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Demonbane 1-As downgrade
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Don't think the "At least" is needed here so I'd say just Low 1-C is good. The Elder God Demonbane page should also be deleted imo since it's not even from Zanmataisei but from Kishin Hishou which is untranslated and I don't thin we can tier it properly.
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Yea, Low 1-C seems good
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He is fine with Low 1-C ratings. However, he also says that he is too busy to help with applying the changes. Someone else has to do it.
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Okay. I would appreciate help with this. Proper explanations for the new statistics have to be applied for both the profiles, the Demonbane Explanation Page, and the Demonbane (Verse) page though.
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low 1-C should be good enough as it is slightly higher than what CRT has to offer
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I would appreciate if somebody asks some of the following staff members to help out here:
SomebodyData, The real cal howard, Dragonmasterxyz, Celestial Pegasus, Soldier Blue, Monarch Laciel, Saikou The Lewd King, DarkDragonMedeus, AKM sama, Wokista, Ultima Reality, Mr. Bambu, Gemmysaur, Theglassman12, Qawsedf234, Crabwhale, The Calaca, ByAsura, GyroNutz, ShiroyashaGinSa, DarkGrath, The Wright Way, Ricsi-viragosi, Ogbunabali, Moritzva
SomebodyData, The real cal howard, Dragonmasterxyz, Celestial Pegasus, Soldier Blue, Monarch Laciel, Saikou The Lewd King, DarkDragonMedeus, AKM sama, Wokista, Ultima Reality, Mr. Bambu, Gemmysaur, Theglassman12, Qawsedf234, Crabwhale, The Calaca, ByAsura, GyroNutz, ShiroyashaGinSa, DarkGrath, The Wright Way, Ricsi-viragosi, Ogbunabali, Moritzva
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My apologies if it seems I'm "necroing" this thread, but it doesn't seem that the agreed upon changes have been applied yet.
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All right. Although we really need to apply these, since they seem really important.
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Can somebody ask Sleepy (and possibly other knowledgeable members) to help us out with writing up proper justifications for the statistics in this thread that we can then use for editing the profiles?
The Demonbane Explanation Page also needs to be updated.
The Demonbane Explanation Page also needs to be updated.
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Didn't people already asked them?
The only thing that bother me is that the (only) scan for Low 1-C in this thread doesn't seems to mention any form of transcendence (the one sent by Viddugamee), which mean that using it for a Low 1-C justification seems pretty hard.
Otherwise we pretty much already have everything to make a (possibly temporary) justification for "At least 2-A" I think.
The only thing that bother me is that the (only) scan for Low 1-C in this thread doesn't seems to mention any form of transcendence (the one sent by Viddugamee), which mean that using it for a Low 1-C justification seems pretty hard.
Otherwise we pretty much already have everything to make a (possibly temporary) justification for "At least 2-A" I think.
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You should preferably ask all of the members that you know as being knowledgeable about Demonbane, including Sleepy. He doesn't have to edit all of the pages himself, but we do need some kind of outline from him.
See here for a list: Demonbane (Verse)
See here for a list: Demonbane (Verse)
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All we really need are the stats, the justification for said stats and which characters would scale.
The edits can be handled by us regular users if the staff is too busy.
The edits can be handled by us regular users if the staff is too busy.
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Isn't the justification for Low 1-C that the character trascend the space-time of infinite universes ?
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From what I see in the thread, others agreed because of the scan talking about Nyarlathotep being chaos and all. However I don't see anything saying that it transcends the Multivers.
Since the main plot of Demonbane is basically that the Court was sealed by Shining Trapezohedron, which use infinite universes, it seems kind of weird.
I think they should more be 2-As with immeasurable speed, like Sonic.
Since the main plot of Demonbane is basically that the Court was sealed by Shining Trapezohedron, which use infinite universes, it seems kind of weird.
I think they should more be 2-As with immeasurable speed, like Sonic.
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Also, here some possible justifications for the profiles:
Shining Trapezohedron: (Turn infinite parallel universes into a barrier to seal the opponent , and can also be used to create and destroy new ones)
Demonbane (Zanma Taisei) 1-A key: (Absorbed the energy of two Shining Trapezohedrons andbroke free of Nyarlathotep 's Klein Bottle)
Nyarlathotep: (Overpowering her Klein Bottle needed the energy of two Shining Trapezohedrons . Is Chaos itself from where all things first emerged.)
Yog Sothoth: (Can alter the entire multiverse. Encompasses all of space and time , including past, present, and future)
Azathoth: (All of creation is part of his dream, and his awakening will cause everything to vanish. Everything in the world is Azathoth. )
However his durability justification should just disappear or be changed to something else, since the "unable to be killed" isn't true because of Vortex Blaster killing him.
Liber Legis can keep his current justification.
And the others profiles are either so bad that they need more than this or just based on something else in the case of most of the pilotes (Kurou's feats are mecha's ones).
Shining Trapezohedron: (Turn infinite parallel universes into a barrier to seal the opponent , and can also be used to create and destroy new ones)
Demonbane (Zanma Taisei) 1-A key: (Absorbed the energy of two Shining Trapezohedrons andbroke free of Nyarlathotep 's Klein Bottle)
Nyarlathotep: (Overpowering her Klein Bottle needed the energy of two Shining Trapezohedrons . Is Chaos itself from where all things first emerged.)
Yog Sothoth: (Can alter the entire multiverse. Encompasses all of space and time , including past, present, and future)
Azathoth: (All of creation is part of his dream, and his awakening will cause everything to vanish. Everything in the world is Azathoth. )
However his durability justification should just disappear or be changed to something else, since the "unable to be killed" isn't true because of Vortex Blaster killing him.
Liber Legis can keep his current justification.
And the others profiles are either so bad that they need more than this or just based on something else in the case of most of the pilotes (Kurou's feats are mecha's ones).
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I personally never had an issue with 1-A Demonbane. From what I read I think transcendence over space-time / dimensions was heavily implied and suggested.
The Light Novels do have an 1-C feat even at the most lowballed when Mars Demonbane gets really friggin' big.
Outer Chaos / Outer Voids, Higher Dimensional Planes and other things are also suggested and there's also concepts from Theosophy used.
The Light Novels do have an 1-C feat even at the most lowballed when Mars Demonbane gets really friggin' big.
Outer Chaos / Outer Voids, Higher Dimensional Planes and other things are also suggested and there's also concepts from Theosophy used.
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Would you mind elaborating?
I think some of this would surely be enough to suggest transcendence over space-time, but I'm not certain about dimensions, and that'd be far more important to properly justify a 1-A rating.
Higher Dimensional Planes and Voids don't really mean much on their own, and simply using concepts from Theosophy doesn't seem like it'd be enough evidence on it's own (after all, many CRTs attempting to scale fictional figures based on the meanings behind real life concepts have been rejected before).
If they have a 1-C feat when lowballed that they can be scaled to, then that's probably fair for an "At least 1-C" rating. But it doesn't seem like there's that much that's been mentioned so far that would justify a 1-A rating.
I think some of this would surely be enough to suggest transcendence over space-time, but I'm not certain about dimensions, and that'd be far more important to properly justify a 1-A rating.
Higher Dimensional Planes and Voids don't really mean much on their own, and simply using concepts from Theosophy doesn't seem like it'd be enough evidence on it's own (after all, many CRTs attempting to scale fictional figures based on the meanings behind real life concepts have been rejected before).
If they have a 1-C feat when lowballed that they can be scaled to, then that's probably fair for an "At least 1-C" rating. But it doesn't seem like there's that much that's been mentioned so far that would justify a 1-A rating.
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I'm pretty that just "suggested" isn't enough for 1-A. We refused a tons of them for reasons more clear and legit than Demonbane.
Even more with the new "criterias" for rating and Demonbane leaving a lots of things vague or using them as figure of speech more than half of the time.
It was agreed that the LN shouldn't be used, but yeah Mars Demonbane has a possible Low 1-C feat (altough not translated from the main source).
I agree with Dark on the rest.
What we need the most are the feats themselves and concrete explanations I think.
Even more with the new "criterias" for rating and Demonbane leaving a lots of things vague or using them as figure of speech more than half of the time.
It was agreed that the LN shouldn't be used, but yeah Mars Demonbane has a possible Low 1-C feat (altough not translated from the main source).
I agree with Dark on the rest.
What we need the most are the feats themselves and concrete explanations I think.
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I guess Yuri's justifications seem fine for said profiles. "At least 1-C" seems fine too.
Though we will still need input on the explanation page.
Though we will still need input on the explanation page.
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I will try to ask him.
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I can bring some sense here.
I was searching twitter and found this
Dude asked Úï╝Õ▒ïÒé©Òâ│ (author of Demonbane) that is EDG a beyond concept of spatial dimensions, and author answered that he is not (bcs he didn't remember his series good)
After this user attached this scan and asked again.
So authod missed context or just translated it bad, but later he accepted his mistake.
All in all, this scan is about spatial dimensions, so 1-A tiering should be stayed.
I was searching twitter and found this
Dude asked Úï╝Õ▒ïÒé©Òâ│ (author of Demonbane) that is EDG a beyond concept of spatial dimensions, and author answered that he is not (bcs he didn't remember his series good)
After this user attached this scan and asked again.
So authod missed context or just translated it bad, but later he accepted his mistake.
All in all, this scan is about spatial dimensions, so 1-A tiering should be stayed.
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