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its a cool debate
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Denji VS Yuji • (8-7-1)
- Thread starter Phoenks
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I think we need a more thematic JJK CSM match-up than the usual. Wish Choso and Power shared a Tier.
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Power is for Foo Fighters
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I feel weird about this match but eh…
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There is still time to try and convince people to change votes. Not sure how well it'd go on FRA votes tho.
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I just don’t think Chainsawman’s move set is very effective against Yuji honestly.
Yuji can stop his regeneration by targeting his heart and Yuji has an extremely high pain tolerance that would absolutely allow him to truck on through and grab hold of chainsawman’s mobile chains to make sure he can get in close for a probably one shot.
It’d basically be what Denji did to the doll devil, only in reverse
Yuji can stop his regeneration by targeting his heart and Yuji has an extremely high pain tolerance that would absolutely allow him to truck on through and grab hold of chainsawman’s mobile chains to make sure he can get in close for a probably one shot.
It’d basically be what Denji did to the doll devil, only in reverse
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Yeah… me too.
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Same I vote for Yuji
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W profile pic
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same...im gonna switch to yuji fra....
actually no
denji fra
actually no
denji fra
Zabazab
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Yuji doesn't know this, and saying it is a lot easier than actually doing it.
Due to the effect chainsaws have, effectively a limited dura neg more extreme that normal blades, Yuji is not gonna be able to tank a chansaw attack from someone stronger than him, he'll be chopped up if he doesn't dodge.
Yuji's Class 5 LS vs Pochita's Class 100 LS is not gonna let this happen, and a one-shot is not possible unless he donuts Pochita in the heart, which he is not strong enough to do.
The difference there was that Denji not only has pain tolerance, he has Type 3 immortality.
I still think nearly everything about this match is stacked is stacked in Pochita's favour, and the advantages Yuji has just aren't enough to make him winning more often than Pochita a possibility.
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Yuji is Class M. Not 5. Wrong key.
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Wait what? The last time I checked his profile he had a Class M LS for his second or third key. Wth happened?
noisyPitta
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Oh boy the Yuji comeback! Anyway I stand by my vote for Denji because I'm not gonna go against who I think would win even though I like JJK more, but this is fun to watch.
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Yuji fra
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I checked, it was actually Class G. And though it links to Mahito I think the intent was scaling him to Hanami who has a Class G feat. Either that or to scale him to Mahito and scale Mahito to Hanami who's Class G. Either way, Itadori >>> Denji in LS (His page needs to be updated badly).
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For what it's worth, I didn't think Itadori skill stomps. I just think skill plays a large role in how Yuji comes out on top. As it would let him keep up/last against Pochita, which is bad for Pochita since he'd soon realize the most effective way to take him out. And all he really needs is one Black Flash and it'd be over.
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I see him getting past it pretty easily tbh. Would just weave through em or redirect them by hitting the flat sides of the saws. I would find it weird if you think Itadori can't keep up in close quarters combat AT ALL when that's his strongest strength and the win-con you believe he has. If you think Denji just negs Itadori's main win-con, it just seems super one-sided. I would also suggest still adding you're equalizing UES so Denji doesn't die to being cursed.
Itadori's keys are hella weird. I assume that's gonna be fixed soon since I recall seeing someone saying smth about working on a sandbox for a CRT or smth. I don't really recall Itadori undergoing any special training that'd increase his skill between the two arcs though.
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It isn't that he's going to get stomped in CQC. I simply believe the advantage that comes with having multiple long-range limbs made out of chainsaws of all things, while also possessing the AP advantage, is enough for me to side with Denji.
Along with that, Yuji does have the more powerful amps and has the potential to get a few good shots in. Not saying he doesn't, just saying I don't think that's what's happening the majority of the time.
Regardless of that, he wouldn't have the experience of fighting that range of fighters he did during the arc.
So, in the key here, he would be quite a lot less prepared than he would be in the other key. I don't see him overcoming it, definitely not as easily as he did the Grasshopper Curse.
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Mmm, fair enough I guess.
Grasshopper curse was the first opponent he faced with that many arms and he still handled it that well. Sure he doesn't have the experience, but possesses the skill to deal with it regardless.
I do agree Pochita is more difficult as an opponent, but I don't think he'd be so much better than KO-Guy to reliably land a lot of hits on Itadori when he himself literally couldn't land a single hit on him despite having several advantages over him (Far longer reach, four arms, and enhanced vision). I do see Itadori dodging not all, but at least a majority of Pochita's attacks. And the attack Pochita does land, Yuji would have prepared a plan to counter and punish Pochita FOR landing the attack. All Yuji needs is one Black Flash to the torso which he can somewhat reliably tap into and one-shot Pochita.
On top of that he can just curse Pochita to death so long as they aren't specified to be equalized in OP. Which would really only require Yuji to land one hit.
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verse equalization is SBA 
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Only if the energy systems are similar enough. Two here are completely different. Not sure if Chainsaw Man would even be considered a verse WITH a "universal energy system".verse equalization is SBA
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both are pretty similar tho
both are based on human emotions and ideas
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Chainsaw Man characters don't channel an energy at all... all their abilities are fully biological or demonic om nature. You don't see Denji channeling some esoteric energy force to enhance his physicality or speed. Pochita just merged themselves with Denji's heart to give him the ability to transform. Other people make contracts, or are just devils.
JJK on the other hand actually uses an esoteric energy to enhance physicality and empower techniques.
They barely have similarities. There's similarities between the two series, but acting is if Chainsaw Man's "Universal energy system" is similar is incorrect. It just has aspects are similar. Devils in hell are born from fears. Curses in JJK are born from negative emotions in general. That's around where the similarities mostly end. And that's such a weak connection at that imo.
Zabazab
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Chainsaw Man doesn't even have an energy system, let alone a UES. Curses and Devils just have very surface-level similarities. There is nothing to equalize in the first place.
Frankly from how I read the vs Grasshopper fight, it seemed like the Grasshopper was genuinely an idiot, and I thought Yuji outstats him? I also agree that Yuji's lack of experience fighting a multi-limbed opponent in this key reduces the effectiveness of the Grasshopper argument.
I just haven't seen any skill feats that suggest he can manage to kill someone that is: stronger than him, has significantly more range than him (his Chainsaws even cut people that are further than their visual reach), will only die if his heart is destroyed, and has the combative ability to draw a 1v7 against people equal to him & include some of the greatest fighters in his verse. He'd even need to beat Pochita without taking a single notable blow, when Pochita would easily slice off Yuji's limbs thanks to how chainsaws function.
As for the LS issue, I'm really unsure what key the Class G actually applies to? He has 4 keys but only 2 listed LS values. I'm not even sure that the Class G LS should be taken into account since it's from scaling to a Class 5 character who himself is Class 5 from scaling to Yuji, who's Class 5 feat is from his 4th key.
Frankly from how I read the vs Grasshopper fight, it seemed like the Grasshopper was genuinely an idiot, and I thought Yuji outstats him? I also agree that Yuji's lack of experience fighting a multi-limbed opponent in this key reduces the effectiveness of the Grasshopper argument.
I just haven't seen any skill feats that suggest he can manage to kill someone that is: stronger than him, has significantly more range than him (his Chainsaws even cut people that are further than their visual reach), will only die if his heart is destroyed, and has the combative ability to draw a 1v7 against people equal to him & include some of the greatest fighters in his verse. He'd even need to beat Pochita without taking a single notable blow, when Pochita would easily slice off Yuji's limbs thanks to how chainsaws function.
As for the LS issue, I'm really unsure what key the Class G actually applies to? He has 4 keys but only 2 listed LS values. I'm not even sure that the Class G LS should be taken into account since it's from scaling to a Class 5 character who himself is Class 5 from scaling to Yuji, who's Class 5 feat is from his 4th key.
EldemadeDityjon
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I'm working on that sandbox it will be ready within next week.
Btw Yuji gonna lose Low 7C rating for Shibuya and Pre Shibuya arcs. So I don't think this match can even added to his profile. If anything his culling game version might get Low 7C rating but I'm not sure.
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Yuji has been shown to defend against opponents with insane range before, most notably Mahito who attacked him by changing his arms into ranged saws to kill Yuji in a confined space and followed up with a ranged drill attack which Yuji also dodged. He then dodged/parried a surprise canon spike configuration from Mahito. So even that version of Yuji is pretty skilled in fighting enemies who have non-traditional anatomy.
Zabazab
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Unfortunate.
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