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Devil May Cry Discussion Thread 7
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Shouldn't Nero scale to DMC 4 Dante tho? Since he did manage to hurt Urizen more than Dante did, before he got powered up.
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Regarding Dante and Nero before DMC5...
Dante in DMC1 should be "At least 7-B in base, 7-A in Devil Trigger" as he is far stronger than Griffon (who has a 7-B feat) and his Devil Trigger allowed him to defeat Mundus, who is equal to Abigail, which is in turn > Sid w/ Abi's power, which performed the 7-A feat.
The same goes for Anime dante, as he lost to Abigail in base form, and he clearly used his Devil Trigger during their final clash to instantly win.
DMC2 Dante would be "Likely 7-A in base, higher with DT, far higher with Majin DT" as he defeated Argosax in his base form, and Argosax is stated in two areas to be equal to Mundus. This scales to DMC4 Dante, who is at least as strong as he was in DMC2 since time-line change.
DMC4 Nero (Pre-Yamato) would be "Likely 7-B" as he is far stronger than Berial and Echidna (even while he's in base against the latter). After acquiring the Yamato, he should be "Likely 7-A" as he clearly became far stronger than before, easily defeated Agnus in his demon form (when pre Yamato Nero struggled to even pull his sword free from his human form grip, implying Agnus to possibly be even stronger than Nero at the time), and the fact that he was a challenge for Dante in Mission 10 despite the latter most likely holding back (he was still short of breath by the end of their fight, though).
DMC5 Nero would probably only be "At least 7-B" scaling above Pre-Yamato DMC4 self, and to be frank, he probably got REALLY lucky in landing a cut on Urizen's palm, and besides, it was superficial. Claiming he is above Sparda DT Dante because of what is most likely a fluke is pretty ridiculous. End Game Nero would scale to end game Dante and Vergil as he fought the latter and hurt the former with a slap.
Dante in DMC1 should be "At least 7-B in base, 7-A in Devil Trigger" as he is far stronger than Griffon (who has a 7-B feat) and his Devil Trigger allowed him to defeat Mundus, who is equal to Abigail, which is in turn > Sid w/ Abi's power, which performed the 7-A feat.
The same goes for Anime dante, as he lost to Abigail in base form, and he clearly used his Devil Trigger during their final clash to instantly win.
DMC2 Dante would be "Likely 7-A in base, higher with DT, far higher with Majin DT" as he defeated Argosax in his base form, and Argosax is stated in two areas to be equal to Mundus. This scales to DMC4 Dante, who is at least as strong as he was in DMC2 since time-line change.
DMC4 Nero (Pre-Yamato) would be "Likely 7-B" as he is far stronger than Berial and Echidna (even while he's in base against the latter). After acquiring the Yamato, he should be "Likely 7-A" as he clearly became far stronger than before, easily defeated Agnus in his demon form (when pre Yamato Nero struggled to even pull his sword free from his human form grip, implying Agnus to possibly be even stronger than Nero at the time), and the fact that he was a challenge for Dante in Mission 10 despite the latter most likely holding back (he was still short of breath by the end of their fight, though).
DMC5 Nero would probably only be "At least 7-B" scaling above Pre-Yamato DMC4 self, and to be frank, he probably got REALLY lucky in landing a cut on Urizen's palm, and besides, it was superficial. Claiming he is above Sparda DT Dante because of what is most likely a fluke is pretty ridiculous. End Game Nero would scale to end game Dante and Vergil as he fought the latter and hurt the former with a slap.
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I disagree with anime Dante 7-B in base, considering he very briefly entered DT and it was more of excitement rather than necessity.
And DMC5 Nero should scale to base DMC4 Dante. Lucky or not he did arguably better than Dante did on that fight.
And DMC5 Nero should scale to base DMC4 Dante. Lucky or not he did arguably better than Dante did on that fight.
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... He very briefly entered DT... which resulted in Abigail being defeated, which is why his base doesn't scale.
And DMC5 Nero didn't do "better". He got a small cut in and was promptly stomped out. Again, a fluke doesn't make him stronger than Dante.
And DMC5 Nero didn't do "better". He got a small cut in and was promptly stomped out. Again, a fluke doesn't make him stronger than Dante.
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Base Dante does scale he took attacks from Sid and laughed them off
In base he was able to match him before going DT
Also the beastheads have a low 6-B feat in the novel they are stated to be far weaker than mundus so sid with Abigail's power would scale to them
In base he was able to match him before going DT
Also the beastheads have a low 6-B feat in the novel they are stated to be far weaker than mundus so sid with Abigail's power would scale to them
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He laughed off his attacks matched his strength and for a second went into DT that completely obliterated him. At the very least they are even.
And Nero did a lot better. Not only did he manged to cut him, he managed to destroy his barrier, something Dante, Lady and Trish couldn't do together.
And Nero did a lot better. Not only did he manged to cut him, he managed to destroy his barrier, something Dante, Lady and Trish couldn't do together.
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??? "Took attacks" Sigh...... He was completely pierced from Abigails attacks, he did not block them, nor did he withstand them. They went straight through. He then clashed and used DT to overpower Abigail and win.
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The pillars went straight through him, he laughed, broke through them like nothing, didn't have a scratch on him, matched him in strength and after all of that went in DT to completely one shot him.
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Ok for starters he didn't fight Abigail he fought sid with Abigail's powers there is a difference
Dante laughed them off and called sid's Attack's child's play
Before Dante used his DT they were evenly matched in their clash
Dante laughed them off and called sid's Attack's child's play
Before Dante used his DT they were evenly matched in their clash
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Dante literally laughs and called those attacks "childsplay" and calls him dissapointing
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And also the Urizen Nero fought was stronger than the one Dante,Lady,Trish and Nero fought in the beginningOgbunabali said:
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Calling them child's play when they completely pierce his body does not suggest Durability scaling to Abi's AP.
If you're completely pierced by an attack, do you scale to the AP? No. Absolutely not.
I suggest reading up on what Durability implies. Both of you.
A man is not 9-C/B for surviving a bullet-wound or being pierced in the chest by a spear.
If you're completely pierced by an attack, do you scale to the AP? No. Absolutely not.
I suggest reading up on what Durability implies. Both of you.
A man is not 9-C/B for surviving a bullet-wound or being pierced in the chest by a spear.
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Yeah, except that isn't what happened. He literally let the pillars pierce him, laughed them off, didn't break a sweat when breaking them and didn't have a scratch on him.
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He didn't just pierce Dante, he did a barrage of punches against Dante and then pierced him.Dante was refering to both the punching and piercing when he said "childsplay".
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Looks like I have to do this step-by-step since neither of you get it.
Punches result in Dante's torso bursting open. His Durability does not scale.
Spears pierce completely through Dante's body. His Durability does not scale.
Snapping spikes takes significantly less energy to perform than breaking them head-on. Strongly unlikely for Dante's AP to scale to Sid's. And even if it did, it would only be a small margin, for obvious reasons.
Both clash for a few seconds, and Dante uses Devil Trigger to instantly win. Devil Trigger scales. Base does not.
Punches result in Dante's torso bursting open. His Durability does not scale.
Spears pierce completely through Dante's body. His Durability does not scale.
Snapping spikes takes significantly less energy to perform than breaking them head-on. Strongly unlikely for Dante's AP to scale to Sid's. And even if it did, it would only be a small margin, for obvious reasons.
Both clash for a few seconds, and Dante uses Devil Trigger to instantly win. Devil Trigger scales. Base does not.
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Ok completely ignoring that Dante literally let's that happen and doesn't even resist it at all. How can you say they don't scale to each other AP wise when they are matched in strength.
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Cus Dante is struggling against a one-arm strike from Sid in base that resulted him in being pushed back and resorting to DT. What part of this is hard to understand? He got messed up and would have died if not for his Regenerationn.
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Ok now that's a blatant lie. They were literally matched in strength and he won by going DT for a second. Not really considering he was laughing at him and calling him a joke. You are completely ignoring context and narrative.
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You are literally saying Dante is struggling even though Dante's actions and words indicate that the whole thing is nothing but a joke to him, we've seen how Dante acts against people who is near his level or he percieves is near his level, he is 90% serious and doesn't taunt and flaunt around.
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He was still durability enough to survive the attacks and get up like nothing happened
His Regenerationn didn't help him against urizen's punch
His Regenerationn didn't help him against urizen's punch
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Lady's handgun bullets went through Dante's head in DMC3. Does that mean he does not scale to regular bullets?CinCameron20 said:
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Lmfao, here we go again:
@Og - No, it's not a lie. Dante was visibly struggling. Prove otherwise. You can't. He got pierced and had his torso ruined before he used DT to finish Sid off. He could barely match a one-arm strike from Sid and opt'd to use DT. Prove otherwise.
Again, you can't.
@Die - "Dante's actions" He uses DT after being impaled and crushed. Those are his actions. "Words" mean nothing when the attacks went straight through his body. Sid isn't even near his level. Dante goes DT and ends the fight promptly.
@Jelome - DMC3 dante, who scales at 8-B at the low end and is considerably lower to even DMC1 Base Dante on here, and you're comparing Lady's guns to shooting regular bullets despite those and E&I being specifically designed to destroy demons. One shot from Dante's gun in DMC4 causes Echidna to explode, for example. "Regular guns". Get outta here with the trolling.
@Og - No, it's not a lie. Dante was visibly struggling. Prove otherwise. You can't. He got pierced and had his torso ruined before he used DT to finish Sid off. He could barely match a one-arm strike from Sid and opt'd to use DT. Prove otherwise.
Again, you can't.
@Die - "Dante's actions" He uses DT after being impaled and crushed. Those are his actions. "Words" mean nothing when the attacks went straight through his body. Sid isn't even near his level. Dante goes DT and ends the fight promptly.
@Jelome - DMC3 dante, who scales at 8-B at the low end and is considerably lower to even DMC1 Base Dante on here, and you're comparing Lady's guns to shooting regular bullets despite those and E&I being specifically designed to destroy demons. One shot from Dante's gun in DMC4 causes Echidna to explode, for example. "Regular guns". Get outta here with the trolling.
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@Cin
First off all, I'm asking you not to be rude. I present you with a non offensive statement, you come back with namecalling. Lady is tiered at 9c with normal firearms and Street level AP. DMC3 Dante's durability is tiered at at least City Block level. How does that make sense?
'One shot from Dante's gun in DMC4 causes Echidna to explode, for example.'
Do you really believe that? Come on. Not after beating her to death first.
Ultimately, you don't get our argument, if you slap Fox Deadpool with a continent level attack, do you think he'll shrug it off like it's nothing and survive that?
First off all, I'm asking you not to be rude. I present you with a non offensive statement, you come back with namecalling. Lady is tiered at 9c with normal firearms and Street level AP. DMC3 Dante's durability is tiered at at least City Block level. How does that make sense?
'One shot from Dante's gun in DMC4 causes Echidna to explode, for example.'
Do you really believe that? Come on. Not after beating her to death first.
Ultimately, you don't get our argument, if you slap Fox Deadpool with a continent level attack, do you think he'll shrug it off like it's nothing and survive that?
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Your trying to make it sound like Dante used DT because he was impaled and crushed which is not true because he was still perfectly fine before activating it and Dante's words and actions towards Abigail imply otherwise.Words literally matter here and it shows what Dante thinks about Abigail, If Dante was so outclassed from a "one-armed strike" from Sid then he wouldn't be taunting and calling him a dissappointment.CinCameron20 said:
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@Die - He still uses DT to win. If he were as strong as Sid with his base form, then 1) he would not have been so easily injured by two attacks (which would have been life threatening if he didn't have his level of regen), and 2) he would not have resorted to Devil Trigger the second he actually started attacking him.
Not even mentioning the fact that, again, Dante could not overpower Sid's one arm strike, which you seem to ignore. I'm going in circles, and you wont listen, so I am done with this argument.
@Jelome - "name-calling" Lol, what?
And Echidna wasn't exactly falling apart before Dante shot her. You act like she would have given him any trouble in the first place. One shot to the face caused her entire body to explode.
"Fox Deadpool... Continent level attack", okay first of all, you're comparing a tier 9 with only High-Mid level regens to me claiming Dante didn't tank any attacks that would only need up to High-Low to survive. Dante has Low-Mid via scaling to Vergil. And again, he didn't tank them.
If it's so difficult to understand, I'm done discussing it.
Not even mentioning the fact that, again, Dante could not overpower Sid's one arm strike, which you seem to ignore. I'm going in circles, and you wont listen, so I am done with this argument.
@Jelome - "name-calling" Lol, what?
And Echidna wasn't exactly falling apart before Dante shot her. You act like she would have given him any trouble in the first place. One shot to the face caused her entire body to explode.
"Fox Deadpool... Continent level attack", okay first of all, you're comparing a tier 9 with only High-Mid level regens to me claiming Dante didn't tank any attacks that would only need up to High-Low to survive. Dante has Low-Mid via scaling to Vergil. And again, he didn't tank them.
If it's so difficult to understand, I'm done discussing it.
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@CinCameron20
You keep pointing out Dante getting injured as if it matters, Urizen heavily out classed Dante and Dante didn't sustain injuries that were on the same level as he did with Abigail, the same goes for Dante vs Mundus and round 1 of Dante vs Vergil. You're implying the power difference between Abigail and Dante is higher than the power difference between Urizen and Dante since your using injuries to dictate the scaling.And what are you talking about Dante could not overpower Sid's one arm strike? The same one armed strike that he ran at Dante with full momentum? The scene literally shows Abigail pushing Dante back for a second and then base Dante overpowers him causing a massive damage to the area, something he shouldn't be capable of if he was so outclassed, and then Dante goes DT, finishing it quickly.It's not hard to believe Dante is that powerful considering after the anime he goes on to stomp Argosax.
You keep pointing out Dante getting injured as if it matters, Urizen heavily out classed Dante and Dante didn't sustain injuries that were on the same level as he did with Abigail, the same goes for Dante vs Mundus and round 1 of Dante vs Vergil. You're implying the power difference between Abigail and Dante is higher than the power difference between Urizen and Dante since your using injuries to dictate the scaling.And what are you talking about Dante could not overpower Sid's one arm strike? The same one armed strike that he ran at Dante with full momentum? The scene literally shows Abigail pushing Dante back for a second and then base Dante overpowers him causing a massive damage to the area, something he shouldn't be capable of if he was so outclassed, and then Dante goes DT, finishing it quickly.It's not hard to believe Dante is that powerful considering after the anime he goes on to stomp Argosax.
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Also... just real quick. Can we agree artimis' attacks aren't light speed despite being stated to be light. Since it bends and explodes.
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You can't argue otherwise due to rules so what's the point of agreement, also Artemis' s lasers doesn't explode but the balls do
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It explodes when she fires them at nero in cutscene.
(Also because a few people my try to argue theh are light speed.)
(Also because a few people my try to argue theh are light speed.)
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Slow down the intro cutscene for Artemis and you see the lasers only melt the material it hits to molten liquid, not explode, the floating balls are the ones that do that.
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So is it light then? Or no or?
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On this wiki, it's not considered light because it bends.So no.
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So I noticed a feat from the DMC anime that could give an upgrade to Lady.
In episode 4, Lady fight Trish who fires off an attack which cause a earthquake that could be felt by Dante who was quite a distance away from the church.
The mild shaking it caused should be a Magnitude of 3 at the least while a 3.5 at the most.
That should make Lady 8-C or High 8-C.
In episode 4, Lady fight Trish who fires off an attack which cause a earthquake that could be felt by Dante who was quite a distance away from the church.
The mild shaking it caused should be a Magnitude of 3 at the least while a 3.5 at the most.
That should make Lady 8-C or High 8-C.
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Because it's a demon tree far far far tougher then any real life tree.
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Yeah, the tree is stated to survive the underworld thanks to it's defensive mechanisms.You can actually see the tree protect itself if you slowly walk towards some of the roots.
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I know there's disagreement on Nero's scaling above Dante and Vergil, but is there anyone that disagrees that he at least scales to being comparable?
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