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Death Battle Season Ten Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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ZeNoviceArtist
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Hey, thoughts on Poison Ivy vs Viridi
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Fresh idea
lol
... When is Death Battle Season 11 beginning? They do not want to suffer from early Season 10 right?
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"No, you don't get to end this! I'm ******* Adam! I'm the ******* man, and you're just some ******* clown or something. I started everything on Earth! All of mankind came from these ******* nuts! You all should be worshipping me, you ungrateful, disgusting, ******* losers!"
" "Hatred"? "Revenge"? I don't need any of that. There is no reason why. Is there any man that needs a reason to protect his own children? "
" "Hatred"? "Revenge"? I don't need any of that. There is no reason why. Is there any man that needs a reason to protect his own children? "
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Didn’t the Hazbin final turn Alastor into a jobber?
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Last a checked Ivy might win
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He was able to fight a top tier while his power was restricted (Its been mentioned earlier the he's restrained by a contract of some sort as it mentioned in episode 5 that even he is on someone's leash and in his last song of Season 1 he talks about desiring freedom). Alastor able to keep up with Adam using pure skill and his strength was enough to have the angle worried.
Basically
Lucifer > Charlie Full Demon >= Adam > Alastor >>>>> Rest of the cast
Basically
Lucifer > Charlie Full Demon >= Adam > Alastor >>>>> Rest of the cast
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"No, you don't get to end this! I'm ******* Adam! I'm the ******* man, and you're just some ******* clown or something. I started everything on Earth! All of mankind came from these ******* nuts! You all should be worshipping me, you ungrateful, disgusting, ******* losers!"
" "Hatred"? "Revenge"? I don't need any of that. There is no reason why. Is there any man that needs a reason to protect his own children? "
Why does Hazbin Adam look like a college frat guy
Kirbonic_Pikmin
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Kazuya has no fair matchups after the buffs anymore lmao. I will simply settle for what goes the hardest and I think Yujiro is peak and you can sell him harder than you can sell most other Kazuya opponents imho.
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Iori, heck even Rugal can be sold and you can at least wank them high enough to seem closer, unlike Yujiro, Wesker and others of sort
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I think once you start analyzing the extended arsenal that Eggman starts pulling more advantages than not. Metal Virus, Sage hacking & analysis/simulations, Time Eater, Phantom Ruby cloning & warping, the new Super Eggman form that’s equal to Super Sonic in strength, Cloning Machine from Fighters, Planetwide Mind Control Beam from Runners, and his sheer quantity of high stat mechs give him a massive advantage over Bowser on the whole imho.So, Bowser vs Eggman. Time to analyze with logic that other VSW users likely won’t like teehee
If you want my opinion with very strict rules? Then I can see Bowser winning. Simply because Eggman mostly just gets Eggmobile then. Now, I never thought about how Eggmobiles work, but I guess IDW says that single Eggmobile has multiple weapons? Alrighty then. And then Bowser is also limited to just basic fire, projectiles like hammers & spike balls and Giant transformation. Really simplistic for both. So, it comes down to their stats.
Mario & Sonic stats are a mess, so Imma pull a DB Capeshit MU logic here, they are probably close tbh. At low ends, they have continental-planet stuff via Bowser castle punch & Sonic breaks Little Planet chains (Sonic fares better here I think?). At mid ends they both have survived black holes (Mario fares better here I think?). At high ends because everyone is universal, they are universal because Mario survives dimension destructions and Sonic survives feat similar to Popeye (Sonic fares better here unless you use Galaxy 1 nono feat, then they might tie I think?) . Even speeds are same enough since both travel across universe in Clown Car & Eggmobile.
But using narrative story logic, Bowser edges enough here. Mario needs to use Bowser’s attacks against him or team up with Luigi to beat Bowser often. Eggman on the other hand can struggle vs Sonic. So even if the gap is as small as 2x, I feel like standard Eggmobile likely loses to standard Bowser more often than not.
But while I could use strict harsh logic, lets be real. DB will not use these. So, I will use extended weapons & armies like practically anyone else who reads this post would use. And Eggman wins with those more often than not.
Now, to pull DB logic ala FriezaMegatron/BatmanIronMan, if Eggman loses with standard Eggmobile, how can he avoid that? Well, he has ways to survive that. Even if you think Eggman can’t outrun Bowser long enough, he has jetpacks in himself for good maneuvering. Thanks to Frontiers tie-in comic, we also know that he has decoys that can control mechs for distractions. Heck, while I think Eggrobos using mechs like Time Eater is a stretch, they could use his standard mechs. Bowser could face Egg Dragoon, Death Egg Robot & Egg Emperor, all without them being piloted by Eggman. And finally, he could even be at his space stations, which he has several and he could fire star destroying or just world-shattering laser piss. So, this losing scenario isn’t even guaranteed.
This also means its unlikely Eggman himself would be hit my Bowser’s magic transmutation. Heck based Ultraguy himself said in Eggman vs Wily blog that higher end Eggman forces are just immune to transmutation hax. One of the fabled Bowser wincons is actually just a con.
Bowser’s other fabled wincon is better argument tbh, his sealing magic. Unlike transmutation, this feels like much better argument. Unfortunately, it kinda also can be avoided via same logic that Eggman can play zoning game much better. He can fight at range where sealing won’t be surefire win.
…But how often would Bowser even use that kind of magic? A lot of even newer DBs use character personality traits as a factor in battles. And the fact is, Bowser is kind of a brute. Now, he isn’t idiot, this isn’t S3 DB that uses cartoons, but Bowser absolutely prefers to punch his opponents or burn them. Trying to say that Bowser wins more often than not with magic is like saying Bill Cipher isn’t arrogant and only has tunnel vision. Aka very misleading. So, Bowser’s best wincons are something he likely wouldn’t use too much.
Now, Eggman also has serious issues with not defeating Sonic whenever he could. He could have killed him years ago. But unlike Bowser, we actually have gotten explanation here. Eggman wants to beat Sonic in his own way to prove he is superior. If he wanted to kill him, he would have carpet bombed him years ago. Bowser is not Sonic, so he would not care to crack the planet if he wanted to be done with Bowser.
Also yeah, IDW is canon nowadays. Retroactively arguably, but still canon.
Aww geez, guess it’s time to talk about their armies? They have so many troops I feel like I could miss out a lot here. Both have a lot of troops, so numbers game is probably equal. Stats are equal enough with stronger troops at minimum, even giving Kamek that Star lvl Raven feat, Metal Sonic could arguably get even Universal shit. Or you could believe that Petey Piranha solos every single Eggman troop. It’s a mess again. You could argue Boos can be intangible, but in Sonic 3 Eggman has captured ghosts in his capsules and in SA2 Knuckles could fight ghosts. So Boos also wont solo Eggman’s Army either. Now, apparently Captain Goomba has ability to negate special skills, so I have seen that that Goomba would also solo Eggman. That surely is an opinion, but I have not seen that skill been used in big enough range for it to matter. Now, Bowser’s troops do resist mind control, so Eggman can’t use that. That’s open and shut.
Eggman does seem to have better army control even against that. Again, via his Super Laser Piss, Eggman could wipeout a whole lot of Bowser’s army at once. Destroying stars gives you stupid big range. IDW also gives him Metal Virus which helps against most of the army. And thanks to Sage being a thing, she could control even berserk Zombots. Also Bowser’s Airship Armada. I have been neglecting Bowser’s best ship, the Galaxy Generator, but we have not seen it weaponize its Galaxy creation. Its best feat is threatening Rosalina’s observatory, far cry from blowing up stars.
Bowser does have Fury Bowser, the hype form. But if you think Bowser is universal, what does Fury Bowser actually give? Jack ******* shit lol. In fact, it could likely be detriment since Bowser is even more mindless in that state, making it even less likely that he’d use his magic wincons to beat Eggman.
Now, Bowser himself likely resists Metal Virus & possibly even Eggman’s BFR moves. Technically both can also time travel if you want to be technical. Eggman also has a machine that can make copies of enemies, but tbf, if you that Mario Party 3DS game, Bowser can use magic bubbles to create copies of Eggman’s troops as well.
Both Bowser & Eggman have a lot of shit to throw at each other, but I will now be bit spiteful to Mario fans and say one thing I clearly saved for last.
Phantom Ruby go brrrr
Sure, Bowser can copy some opponents, but Phantom Ruby can clone thousands of troops, potentially at Universal level too. And even if Bowser can handle BFR, Null Space could also be used to deal with Bowser’s troops.
For longest time I did have a hunch that they could give Bowser the Star Rod and make him invulnerable. But Phantom Ruby has hurt invulnerable Super forms, so it can likely bypass that.
Dream Stone scaling has been used to make Bowser Multiversal in base, but even this ******* shit can be replicated via PR. PR has fought Super forms and Base Sonic has beaten PR powered Infinite. This loop scaling is shit but both can have them.
Also, both Mario & Sonic cosmology can be argued to say “dreams are universes” so they likely get same stats again.
I used to be vary of some Eggman Mechs being scaled to Super forms, but PR allowing Super Eggman to match Super Sonic is kinda blatant. And with this Eggman gets immeasurable speeds. Yeah, there is no stopping immeasurable train via Solaris feat. Fact is, Super form traveled to past and future. without specifically time traveling. Even if its just specific points of time and not abstract concept time, its immeasurable. Time Eater feat might also support this.
Aww geez Im hitting 1500 words at this rate, time to wrap up.
BOWSER
+Likely stronger than base Eggmobiles
+Sealing magic is effective
+Resists a lot of hax
-Army is vulnerable to Eggman’s hax
-Army is inferior to Eggman’s in numbers
-Prefers to fight without using magic
-Fury Bowser is even more berserk
-Likely inferior vs peak Eggman
EGGMAN
+Can match Bowser’s power at peak
+Much faster at peak
+Significantly more powerful troops to use
+Can control battlefield better via destruction or BFR
+Can answer a lot of Bowser’s options
+Unlikely to mess up like against Sonic
-Very vulnerable outside of mechs
-Bowser can copy Eggman’s hax
That’s why I think Eggman wins via extended weaponry. Bowser can beat Eggmobile, but Eggman can survive such encounters. Bowser has wincons, but he prefers fighting without them. Fury Bowser especially makes it even more unlikely. Eggman’s army is likely to overwhelm Bowser’s army. At peak, Eggman matches Bowser and absolutely is faster than him. Bowser’s army being defeated means he has to eventually deal with Eggman’s army as well on top of Super Eggman. It is far more likely that Bowser gets overwhelmed by Eggman than that he uses sealing magic at specific time.
Or maybe you think Petey Piranha solos Eggman’s Army shrug
Mini-analysis over :V
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To be fair, technically you can argue for Bowser that he resists Metal Virus due to funny RPG status immunity item, Bowser also copying enemies via magic bubbles and Bowser's minions being immune to mind control due to their unyielding loyalty.
But the numbers game is still in Eggman's favor since he can summon thousands of troops at once, Bowser never has summoned that much. Ant-man had ants being a big numbers advantage vs Atom, so its kinda like that here too. Bowser never has had range as big as "destroying multiple stars at once" either.
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Meanwhile...
Will Death Battle make a Kagurabachi Death Battle episode once its anime comes out?
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Honestly may make a comparison in who makes the most sense visual wise to match Kazuya
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Depends on how massively popular it becomes
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Forgot to mention, Kazuya had the same issue even before Tekken 8/7, most of his opponents couldnt stand up to him, the recent games just further added more layers
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Would any of the dudes he threw off the cliff in his Smash Ultimate reveal trailer work as decent opponents for him? Can't remember any of them (Except Kirby but that's just not a good MU) so dunno how good a MU they'd be.
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He threw Ganon, Captain Falcon, FE character, Pit and the girl with stretchy arm
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Apparently this is from the OPM mobile game, Espers are hella buffed by this
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"No, you don't get to end this! I'm ******* Adam! I'm the ******* man, and you're just some ******* clown or something. I started everything on Earth! All of mankind came from these ******* nuts! You all should be worshipping me, you ungrateful, disgusting, ******* losers!"
" "Hatred"? "Revenge"? I don't need any of that. There is no reason why. Is there any man that needs a reason to protect his own children? "
Does anyone wish Record of Ragnarok and Hazbin Hotel be better known?
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Huh, yeah guess none of these are particularly great fights either. Maybe Ganon and Falcon could be kinda decent, former isn't even remotely a hand to hand fighter but personality wise is decently close and he also has demonic powers, latter is a hand to hand fighter but that's about all he has in common and you'd have to use stuff like Smash Bros and the F-Zero anime for him since in his own games he doesn't do anything besides racing.
I mean Pit's not awful either IG? He's at least got the angel vs devil gimmick going on there.
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honestly ignore the stomp factor
who can actually play off his Devil Forms and the escalation factor ?
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Yujiro imo
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I mean they are well better known but the two series got shafted by unfortunate mean (Hazbin Hotel and the overhate on the creator, and RoR with Netflix being Netflix)Does anyone wish Record of Ragnarok and Hazbin Hotel be better known?
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Isnt he also stronger stat wise? Or that Ganon version used isnt crazy
Smash Bros gotta go both ways if he gets it
Unless the vs wiki stats downplay him, Pit is not even close to Devil Jin own feat in power
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Was that confirmed or is just speculation? I mean, I suscribe to that theory as well. Really hope that Alastor has more to offer after being so hyped in the story. B
ut the freedom he speaks of could simply be not being bound by a contract to begin with. And I really hope it doesn't turn out the opposite and Al's entire power are thanks to the contract, it's already kind of a bummer that every new major character is royalty, heaven, lovecraftian horror,Uchiha, that word of god says outstrips sinners and by extension Alastor in power.
ut the freedom he speaks of could simply be not being bound by a contract to begin with. And I really hope it doesn't turn out the opposite and Al's entire power are thanks to the contract, it's already kind of a bummer that every new major character is royalty, heaven, lovecraftian horror,
Because, hooooh boy, he pretty much is in every possible sense.
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This is why we need to shill over Kamen Rider Kuuga vs Kazuya Mishima, both are equal with their strongest form are reached the peak of planetary level
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That version of Ganondorf is Multi-Continent level or really high into Small Planet level depending on how you wanna interpret the moon drop from Skull Kid. Going for the High 6-A ends for both I think he ends up coming up short compared to what Devil Jin did in his ending (Albeit not too far behind), same with the tier 5 ends since Ganondorf hovers around 25 Zettatons whereas Kazuya would be above 50. Although he also has Low-Godly regen so the AP gap wouldn't matter anyway. The new Ganon from Tears of the Kingdom tho could easily nuke Jupiter several times over if he really felt like it.
There is a 5-A upgrade in process that would prop Pit up to 40 yottatons, but yeah current stats he falls way behind of Devil Jin (Albeit he also has an insane speed advantage and has some hax that I don't think anyone in Tekken has shown to be able to resist).
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Garou imo would play it off on both especially with Cosmic Garou included, use Tekken 8 and Saitama vs Garou fights as reference
Can reference the squared punch, the ars vs joseph esque scene in the story, they fly to other planets, could reference the destructions from OPM, top it off with finishing it in human form like T8, if animations after fights were still a thing, in case Kazuya wins, have him drop Garou off a cliff, if Garou wins idk what scene works for human one, perhaps one something he done to one of the heroes
Dust_Collector
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Hold up I think you're cooking here
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Arent Kamen Riders more powerful then tier 5
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I see
What are the haxes? space time stuff? reality warping?
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Dust_Collector
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Mostly Black Holes and Transmutation
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How's that blog going
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I mentioned before Yujiro has no answer to Getting lasered to death and shit and doesn't match the scale of a Tekken top tier
Eh Garou without cosmic makes a lot more sense cosmic Garou feels way beyond Kazuya and devil Jin scorching the planet ain't matching Cosmic Garou abilities and scale
Monster Garou vs True Devil works alot better
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Garous cosmic form kinda does ruin any fun MU with him
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