DEATHBATTLE! Accuracy Scale [Part 3] | Part 4: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:3692177

[ZephyrosOmega]

the irony is that paper mario isn't even given the pure hearts

 

[Sorvoe551]

So looking over Beast and Goliath, it's extremely close. Both have about the same AP, durability, stamina, and reaction speed. Both should have the same level of experience and similar ranges. Goliath's main thing is that he can fly (kind of) to give him mobility. However, Beast runs and jumps much faster than Goliath and is way smarter. I think Beast should have won, but it'll require further analysis

 

[Theuser789]

Mario vs Sonic 2: As much as it pains me to say, using purely game stats and giving Mario basically his entire powerup arsenal (which I thought was bullshit, but whatever, it wouldn't have changed much), Mario absolutely destroys Sonic long before Super or Hyper is even thought of being brought out. He hits so much harder, has so much more hax, and is way too fast (which is basically what DB said). Due to the criminal lowballing of the math, that's why Mario vs Sonic 2 is in Right, Bad, which is the section of the list we're working on right now.

I sadly agree with everything except Mario having more hax, they are pretty equal on that since alot of power ups have similar functions in a actual fight outside of plataforming

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Do you guys think well see a Winter Soldier vs Red-Hood?

 

[Schnee_One]

We will eventually, DB loves Marvel vs DC

 

[The_Calaca]

That's a great thematic fight too.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

or Punisher vs Red-Hood

 

[TitanCrusher101]

Red-Hood vs Punisher was ruined for me by the BS that is Super Power Beat Down.

1. Jason takes it easily

2. Winner determined by votes? Lol **** off.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Mario vs Sonic 2: As much as it pains me to say, using purely game stats and giving Mario basically his entire powerup arsenal (which I thought was bullshit, but whatever, it wouldn't have changed much), Mario absolutely destroys Sonic long before Super or Hyper is even thought of being brought out. He hits so much harder, has so much more hax, and is way too fast (which is basically what DB said). Due to the criminal lowballing of the math, that's why Mario vs Sonic 2 is in Right, Bad, which is the section of the list we're working on right now.

Yes, Mario stomps in base, but in DB they didn't make Sonic or Mario stay in Base forms, Mario was given the power star (not pure hearts), and Sonic transformed into hyper sonic, who is above 2-C super sonic. Mario with power star is 3-C iirc

 

[TitanCrusher101]

Yes, Mario stomps in base, but in DB they didn't make Sonic or Mario stay in Base forms, Mario was given the power star (not pure hearts), and Sonic transformed into hyper sonic, who is above 2-C super sonic. Mario with power star is 3-C iirc

THE ANIMATION IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT ONLY. IT DOES NOT DETERMINE HOW THE FIGHT WOULD TURN OUT WHATSOEVER.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

I feel like we've explained that a million and five times already

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

You do realize that the animation has nothing to do with how the fight would actually go down, right?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

THE ANIMATION IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT ONLY. IT DOES NOT DETERMINE HOW THE FIGHT WOULD TURN OUT WHATSOEVER.

Yes, but in death battle they always get to their strongest forms they use in the battle. So it will be Hyper Sonic vs Power Star Mario. Also, if assuming they'll be bloodlusted in DB, both would probably transform immediately, and then sonic stomps and blitzes.

Also, Chill down. Even if you explained it a million times already, that doesn't give you any rights to be rude.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

THE ANIMATION IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT ONLY. IT DOES NOT DETERMINE HOW THE FIGHT WOULD TURN OUT WHATSOEVER.

Yes, but in death battle they always get to their strongest forms they use in the battle. So it will be Hyper Sonic vs Power Star Mario. Also, if assuming they'll be bloodlusted in DB, both would probably transform immediately, and then sonic stomps and blitzes.

Also, Chill down. Even if you explained it a million times already, that doesn't give you any rights to be rude.

That's not at all how that works.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

So how does it work?

 

[Sorvoe551]

It's not in character for Sonic to transform immediately, bloodlust or no, so he would be dead long before thinking about becoming Super or Hyper

 

[Theuser789]

In character no bloodlusted yes

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Why would Bloodlusted Sonic won't transform immediately? When Sonic is Bloodlusted, he'll try to kill his opponent as soon as possible, and that means also to transform (this applies to Mario too since he's also bloodlusted)

All of the DB matches are done with the characters being bloodlusted, as the characters always aim for the kill. The only reason why they don't transform immediately (when a character has transformations) is for entertainment purposes

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Also, even when not Bloodlusted, Mario isn't really the type of character who inmediately goes straight for the kill

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Why would Bloodlusted Sonic won't transform immediately? When Sonic is Bloodlusted, he'll try to kill his opponent as soon as possible, and that means also to transform (this applies to Mario too since he's also bloodlusted)
All of the DB matches are done with the characters being bloodlusted, as the characters always aim for the kill. The only reason why they don't transform immediately (when a character has transformations) is for entertainment purposes

If both of them are bloodlusted then Mario still slaps Sonic before he can think to transform

And no, DB matches aren't done with bloodlust. That isn't true at all. It removes restraints on killing, but specifically states at the end of every match that outside of that rule, characters' personalities are represented as accurately as possible.

 

[Sorvoe551]

Directly from the rules of the Death Battle Wiki:

• Pacifist combatants will not have their peaceful nature interrupt the fight, and both combatants will have any personality restraints from killing removed.
• All other traits will be represented with accuracy based on the combatants' canon universes. In addition, all consistent and canon sources available during the time of the episode's release will be examined by the hosts.

There's no statement in the rules about fighters being bloodlusted, so that argument falls apart

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Already told that Sonic would immediately transform when Bloodlusted, and Mario will as well.

So maybe it should be put in the middle, since Mario stomps when in character, but Sonic stomps if bloodlusted

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Street Fighter was downgraded, the characters are all City level now with no calc, Tekken has a calc for which is nearly 80 megatons of TNT(City level+) and Akuma feat is accepted as Large Town level

 

[Sorvoe551]

None of the matches ratings are based on whether the characters are bloodlusted or not. We determine the accuracy based on DB's rules. It says in the description for the thread "We know that DEATHBATTLE! has changed their rules," so we had to judge some battles differently accordingly

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Are DC Characters the only characters that are baseline 2-B?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

What were their previous rules?

Also, doesn't DB usually compare their chatacters in their strongest form? For example: In Goku's vs Superman, it was SSJ4 vs. Post Crisis (superman had no form changes there, later it was SSJB vs Post Crisis), Same goes for Shadow vs. Mewtwo (Super Shadow vs. Mega Mewtwo Y), and Naruto vs. Ichigo (I know that Naruto transformed, no idea about Ichigo though)

 

[Sorvoe551]

Their previous rules was basically composites vs composites. And while they do that, they never have the fight start out at max level, they always build to the final forms in both their breakdowns and animation. There have been examples where the speed gap is so large that they've stated in their breakdowns that it could be ended long before their best forms were brought out

 

[Theuser789]

If both of them are bloodlusted then Mario still slaps Sonic before he can think to transform

No because Mario would still have to actualy travel that distance since his speed comes from reactions and combat and not travel, while he is doing that Sonic transforms and as seen in Generations the emeralds protect Sonic when transforming

 

[Sorvoe551]

Again, no bloodlust

 

[Theuser789]

I know, just responding to that particular comment, also bloodlusted Sonic would spam time stop/slow making it even easier to tranform

 

[MJF6219]

Glacius Vs Sub-Zero is a stomp for Glacius, He's got way higher AP then Sub-Zero.

Venom Vs Bane Is a stomp in Venom's favor. He has way higher Ap, durability, speed, and Regenerationn.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Their previous rules was basically composites vs composites. And while they do that, they never have the fight start out at max level, they always build to the final forms in both their breakdowns and animation. There have been examples where the speed gap is so large that they've stated in their breakdowns that it could be ended long before their best forms were brought out

Isn't it still composite vs composite? Since they always power up the characters to the max even if it could ended sooner

 

[TitanCrusher101]

Yes, it's always composite vs composite, as long as everything is canon.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

So in that case, it's strongest form they use for one charactee vs the other strongest form of the second chatacter. So in the Sonic vs Mario 2018, it would be Hyper Sonic vs Power Star Mario

 

[TitanCrusher101]

Pure Hearts vs Hyper Sonic. And he slaps.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

We discuss the accuracy of the DB match, not a hypothetical match between them. They did not used Paper Mario or The Pure Hearts, and they did not scaled Sonic's Solaris feat.

Based on their forms that were given in the battle, Sonic used his Hyper Form and Mario used his Power Star Form, and in that case, Sonic stomps.

I do agree though that if DB would include the Pure Hearts, Mario would easily win

 

[Sorvoe551]

I meant composite of every single version of the character ever, not the most popular version like now. And again, when does Normal Mario get Pure Hearts when it only shows up in Super Paper Mario? Finally, the fights don't go final form vs final form, it builds up to that and in several cases the breakdown reveals the fight could have been ended long before the final form is brought up

 

[Mephistus]

The should be taking into account Paper Mario's incarnation n feats for 2018. They bothered to feature Paper Mario's incarnation in the 2011 one which should carry over.

https://youtu.be/3aq_dOLFmxA?t=143

They ignored the Pure Hearts tho, items Mario could choose from seemed to not be his whole array lol.

 

[TitanCrusher101]

Based on their forms that were given in the battle, Sonic used his Hyper Form and Mario used his Power Star Form, and in that case, Sonic stomps.

Dude, I'm not going to say it again, the battles are only for entertainment. Realistically, Mario slaps Sonic right away in their base forms, fight over.

 

[Sorvoe551]

I don't think giving Mario his hammer counts as counting any RPG Mario or Paper Mario