FRA
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That's canon DB not Heroes.
And what changed between the interpretations?
And what changed between the interpretations?
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That's canon DB not Heroes.
And what changed between the interpretations?
They fought Infinite Zamasu and hurt him, unlike canon.
And what changed between the interpretations?
They fought Infinite Zamasu and hurt him, unlike canon.
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"Type 3: Embodies an abstraction, but the destruction of the former isn't needed in order to destroy or affect them. These characters do not rely on the abstraction to survive, but thanks to their affinity with it, they are able to manipulate it."JooCipher said:
Uhh, no? They can manipulate time; that's pretty much all the "Conceptual Manipulation" thing is.
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@Akreious
No that's just range. For example, a time stop that stops all of time in the universe isn't more potent than a time stop that affects one person, the former just has more range.
Also they're both 2-B. Chronoa can't affect infinitely more timelines than Dialga, and she's never erased people.
No that's just range. For example, a time stop that stops all of time in the universe isn't more potent than a time stop that affects one person, the former just has more range.
Also they're both 2-B. Chronoa can't affect infinitely more timelines than Dialga, and she's never erased people.
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Again, that's not how timelines work mate. If someone can manipulate 100x more timelines than you, qualitavely, their ability to manipulate time is superior to yours. Unlike stopping time in a single Universe where Time is one continuous thing that's connected (A straight line), stopping time amongst many lines is indeed potency.ShadowWarrior1999 said:
No, the point is Goku can affect a being that's literally time and non-corporeal because they are time. That's all that matters here; Goku can affect a being who's Non-Corporeal via being Time itself.JooCipher said:
Goku's own Range and AP is more than enough to handle the 303 Million+ timelines of countless Universes because his Ki is demonstrated to be able to hit a being that's literally time itself.
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Note to self, never FRA without listing reasons of your own.
What even is the argument for Dialga?
What even is the argument for Dialga?
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So… is this a stomp for the best Gen 4 cover legendary?
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Having access to more timelines doesn't give you greater time hax. We just had a thread on this.
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Again, that's not how timelines work mate. If someone can manipulate 100x more timelines than you, qualitavely, their ability to manipulate time is superior to yours. Unlike stopping time in a single Universe where Time is one continuous thing that's connected (A straight line), stopping time amongst many lines is indeed potency.
It's not, that's still just range. Time stopping multiple universes isn't more potent than stopping time in just one.
And plus, Chronoa doesn't erase people from time like Dialga.
It's not, that's still just range. Time stopping multiple universes isn't more potent than stopping time in just one.
And plus, Chronoa doesn't erase people from time like Dialga.
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"Goku can't hit Dialga because Dialga is Omnipresent throughout time" (Contested)Milly Rocking Bandit said:
"Goku can't survive a Time Warp from Dialga" (Contested)
That's... honestly pretty much it. At least it's the things I was contesting for the entire page.
Also why is hitting Dialga a problem, actually? Xeno Goku was barred from going SSJ4 specifically because him turning into that form would break or severely damage Time itself; with not even Chronoa or Goku himself knowing the implications when he transforms.
Mira's Core when it went into overdrive and was going to melt down was going to blow up the Multiverse; specifically all of it (With Towa saying nowhere she went would be safe). Notably his core isn't special or anything, it's just Ki.
Why wouldn't Goku be able to harm Dialga seeing as multiple times they were threatening, specifically, Time itself?
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A lot of Dialga's profile is... very unexplained, and barren.
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Turned into a complete 180 I see. I thought you were coolMr.Cinos15 said:
Also Roar of Time GG
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O-Oh didn't see ya there Mr. President, h-how's the family?
Jokes aside just know that I actually have nothing against you guy's and honestly think you guy's are pretty cool, just annoyed at how certain things are interpreted.
Jokes aside just know that I actually have nothing against you guy's and honestly think you guy's are pretty cool, just annoyed at how certain things are interpreted.
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Ah.
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Roar of Time Spammer FRA
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I think
Maybe
Just maybe
We hit 7 votes
Maybe
Just maybe
We hit 7 votes
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Dialga has 14 votes.
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Yeah I know hahaha
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I really don't know who to vote for. While I agree Range =/= AoE @Akreious is bringing up the fair point that Goku not only should be able to make contact with Dialga but should have the AoE to do so if weaker opponents like Demigra can collapse time on a larger scale and Xeno Goku should damn well be able to take on IZ if Chronoa was worried that his strongest transformation would screw time itself by simply just existing meaning she was confident that the raw power of Xeno's SSJ4 could do just as much damage as people like Demigra and Mira, who not only were directly stated to be able destroy, collapse, obliterate time itself, but who he also was able to square up with, the former in his Base - SSJ form.............BUT I don't see why Dialga wouldn't take this either due to Roar of Time and I actually don't see much of a counter for Time warp either.
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So what's Goku's wincon? based off these FRA comments and some claiming Goku can't touch that pokemon it's a stomp.
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