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I am uneasy about using a twitter post to support 1-A Demonbane, however I would love to hear everyone else's opinion on this.
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I could probabaly reword it to fit better with the new tiering if that's alright. Something like:YuriAkuto said:So it would mean removing this whole part?
"Finally, the Outer and Elder Gods exist beyond the entirety of existence, transcending dimensional space and time, causality, all concepts, all information, existing in the primordial Chaos from which all originate. As further evidence of this, Nyarlathotep is capable of effortlessly creating Klein Bottles, which are Infinite-Dimensional Multiverses, in which entire universes comprised of infinite space and time are no more than infinitesimally small particles in a higher-universe, which itself contains its own infinite space and time, and the cycles perpetuates infinitely.
The highest Outer and Elder Gods, Yog-Sothoth and Elder God Demonbane, are so immeasurably above regular deities that those are to them like humans are to gods, with the former being the totality of existence, nonexistence and of the primal chaos, rendering all lesser deities infinitesimally small portions of him.The latter contains the sleeping dream-self of the creator Azathoth as his power source."
"Transcending dimension" is Low 1-C without further context, and apparently Nyarlathotep embodies a void of nothingness beyond the space-time of the multiverse, so that'd be Low 1-C as well.YuriAkuto said:Btw, fthe rating we're going to give, I'm not sure which scans are supposed to prove Low 1-C in the thread, it looks 2-A to me.
Isn't this better for "possibly 1-C"? It was still at a time where Klein Bottle was a thing if I remember where it was said. Some characters (like Dormammu or Jean Grey) just have a "possibly Low 1-C" for more than this.Ultima Reality said:"Transcending dimension" is Low 1-C without further context, and apparently Nyarlathotep embodies a void of nothingness beyond the space-time of the multiverse, so that'd be Low 1-C as well.
Just wanna mention something, there's also the fact that Dormamu's Dark Dimension, which he has full control over, is stated to be dimensionally superior to 6.3-D spaceUltima Reality said:Dormammu and The Phoenix are possibly Low 1-C because they scale to someone who has a feat that is very likely to be at that level, but is still vague enough to leave some room for doubt.
@Ultima, Ogbunabali, Julian, Matthew & DarkGrathPlanck69 said:I could probabaly reword it to fit better with the new tiering if that's alright. Something like:
"Finally, the Outer and Elder Gods exist beyond all of existence, transcending space and time, causality, all concepts and all information, existing in the primordial Chaos from which all originate. As further evidence of this, Nyarlathotep is capable of effortlessly creating Klein Bottles, which are self contained multiverses with infinite parallel space-time continua.
The highest Outer and Elder Gods, Yog-Sothoth and Elder God Demonbane, are immeasurably above regular deities, with Yog-Sothoth being the totality of existence, nonexistence and of the primal chaos, rendering all lesser deities infinitesimally small portions of itself and Elder God Demonbane containing the sleeping dream-self of the creator Azathoth as his power source."
Yes. Though with your opinion about the wording, can it go something like this?Super Saiyan God Julian said:For the record, I assume this would go on the explanation page correct?
That'd just mean said weapon is Low 1-C as well. It being at this tier and having a 2-A feat aren't mutually exclusive, much less contradictory in any way.YuriAkuto said:At the time of the statements and given that 2-A is something from the strongest weapon before the Demonbane who killed Azzy, it seems weird for Nya to be above it. Also can't this work for 2-As with immeasurable speed?
Depends. There is a stark difference between being untied from and/or outside of time with no other context (Immeasurable Speed at best, Acausality at worst) and trivializing both concepts entirely (Low 1-C at the very least if dispayed in contrast with a 4-dimensional reality), the latter of which seems to be the case with Demonbane.YuriAkuto said:Also can't this work for 2-As with immeasurable speed?
Please no derailing.N Kardashev said:So how far into 1-A were these guys considered? Would they have match any of the DC's 1-A?
Wait, I was actually nearly wanking this, because Demonbane/Liber Legis transcending stuff (physics/time/space) actually refers to them going at FTL speeds or them creating dimensional quake.Ultima Reality said:Depends. There is a stark difference between being untied from and/or outside of time with no other context (Immeasurable Speed at best, Acausality at worst) and trivializing both concepts entirely (Low 1-C at the very least if dispayed in contrast with a 4-dimensional reality), the latter of which seems to be the case with Demonbane.YuriAkuto said:Also can't this work for 2-As with immeasurable speed?
Planck69's proposal should be good for this.Antvasima said:I think that the regular Demonbane (Verse) page has an explanation that needs to be updated as well, if I do not mirsremember.
That would be nice.YuriAkuto said:I could also bring others scans to show why the statements of transcending without context in Demonbane shouldn't be considered as directly Low 1-C, especially since the statements were before Demonbane's absorption of the Shining Trapezohedrons.