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It'll be interesting to see how Demonbane compares to other 2-As in terms of VS threads at the very least.
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Demonbane 1-As downgrade
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After a quick search, it seems as though EGD never had an "Others" section to begin with.Tony di bugalu said:
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I don't think 1-As or characters who used to be 1-A ever had this section
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Probably.
We are going to have to add it soon though.
We are going to have to add it soon though.
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We should probably stop derailing tho and finally close the thread.
@YuriAkuto
All that is left is to reach an agreement regarding Kurou and Al Azif's keys correct?
@YuriAkuto
All that is left is to reach an agreement regarding Kurou and Al Azif's keys correct?
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They should probably be downgraded to either Low 2-C or 2-A tbh, since most of their "1-A feats were disproven"
Al Azif apparently has a valid 2-A feat, but I'm not sure.
Al Azif apparently has a valid 2-A feat, but I'm not sure.
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> Demonbane used to be tier 0 and stronger than CM
> Demonbane has some of the strongest 1-A's
> Demonbane has decent 1-A's
> Demonbane might only be at least 1-C
> Demonbane might only be Low 1-C
> Demonbane might only be 2-A
> Demonbane might only be Low 2-C
jesus guys you're bloody murdering them
> Demonbane has some of the strongest 1-A's
> Demonbane has decent 1-A's
> Demonbane might only be at least 1-C
> Demonbane might only be Low 1-C
> Demonbane might only be 2-A
> Demonbane might only be Low 2-C
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It'll drop down to 3-A soon enough.DarkGrath said:
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jfc, once known as the strongest mecha in fiction now reduced to beneath guko's feat
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What in the ever loving name of god happened here?
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Aight. You got me. Good joke, guys. Where's the cameras?
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Jonathan frakes telling you you're wrong for 47 seconds
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Just to make the downgrade even worse: in addition to the Kurou/Al Azif thing, since the thread was about 1-A I didn't mentionned it until the com before but: "Universe level+ (Destroyed an entire universe during its fight with Liber Legis)" seems like 3-A, and the scene didn't mentionned space-time continuum being destroyed.
Shouldn't this be also downgrade?
Shouldn't this be also downgrade?
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From what I know, we generally assume that statements of destroying the universe are Low 2-C by default. Of course this depends on whether or not there's any additional context or something similar and if the feat is actually portrayed or not.
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No, im pretty sure we do the exact opposite because going with the assumption that space-time is destroyed is an even bigger leap in logic than just going with the assumption that only matter was destroyed.
Otherwise, a bunch of universe busters would become Low 2-C first before hitting 3-A.
Otherwise, a bunch of universe busters would become Low 2-C first before hitting 3-A.
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Moving on, 3a sounds legitmate if there is no reason to assume they destroyed space-time.
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Basically just to sum up my point, if there's no context to the feat, what is the more logical conservative option to go with when it comes to universes being destroyed?
Destroying the universes matter? Or making a bigger leap in logic to a higher tier and assuming space-time is being destroyed?
Destroying the universes matter? Or making a bigger leap in logic to a higher tier and assuming space-time is being destroyed?
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You know you don't have to hit 3-A to become Low 2-C right? Especially since a lot of verses take universes as the entire space-time continuum not just the matter within it. And again, the context of the feat is important. An expanding blast that leaves empty space in it's wake is far less likely to be Low 2-C than a statement of destroying a universe in a setting where universes are already taken to refer to space-time continua.
And the actual definition of a universe does refer to the totality of space-time including natter and energy so only destroying the matter inside is actually more of an assumption than destroying the space-time as well (unless they refer to the observable universe specifically, which is just plain 3-A).
And the actual definition of a universe does refer to the totality of space-time including natter and energy so only destroying the matter inside is actually more of an assumption than destroying the space-time as well (unless they refer to the observable universe specifically, which is just plain 3-A).
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Or it could, you know, refer to higher dimensional space-time since it's still very much part of the verse despite it not being transcendental to the space-time of the individual universes. Not to mention how universes already refers to 4-D space-times in Demonbane as the Shining Trapezohedron and Klein Bottle will attest. Even more so how we'd be assuming that the multiverse that houses these universes doesn't have it's own space-time.YuriAkuto said:
The feat is Low 2-C unless they specifically refer to the matter of the universe or imply that they're leaving the universes empty.
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" it could, you know, refer to higher dimensional space-time"
You're assuming things here, while at no point higher dimensionnal space-time is mentionned during the fight, not to mention the fight is still inside Klein Bottle. I'm pretty sure we don't do this for the others series too, why would Demonbane be an exception?
There's a difference between destroying a universe, which is considered as 3-A, and creating a new one, which is considered as Low 2-C because it includes the space-time.
Also, Klein Bottle "rewind" time accross more than one universe (since it technically rewinded Liber Legis/Demonbane battle several times) and Shining Trapezohedron is said to create said universes and is considered higher than Outer Gods like Yog, so it's a bad example. Even more since Demonbane is below both at this time.
Btw, Demonbane would be High 3-A, not 3-A, mb.
You're assuming things here, while at no point higher dimensionnal space-time is mentionned during the fight, not to mention the fight is still inside Klein Bottle. I'm pretty sure we don't do this for the others series too, why would Demonbane be an exception?
There's a difference between destroying a universe, which is considered as 3-A, and creating a new one, which is considered as Low 2-C because it includes the space-time.
Also, Klein Bottle "rewind" time accross more than one universe (since it technically rewinded Liber Legis/Demonbane battle several times) and Shining Trapezohedron is said to create said universes and is considered higher than Outer Gods like Yog, so it's a bad example. Even more since Demonbane is below both at this time.
Btw, Demonbane would be High 3-A, not 3-A, mb.
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I think I'll take the one on Kurou's profile. The feat is already Demonbane's, but for some reason the person who put it like to give them to Kurou only.
Not only does this help, but Kurou/Al Azif's last key doesn't need to exist anymore with this, meaning that it also solves the question of "should we erase them?" too.
Not only does this help, but Kurou/Al Azif's last key doesn't need to exist anymore with this, meaning that it also solves the question of "should we erase them?" too.
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