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Does Ragna vs Sol count as inaccurate because Blazblue has up to 2-A soul hax but can Sol resist?
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DEATHBATTLE! Accuracy Scale [READ RULES FIRST!] (Limit Reached)
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Very much inaccurate, yes. Ragna should have destroyed Sol.
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Sorvoe, you're harsh as ****, bro. I only take the animation into account. I only hold grudges if the fight was terrible (like Bomberman VS Dig Dug, probably the worst fight ever.
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The animation was rather good though, right?! I mean you've got to love it when Ragna screams INFERNO DIVIDER!!!!TitanCrusher101 said:
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If I had to give two cents about two fights in season I think they didn't do a good job:
-Cloud vs Link: While who would win is very debatable (I mean, we consider Cloud the clean cut winner, but the result can get pretty blurry and vary a lot depending on where you go), I think neither fighter was made justice. They straight up made up weaknesses for Cloud, such as being a dumb fighter or being vulnerable to Holy weaponry because of his Jenova cells or giving Cloud a very powerful armor but ignoring its effects completely in the analysis; and they granted Link's win on very iffy reasons such as how the Golden Gauntlets would stop Cloud's strength despite not even calculating Cloud's power (and as Vergil vs Sephy shows, he did have a strength feat to bypass them), having the Target Lock-On equate to Bullet Time, having aerial combat on par with Cloud, etc... without actually using or mentioning Link's actual strengths, such as his insane arsenal, his different powers and abilities, or simple commenting how a composite Link has huge amounts of knowledge and experience, not that Cloud is stupid.
Essentially it feels the outcome was more of a headcannon to piece together the scenario rather than the natural outcome of research on those two, after limiting both to their bare basic equipment.
-Superman vs Goku: I can't say much about the winner given I know little of Superman, but they did a pretty flimsy job with Goku's abilities such as using a speed feat from the beginning of the series, despite how Dragon Ball openly shows how becoming stronger makes you faster, and considering a very inconsistent lifting feat to measure his destructive power. Then, in order to make things more fair they used lesser feats for Superman, hindering the Man of Steel's display as well, didn't they? As shown in Goku vs Superman 2 where they pulled much more impressive feats.
-Cloud vs Link: While who would win is very debatable (I mean, we consider Cloud the clean cut winner, but the result can get pretty blurry and vary a lot depending on where you go), I think neither fighter was made justice. They straight up made up weaknesses for Cloud, such as being a dumb fighter or being vulnerable to Holy weaponry because of his Jenova cells or giving Cloud a very powerful armor but ignoring its effects completely in the analysis; and they granted Link's win on very iffy reasons such as how the Golden Gauntlets would stop Cloud's strength despite not even calculating Cloud's power (and as Vergil vs Sephy shows, he did have a strength feat to bypass them), having the Target Lock-On equate to Bullet Time, having aerial combat on par with Cloud, etc... without actually using or mentioning Link's actual strengths, such as his insane arsenal, his different powers and abilities, or simple commenting how a composite Link has huge amounts of knowledge and experience, not that Cloud is stupid.
Essentially it feels the outcome was more of a headcannon to piece together the scenario rather than the natural outcome of research on those two, after limiting both to their bare basic equipment.
-Superman vs Goku: I can't say much about the winner given I know little of Superman, but they did a pretty flimsy job with Goku's abilities such as using a speed feat from the beginning of the series, despite how Dragon Ball openly shows how becoming stronger makes you faster, and considering a very inconsistent lifting feat to measure his destructive power. Then, in order to make things more fair they used lesser feats for Superman, hindering the Man of Steel's display as well, didn't they? As shown in Goku vs Superman 2 where they pulled much more impressive feats.
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@Titan: I know Ragna's status as a 2-A is rather recent due to newer revisions, but was he considered a low 2-C when the fight with Sol came out?
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We're not taking into account how hated matchups are. Superman V Goku would be last place if we did. It was a close fight, Superman easily wins against Base Goku, but gets destroyed by stronger versions.
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2-C VS what a 4-A? He still stomps.
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Eh? I am not talking about how disliked the Goku vs Supes matchup its, I meant that underplayed a lot both fighters, and had inconsistencies that I am surprised they didn't consider (base Goku shoves people through several buildings and giant rocks repeatedly, yet they still went with 40 tons), and how they actually chose to downplay Superman to give Goku a better display. Then again, if I am mistaken, just let me know.
The fight wasn't close though, Goku was horribly outmatched as their results show (I am speaking of their standards, btw, not our site's stats). I really don't mind Goku losing, or even being stomped, but how that decision was made is what I think was mishandled. Not complaining about the animation (where the fight was portrayed as pretty close), it look incredible and while it has aged a bit, it's still an absolute blast to watch.
That's my question regarding Rags: was Ragna a low 2-C back then? If he wasn't a low 2-C did he became one with material that came after their Death Battle or by taking a second look at what already had came out? If he was upgraded with a game that still wasn't released back then we can't really hold it against Death Battle. But if he was, then I agree, Sol would have badly lost to hax.
The fight wasn't close though, Goku was horribly outmatched as their results show (I am speaking of their standards, btw, not our site's stats). I really don't mind Goku losing, or even being stomped, but how that decision was made is what I think was mishandled. Not complaining about the animation (where the fight was portrayed as pretty close), it look incredible and while it has aged a bit, it's still an absolute blast to watch.
That's my question regarding Rags: was Ragna a low 2-C back then? If he wasn't a low 2-C did he became one with material that came after their Death Battle or by taking a second look at what already had came out? If he was upgraded with a game that still wasn't released back then we can't really hold it against Death Battle. But if he was, then I agree, Sol would have badly lost to hax.
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It was clearly done badly, but it doesn't deserve to be the most hated. It's no where near the most inaccurate compared to the bottom. At least it even was a close match and not a terrible stomp like the lower entries.
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I agree with you, though. The hate is mostly due to both Goku and Superman's popularity and how deeply admired they both are, had Goku won we would have the same mess but with the sides reversed.
I am not arguing it should be low on the list BTW, nor that it was one of the worst researched battles, I am simply giving my two cents on why I thought it wasn't well done research wise. I apologize if it seemed otherwise.
I am not arguing it should be low on the list BTW, nor that it was one of the worst researched battles, I am simply giving my two cents on why I thought it wasn't well done research wise. I apologize if it seemed otherwise.
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The hate also comes from Supes being "limitless."
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Yeah, NLFs in general are a pet peeve. IMO, Superman gets the worst of it because his case was the most open about it, while the others were more implied than stated or it applied to a specific aspect of them.
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Yeah. Especially since Superman's NLF was a lie outright. The book of infinite pages is finite and Superman didn't lift it.
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Since Supes and Cloud were mentioned, would Ragna be able to destroy them too?
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Where would Ragna vs Sol be placed though?
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You mean in a straight up fight? I can't speak for Supes (especially a composite one), but Cloud is absolutely no match for Ragna. Or you mean their Death Battles in the ranking?Hagane no Saiyajin said:
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In a straight up fight?
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My bad, I misunderstood your question. When you asked if Ragna would be able to destroy Superman and Cloud I didn't get if you meant that if Ragna's Death Battle was worse than theirs or you were asking if Ragna would defeat them if they fought.
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Ragna doesn't beat Sol, guys. He gets blitzed and one-shot.
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>_>
I had forgotten speed is not equalized in Death Battle matches. And I could have sworn Rags had 2-C durability or that it was being discussed in a thread. Rags still has a ton of Immortality types though. I'll be honest, I am pretty lost in his hax wall to really make a case pro or against the guy.
I had forgotten speed is not equalized in Death Battle matches. And I could have sworn Rags had 2-C durability or that it was being discussed in a thread. Rags still has a ton of Immortality types though. I'll be honest, I am pretty lost in his hax wall to really make a case pro or against the guy.
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Can't oneshot and blitz something that doesn't existThe real cal howard said:
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How do you blitz an omnipresent?
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I believe it came out in 2011...Sorvoe551 said:
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Keep in mind that the first Goku Vs Superman would technically be the GT version Vs Post-Crisis. Which would be a 3-B against a 4-B.
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That's a huge stomp, sure, but we have bigger ones.
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GvS 1 was 3-B vs 4-B
GvS 2 was 3-A vs 5-A
gg
GvS 2 was 3-A vs 5-A
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GvS 2 is clearly in the top 10 worst, I'm not sure about the first one yet.
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LMAO. When our wiki works better than a community's own homepage ƒÆÇ
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Even before DBS was out, Beerus was still stated to be 3-C in the japanese version of the movie. And GvS 2 did use the character design from New 52, but I think it was technically still Post-Crisis in terms of abilities; or they composited N52 and Post-C.
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Their fault for rushing into it to make some easy cash. They should have waited. They even said "we don't exactly know much about Goku at this point but Superman is the clear winner here." lol that gets me everytime.Js250476 said:
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Allow me to point out that if Carol wins, we're putting it as one of the lowest. They would be saying Android 18 >>> Shazam. I would laugh my ass off.
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And most of those feats aren't even feats aren't really feats with others not being that impressive. I know it was Post-Crisis Superman's PL but they did compose him with Post Flashpoint and various non-canon versions of Superman.
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