Deltarune: Note the Note

[Minion_of_Pigsaw]

At the bottom of every Darkner page, there is a note regarding matches with them:

Note: VS Matches involving a Darkner should only be made inside their compatible Dark Worlds, as said characters cannot exist outside of them.

I think it's redundant to put this in every page. It would be better to remove it from the pages and add it only to the verse page.

Edit: Upon further investigation, I now think it's better to delete the note entirely.

 

[Therefir]

I agree, it should be removed and relocated.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Yeah, this should be fine

 

[Imaginym]

At the bottom of every Darkner page, there is a note regarding matches with them:

I think it's redundant to put this in every page. It would be better to remove it from the pages and add it only to the verse page.

What makes it redundant? Info on their profile? The term Darkner?
The stuff on the Verse Page? Some users may not check that... but admittedly, I don't often feel great about catering to the assumptions of unfamiliar users acting in knowledge-lacking ways.

On a technical level, being on every profile could be argued as a small amount of profile/data bloat....

I also wonder. Do we have any precedent for stuff like this in other verses, where there's profiles for beings that can only exist in certain locations/environments?
Examples, please?
Do we note such things for those profiles?

Apologies if anyone minds me being so questioning about this.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Here's a tip from a 41K post guy who's been at least trying to make profiles since before 0: treat the person reading your profile like an idiot and you'll find few issues.

I can say that most people who'd be looking to even use a Darkner in a match would not even look at the verse page for longer than it took to find the character they wanted, if at all, assuming they weren't already aware of the caveat to them, so sticking it in the verse page does basically no good.

 

[Minion_of_Pigsaw]

What makes it redundant? Info on their profile? The term Darkner?

The fact that it's on every single Darkner profile.

The stuff on the Verse Page? Some users may not check that... but admittedly, I don't often feel great about catering to the assumptions of unfamiliar users acting in knowledge-lacking ways.

Here's a tip from a 41K post guy who's been at least trying to make profiles since before 0: treat the person reading your profile like an idiot and you'll find few issues.

I can say that most people who'd be looking to even use a Darkner in a match would not even look at the verse page for longer than it took to find the character they wanted, if at all, assuming they weren't already aware of the caveat to them, so sticking it in the verse page does basically no good.

First of all, if someone's making a match with a Darkner, then they probably know Deltarune well enough to know that Darkners don't work outside their preferred Dark Worlds. Also, for maximum point-out–ability, basically the same thing is written in the "Weaknesses" section.

Besides, VS Battles Wiki is no stranger to tucking really specific stuff where no one would see it.

I also wonder. Do we have any precedent for stuff like this in other verses, where there's profiles for beings that can only exist in certain locations/environments?
Examples, please?
Do we note such things for those profiles?

Now that I think about it, yeah, I don't know why that note should be here. As far as I care to look, GodlyCharmander added it to the profiles in November 2022, with no CRT I was able to find with a cursory search on the forum, and they've just stuck around ever since. Also, VS Battles in incompatible Dark Worlds could very well work, since Darkners take a while to turn to stone, and VS Battles in the Light World would just be stomps, and thus not allowed:

In the red corner, we have the king of Monsterkind, hellbent on taking human SOULs to break free from the Underground and destroy humanity, King Fluffybuns himself, ASGORE DREEMURR! And, in the blue corner, we have... a playing card on the floor.

 

[DaReaperMan]

First of all, if someone's making a match with a Darkner, then they probably know Deltarune well enough to know that Darkners don't work outside their preferred Dark Worlds.

Knowing this fandom? No. No they will not.

Also, for maximum point-out–ability, basically the same thing is written in the "Weaknesses" section.

Then ditch the note entirely and go into a bit more detail.

Besides, VS Battles Wiki is no stranger to tucking really specific stuff where no one would see it.

Just because that is wrong does not mean we have to be wrong

 

[Minion_of_Pigsaw]

Then ditch the note entirely and go into a bit more detail.

Yeah, that's probably for the best.

 

[Therefir]

Honestly, don't our Standard Battle Assumptions already cover cases where the character has to be in a specific place or time to make use of their full power? Even if a paradox such as it being nighttime for one character and daytime for the other has to occur?

It's like having to put in all SAO profiles that the characters only have those powers in the game world and therefore only battles in the game world are allowed. The note is straight up useless and a waste of space.

 

[Minion_of_Pigsaw]

Bump

 

[IDK3465]

Here’s a thought, why do we restrict Darkner fights to Dark worlds?

I mean, if we are normally just applying reality equalization to them, why can’t we just have a hypothetical scenario where they can properly enter the real world? Vs debating as a whole is a complete hypothetical, and we do have fights between virtual/in universe fictional characters fighting real characters in a real place already, why are we forced to follow the rules of the verse when we are having them fight characters from a different one entirely?

Like, can you just imagine a theoretical device or something that brings things from Dark worlds into reality? What’s stopping you from doing that?

 

[Minion_of_Pigsaw]

bump

 

[Minion_of_Pigsaw]

bump

 

[Therefir]

I will go ahead and remove the notes, I doubt it was even applied with a CRT in the first place and it comes from a misconception about vs matches needing to be in a specific location for them to work, ignoring things like verse equalization.

Even SAO characters don't have that note, and it's automatically assumed the battle will take place in a reality where the character is as its full strength.

 

[Minion_of_Pigsaw]

I suppose this thread can be closed, then?