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Devil May Cry Discussion Thread 7

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@Cin

Dante wasn't KO'd by the slap, just commented on how it "almost killed him" and decided to let Nero and Vergil fight, he was conscious the whole time and commented how Vergil lost.
 
Yeah I agree with that, also I remember Nero shocked Vergil about his new DT and even beat base Vergil
 
CinCameron20 said:
And Dante vs Vergil started 4:04pm and ended just after 4:27pm. About 23 minutes.

Meanwhile they can keep up long-term engagements against themselves and other demons in the demon world for over a week and keep it up with minimal rest in between.
You know, there is a big diference between fighting someone who is you equal in all and can ignore durability and on top of that doing it at MHS+ speeds and some fodder who dies if you tap him.

Even in the cutscene you see they are tired but able to one shot demons like's nobody's business.
 
D&M vs Nero aside, I am pretty sure there is better renders for DT Nero. Also, why is there no new key for Nero and Vergi?

Way for the wiki to **** up the verse just before the new game comes out *Sigh*
 
There is need of a CTR for that, also they were added after the game was released. Vergil may need a V and Urizen keys alongside his post merge one.
 
I think it's better for them to have separate profiles rather than keys. It'll make things a lot less hectic on the profile.
 
After much discussion there was no consensus about Nero's power level, so I think the most logical thing to do is assume that Nero, Dante and Vergil are equals in terms of Power for the following reasons

when Dante fights Vergil was just after he beated Urizen even Vergil says "heal your wounds Dante" and then Dante fights Griffon, Shadow and Nightimare and after that he fights Vergil again in a tough fight then Nero shows up and Dante after so much fight decides let Nero and Vergil fight while he recovers

Vergil on other hand fought on par with Dante and had the strength to fight Nero and even after fight Nero he said that he could still fight, so that fight was interrupted

And in Nero's Defense he did not fight at full power against Vergil as himself said that don't wanted to kill Vergil

So they all never fought a real 1v1 fight in peak condition, so i think safe to assume that they're equal to each other.
 
"After much discussion there was no consensus about Nero's power level, so I think the most logical thing to do is assume that Nero, Dante and Vergil are equals in terms of Power for the following reasons "

This is the most reasonable balance to strike.

"when Dante fights Vergil was just after he beated Urizen even Vergil says "heal your wounds Dante" and then Dante fights Griffon, Shadow and Nightimare and after that he fights Vergil again in a tough fight then Nero shows up and Dante after so much fight decides let Nero and Vergil fight while he recovers"

Griffon roughly tells Dante "If you had even a LITTLE bit of trouble with us, imagine your chances with Vergil" which doesn't seem to imply that Griffon, Shadow and Nightmare combined could do much to Dante canonically.

"Vergil on other hand fought on par with Dante and had the strength to fight Nero and even after fight Nero he said that he could still fight, so that fight was interrupted"

Still has to be noted that DT Nero could get in-between SDT Dante and SDT Vergil about to clash when Nero was a pretty large distance away. Even if they were 'tired' I doubt they would be that much slower. They should still be much faster than their DTs so Nero scaling between DT Dante/Vergil and SDT Dante/Vergil at a minimum should be argued.
 
Here's my draft for Vergil profile:

Spoilers
Vergil

DMC4SE Vergil
Might controls everything, and without strength, you cannot protect anything. Let alone yourself.
~ Vergil to Dante​

Yamato (V-DT) DMC4SE

Corrupt Vergil (Model) DMC4SE

Corrupt (V-DT) DMC4SE

Nelo Angelo Render
DMC5 Vergil render

That day, if our positions were switched... Would our fates be different? Would I have your life, and you mine? Let's settle this... Dante.
~ Vergil​
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Summary
This profile contains spoilers for the game Devil May Cry 5. Proceed with caution.

Vergil
was one of the twin sons born from the demon Sparda and human Eva, and is the main antagonist of Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening and a playable character in its special edition. Following the death of their mother as children, Vergil and Dante go their separate ways, with Vergil rejecting his humanity and embracing his demonic heritage, contrasting his younger brother's embrace of humanity and initial rejection of the demonic. Stoic and reserved, Vergil displays a willingness to do anything in his quest to obtain the power of his father, Sparda.

In an unknown conclusion to a confrontation with Mundus in the secret ending to Devil May Cry 3, he is corrupted and becomes the Dark Angel encountered in Devil May Cry known as Nelo Angelo (also alternatively spelled Nero Angelo). After numerous conflicts throughout the game, he is finally defeated by Dante.

He later makes a playable appearance in Devil May Cry 4: Special Editio, where he is featured in his own personal campaign detailing his actions in the city of Fortuna decades before the events of 4, and shortly before 3.

Spoilers
It is revealed in Devil May Cry 5, years after his last encounter with Dante as Nelo Angelo, Vergil had survived and is now free from Mundus' control, but is very weakened as a result. As the hooded figure who took the Yamato, ripping the Devil Bringer from his son Nero in the process, Vergil is the true main antagonist of the game after both the newcomer V and Urizen merge back together as himself, both revealed to be his human and demon halves.
Powers and Stats
Tier: At least 8-B, likely 8-A, possibly Low 7-B | 7-B | At least High 6-A, likely far higher

Name:
Vergil

Origin: Devil May Cry

Gender: Male

Age: 18 (Devil May Cry 3) | 28-29 (Devil May Cry 1) | Over 30 (Devil May Cry 5)

Classification: Half Demon, Half Human

Powers and Abilities:

Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Master Swordsma, Enhanced Senses, Soul Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, Portal Creation and Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3. Separated himself into his human and demon sides) with Yamato, Light Manipulation with Beowulf, Wind Manipulation with Force Edge (Able to create a whirlwind vacuum when thrown), Can summon spectral swords, Teleportation, Can project an Aura and increase all stats with Devil Trigger, in said form he has Immortality (Types 1 & 3), Regenerationn (At least Low-Mid, instantly regenerated from disembowelment while being significantly exhausted), Resistance to hostile Telepathy/Illusions (Broke free of a hostile demonic illusion that was able to drive normal people mad), Reality Warping, Space-Time Manipulation, BFR and Precognition (Demons are stated to be immune to The Beastheads' effects, which include reshaping reality itself, scaling from Dante)

More powerful summoned swords, Illusion Creation, Fire Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Enhanced Teleportation, Resistance to Time Stop, Mind and Soul Manipulation

All base abilities but enhanced, Matter Manipulation, Transformation into his Sin Devil Trigger Form, in said form he has Duplication (Can manifest a copy of himself) and Flight

Attack Potency: At least City Block level, likely Multi-City Block level, possibly Small City level+ (On par with Dante as he was at this time, defeated Arkham alongside him). His attacks with Yamato ignore conventional durability. | City level (Defeated Dante in their first match, but lost in the next two battles, making him stronger than Griffo) | At least Multi-Continent level, likely far higher (Stronger than Urizen and equal to Dante, fought and lost to Nero after fighting Dante). His attacks with Yamato ignore conventional durability.

Speed: Massively Hypersonic with Massively Hypersonic+ Combat Speed and Reactions (Comparable to Dante in terms of speed, and was able to react to his Quicksilver) | At least Massively Hypersonic with Massively Hypersonic+ Combat Speed and Reactions (Comparable to Dante) | At least Massively Hypersonic+, likely far higher (Equal to Dante)

Lifting Strength: Class 5 | At least Class 5 | At least Class G

Striking Strength:
At least City Block Class, likely Multi-City Block Class, possibly Small City Class+ | City Class | At least Multi-Continent Class, likely far higher

Durability:
At least City Block level, likely Multi-City Block level, possibly Small City level+ (Took numerous blows from Dante) | City level (Took numerous attacks from Dante) | At least Multi-Continent level, likely far higher

Stamina:
Very high (Fought Dante three times with no rest while constantly being bisected and still found enough strength to stand and fight Mundus)

Range: Extended melee range normally. Likely at least hundreds of meters with spatial manipulation (Dante's imperfect technique can cut the Hell's Gate from a far distance) | Varies from extended melee range to tens of meters with projectiles and attacks. | Extended melee range normally. At least hundreds of meters with spatial manipulation.

Intelligence: Gifted, extremely knowledgeable about the demonic world and it's legends and also able to master new weapons with ease. | Virtually mindless, slaving to Mundus's will, but retains enough of his combat skill to fight Dante on equal terms. | Gifted.

Weaknesses: Dangerously overconfident. His Regenerationn becomes less efficient with his stamina decreasing. | Seeing items from his past causes him pain | Same as base.

Standard Equipment:


Yamoto DMC3
Devil May Cry 3: Special Editio, Devil Arms File — Yamato: "A memento from Vergil's father. This samurai-esque sword's blade is said to cut through anything."

This is Vergil's main weapon Yamato, it's blade is sharp and decisive. It ignores conventional durability, examples of this is when Yamato pierced through Nero's Devil Bringer which was supposed to be an indestructible demonic arm. And cut open a dimensional wall to aid Dante against Arkham, and has many showings of spatial cutting. Yamato has also been shown to be capable of slicing targets dozens of meters away with ease.


Beowulf-0
Devil May Cry 3: Special Editio, Devil Arms File — Beowulf: "Flash gauntlets and greaves. This set boosts Vergil's attack and speed making him a powerhouse."

Flash gauntlets and greaves which had enough power to launch Beowulf into the air from an uppercut and slice him in half with an axe kick. It also demonstrates Vergil's skill in hand to hand combat, here are a few moves which demonstrate this. Lunar Phase and Beowulf Combo B.


Force Edge
Devil May Cry 3: Special Editio, Devil Arms File — Force Edge: "A sword magically imbued with Sparda's power. A powerful sword with great hidden potential."

A blade similar in power to Rebellion, it is the sealed form of the sword wielded by Sparda himself, Vergil dual-wields it with Yamato in combat. Vergil is capable of throwing the Force Edge with such power it creates a whirlwind vacuum and sucks any enemies in carving them up. Vergil is also capable of stabbing at tremendously high speeds with this weapon. Vergil can also use energy slashes when wielding force edge.


Summoned Swords
Devil May Cry 4, Yamato — Summoned Swords: "Summon a magical blade and fling it towards a foe, piercing the enemy through sheer force of will.

Vergil conjures a spectral sword that bears resemblance to Force Edge and launches it at high speeds against his enemies. Vergil is skilled in their usage, surrounding himself with the blades and being able to shoot them out afterward if he wants, being able to summon them to surround an enemy eventually impaling them and making them rain towards an enemy also. He has also shown that he is able of creating swords of different sizes and is able to wield one himself.

Key: Devil May Cry 3 | Devil May Cry | Devil May Cry 5

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DMC3 Vergil.
DMC5 W.Vergil
Weakened Vergil.
Gallery DMC5 Vergil DT
Concept Art of Vergil's DMC5 Devil Trigger.
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Vergil in DMC 5, featuring Yamato.
Others
Notable Victories:

Notable Losses:

Inconclusive Matches:

- It misses new misc. stuff, the stats are based on how they are currently rated, the ap, speed and lifting strength rating is based on the stomps/superiority that happened in the game.

- Not sure if Vergil separating his halves is Conceptual Manipulation, but i heard it was that.

- Nelo Angelo briefy copied Dante appearance and opened the door with a snap of fingers. Mentioned as Illusion Creation and in V, he showed Matter Manipulation.
 
Sparda and his power to take away names from demons is conceptual manipulation type 3 apparently but I don't know the details
 
Looks good.

Didn't we determine their exact age? If so their age should probably be updated as well.

And the Nelo Angelo looks like Illusion Creation.
 
Are we giving Vergil the abilities he had as Urizen since the latter is part of him or no? Because if so then he has the ability to slow down time.
 
I've also received mixed opinions on what ability Vergil separating himself in V and Urizen is, varying from Duplication to, well, Conceptual Manipulation. However, that may be due to the lack of context on these people's part.
 
I don't think it's duplication. It seems more like Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3). Considering he literally cut down his "self" and split it into to separate beings of their own.
 
Bats16 said:
Are we giving Vergil the abilities he had as Urizen since the latter is part of him or no? Because if so then he has the ability to slow down time.
It's possible that all the abilities of V and Urizen were lost in the process and the merging of both halves just restored the original self.
 
RebubleUselet said:
Would Urizen ingesting the Qliphoth fruit be relevant to Vergil's power?
Considering Urizen became part of Vergil, yes I would assume so.
 
It would have been more easier if Vergil had shown one single move from Urizen so all the abilities can be given to him but did not happened, for BFR yes if it is assumed that Vergil throws the opponent in a portal.
 
Dark649 said:
Bats16 said:
Are we giving Vergil the abilities he had as Urizen since the latter is part of him or no? Because if so then he has the ability to slow down time.
It's possible that all the abilities of V and Urizen were lost in the process and the merging of both halves just restored the original self.
Fair enough
 
@Dark: Vergil's new profile is looking sweet. Great job, dude! Just a question: I am out of touch with the verse, but didn't Dante reach relativistic speed?

So, a bit of a random thought. Back in the days of Marvel vs Capcom 3 I was a bit confused with Hiroaki Hirata's casting as Vergil in japanese, and thought he sounded too adult for 19 year old Vergil. Now, for an older Vergil, Sanji's voice is absolutely perfect XD
 
Ogbunabali said:
Also does this and this count as Matter Manipulation?
Yes, he seems to have created / later dissolved the tree from particles. For Tart yes, it's likely that speed will be upgraded from Artemis, i was basing from current stats.
 
Would it scale to everyone except lady and fodder demons

We had a devil arm of artemis in 3 and Vergil was capable of reacting to them as well. Even v can react to the copy of Artemis in his boss rush and he only has a small fraction of Vergil's power
 
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