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Debunking Bill Cipher's 2-A tier + Axolotl downgrade
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And repeated counter-arguments abound.
It's not a high-end interpretation to assume that a statement regarding Bill endangering the multiverse , said in the context of a "dimension erasing" scene, means...just that. It's basic Occam's Razor that trumps wild guessing.
It's not a high-end interpretation to assume that a statement regarding Bill endangering the multiverse , said in the context of a "dimension erasing" scene, means...just that. It's basic Occam's Razor that trumps wild guessing.
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Would be so down to see Simon vs Bill, though, personally xD
But yea, no. 2A is best thing we'll get ideally
But yea, no. 2A is best thing we'll get ideally
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Its not that people can't joke around. It's just versus debates have no importance in this discussion. It's a discussion of getting Bill Cipher's tier correct not if he can then beat Archie Sonic, Asriel Dreemurr etc.
It just seemed from what you said that you were upsetting Bill supporters but if that wasn't your intention that's ok, just try to be a bit more careful next time
It just seemed from what you said that you were upsetting Bill supporters but if that wasn't your intention that's ok, just try to be a bit more careful next time
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I wonder, getting back to the topic here.....shouldn't we make a third key for Bill, then, to accommodate the 2A?
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I guess we should.
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Not really. We're still deciding on 2-ADziga said:
Shadow and others don't think there is enough evidence for it while Kep, myself and others do
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Bill won't be getting a third key. Either he will just be Low 2-C or at best "At least Low 2-C, possibly 2-A."
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"With Dimensional Rip/Axolotl's powers"Dziga said:
That's IF we consider a third key.
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We should've settled for "Likely 2-A" the first time around instead of unnecessary extension, in all honesty. Cause the word "Likely" is still giving more credit than the word "Possibly".
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Even Kep agreed that the rip is just Low 2-C.
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That wasn't his reasoning for 2-A Bill thoughShadowWarrior1999 said:
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Because of the multiverse statements, not the rip specifically.
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As long as it's "Likely/Possibly 2A" instead of straight up 2A, the proof via statements holds up better for the former instead of the latter.
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There's also getting rid of Axolotl's immeasurable speed.Dziga said:
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Before The First Lady tries ripping me a new one for my unintended previous aggression, I'm gonna ask...are we gonna take any account into Bill's final moments of borrowing Axo's powers in a final "F--- all of you" moment? Or is that another case of where "likely/possibly" is more accurate? Cause it's been stated again and again, we never got to see Bill actually wipe out or control sh** on a 2A level because he was put down before he can show that he can do so.
One more question: Is Axolotl scaling from Bill or no?
One more question: Is Axolotl scaling from Bill or no?
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I'd personally suggest that. I rather not be dragged into another thread where I look like I'm purposely ******** on Bill again.Dziga said:
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well guess reality least Bill downgrade scale to Low 2-C/2-A.
bruh.
bruh.
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Huh? Can you restate that again?Jimboydejuan12 said:
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"exists in the time and space between time and space"Dziga said:
BRUUHHH xD
Yea, definitely Unknown.
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idk yep getting more comments in Threads.
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@Dragopenting Don't mind him. Jimboy isn't good with English.
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There's no reason for it to go lower than Low 2-C, though.Steven Pogi Paitao said:
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I'll state this once again so that people don't jump me for being aggressive again(yes, I'm exercising more caution here).
I'm okay with any one of the two valid-looking choices: "likely 2-A" or "possibly 2-A". They're the two choices where the 2A statements would hold up the most with.
On a side note, I'm not exactly sure about the straightup upgrade on his Dura.
I'm okay with any one of the two valid-looking choices: "likely 2-A" or "possibly 2-A". They're the two choices where the 2A statements would hold up the most with.
On a side note, I'm not exactly sure about the straightup upgrade on his Dura.
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Probably either likely or possibly due to scaling to the AP and that he would more than likely survive the destruction of the multiverse if he could do it
Also sorry Drago for getting up you before. It was not my intention
Also sorry Drago for getting up you before. It was not my intention
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It's all good now, man.TheArsenal1212 said:
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Eh, at this point I don't care about what we rate Bill's durability as.
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