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Death Battle Season Ten Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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Maybe try asking them directly? Instead of just constantly posting on a thread that, admittedly, gets plenty of comments a day.
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Kazuya Mishima vs Yujiro Hanma stocks should go up imho….
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The outerversal stuff for goku and superman was weird and wrong af
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Directly fought with and was stated to be as powerful as Super Sonic, and had a lot of reality affecting abilities that were like a souped up version of what the Phantom Ruby can do. Manifest dreams into reality and seems like he would have overwritten reality with his own overtime. He does have a limitation in that his stamina is relatively low in the form.
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Eh idk Yujiro mu should be with characters who can match his scale
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What's the longest discussion thread, cause we're reaching 800 pages soon
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Do u think it should be added in the fight
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Wait, you can do that? I thought Mods/Admins had their DMs closed?
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Eggman prep time FRA
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Bleach or OPM thread
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They probably don't have enough content for a whole episode, but the contrast between these two is so great that it would make for a good DBX
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I... don't actually know. I assumed you could, but I've never had a reason to contact a mod/admin, so I don't really know.
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Life's been boring without Death Battle. Not because of the fights or anything but because I can't read salty anime / comic grease balls fighting in the comments like it's ww3.
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I swear I’ve seen this exact comment 3 times before on both Reddit and Twitter. Deja vu
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When has he done this?
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Thanks, Gokuman 3.
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Honestly, my main problem with Death Battle is that someone ALWAYS has to die in it. In no world do I believe All Might and Might Guy would sacrifice their lives to try and kill each other. It's not accurate results imo. Even the coolest endings like Jonathan teaming up with Nezuko, was never followed up on. Woulda loved to see more of that, but I can see why they didn't do it. 8-A Jonathan was crazy tho, lol.
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He'd probably make a cameo in Nezuko vs Alphonse, unfortunately Nezuko loses that
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Fastest rela feat in Tekken on this site is 11% or such, but high tiers reacted to that point blank in T8 story, so Kazuya in base should upscale, there is also feats like Yoshimitsu and Heihachi to actual light/laser that are speed of light so im pretty sure Kazuya in base upscales very high, especially past a 30%, which is like a x2 difference only, not even huge to argue a blitz
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Even if you wanna entertain the idea Wesker is faster then base Kazuya, as i said earlier, regeneration that regrows limbs and repairs brain dmg should be a big counter to the virus, resident viruses never dealt with characters with such regen which succeeded to be infected
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I wonder if Kazuya vs Wesker would even be in Top 20 most stompy DBs :V
If you use extended weaponry & are fair to both, Eggman should beat Bowser. You have to like use Tier 1/Outerversal Mario-Kun scaling to make Bowser win which is way too wrong.
But since that MU came up now, I should try to do mini-analysis for it soon.
If you use extended weaponry & are fair to both, Eggman should beat Bowser. You have to like use Tier 1/Outerversal Mario-Kun scaling to make Bowser win which is way too wrong.
But since that MU came up now, I should try to do mini-analysis for it soon.
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Hohoho we shall see if this will be surpassing Bill Cipher vs Discord in fight quality
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And see if this surpasses Cole MacGrath vs Alex Mercer and Scooby-Doo vs Courage the Cowardly Dog in fight quality
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I've been waiting for someone to make a thumbnail for this match-up, and connection-wise according to comments (both OP and mine's), it's definitely my absolute favorite for both characters.
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Thats not fair either, Yujiro is better off against characters like Kengan Ashura or any martial arts verse that doesnt escalate to dragon ball esque levels
Im just hoping they do Kazuya vs Wesker as just a cast episode because Tekken 8 has hype and a lot of praise and realize unlike Homelander, Wesker legit has no wincon, especially when you look deeper into it, plus Homelander had the advantage it had a new season coming and nobody likes him or cares if he loses, Wesker i dont believe is universally hated
There is no way they will look at Kazuya stuff and say Wesker can do anything
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Honestly that's how I feel for Yujiro overall while baki is over the top, it's in a way grounded (not like realistic type of shit)but moreso never dabbles into the usual anime esque fuckery like Bleach, DBZ type of shit with dealing with energy blasts high octane destruction etc
It's obvious that Wesker dies Tiki,Swan and majority of the crew know it hell Wesker been dead since 09 like I mentioned previously while Kazuya stayed getting upgrades
It's hey can we make a fun fight out of it that's the real answer cause we all know stomps are nothing new to the show
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1. Virus hax gg
2. Crossover GG
3. Screw fairness Death Battle can make every fight cool
4. Feed Resident Evil some Ls
Poor Tetsujin 28-go
And screw stompiness
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Naturally said, the 1980 anime had Tetsujin defeating Uchuu Maoh in the final episode, who absorbed the power of a black hole, which was stated to be able to destroy the entire solar system, being a bit higher compared to Astro's 4-C scaling in Omega Factor (as explained in a first claim).
Kaiser and I have discussed about a match-up before on Discord (I did make a result comparison as well), and we came to agree that both should be excluded for deviating wildly from their original power sets (concerning Tetsujin's different design and Phoenix's time-travel powers for Astro;
Both's original selves are arguably close to each other stat-wise, hence his rough low-ball calculation of a volcano feat on FX's durability section (unless it needs to be done in our proper way and if a robot unicorn feat needs revising since Fanverse/NarutoForums blogs has become kind of outdated).
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It is that... Both have better options and just better showed off their respective arsenals and skills. To make... em... fights which are more fun.
Those two matchups being Albert Wesker vs Liquid Snake and Kazuya Mishima vs Iori Yagami.
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So, Bowser vs Eggman. Time to analyze with logic that other VSW users likely won’t like teehee
If you want my opinion with very strict rules? Then I can see Bowser winning. Simply because Eggman mostly just gets Eggmobile then. Now, I never thought about how Eggmobiles work, but I guess IDW says that single Eggmobile has multiple weapons? Alrighty then. And then Bowser is also limited to just basic fire, projectiles like hammers & spike balls and Giant transformation. Really simplistic for both. So, it comes down to their stats.
Mario & Sonic stats are a mess, so Imma pull a DB Capeshit MU logic here, they are probably close tbh. At low ends, they have continental-planet stuff via Bowser castle punch & Sonic breaks Little Planet chains (Sonic fares better here I think?). At mid ends they both have survived black holes (Mario fares better here I think?). At high ends because everyone is universal, they are universal because Mario survives dimension destructions and Sonic survives feat similar to Popeye (Sonic fares better here unless you use Galaxy 1 nono feat, then they might tie I think?) . Even speeds are same enough since both travel across universe in Clown Car & Eggmobile.
But using narrative story logic, Bowser edges enough here. Mario needs to use Bowser’s attacks against him or team up with Luigi to beat Bowser often. Eggman on the other hand can struggle vs Sonic. So even if the gap is as small as 2x, I feel like standard Eggmobile likely loses to standard Bowser more often than not.
But while I could use strict harsh logic, lets be real. DB will not use these. So, I will use extended weapons & armies like practically anyone else who reads this post would use. And Eggman wins with those more often than not.
Now, to pull DB logic ala FriezaMegatron/BatmanIronMan, if Eggman loses with standard Eggmobile, how can he avoid that? Well, he has ways to survive that. Even if you think Eggman can’t outrun Bowser long enough, he has jetpacks in himself for good maneuvering. Thanks to Frontiers tie-in comic, we also know that he has decoys that can control mechs for distractions. Heck, while I think Eggrobos using mechs like Time Eater is a stretch, they could use his standard mechs. Bowser could face Egg Dragoon, Death Egg Robot & Egg Emperor, all without them being piloted by Eggman. And finally, he could even be at his space stations, which he has several and he could fire star destroying or just world-shattering laser piss. So, this losing scenario isn’t even guaranteed.
This also means its unlikely Eggman himself would be hit my Bowser’s magic transmutation. Heck based Ultraguy himself said in Eggman vs Wily blog that higher end Eggman forces are just immune to transmutation hax. One of the fabled Bowser wincons is actually just a con.
Bowser’s other fabled wincon is better argument tbh, his sealing magic. Unlike transmutation, this feels like much better argument. Unfortunately, it kinda also can be avoided via same logic that Eggman can play zoning game much better. He can fight at range where sealing won’t be surefire win.
…But how often would Bowser even use that kind of magic? A lot of even newer DBs use character personality traits as a factor in battles. And the fact is, Bowser is kind of a brute. Now, he isn’t idiot, this isn’t S3 DB that uses cartoons, but Bowser absolutely prefers to punch his opponents or burn them. Trying to say that Bowser wins more often than not with magic is like saying Bill Cipher isn’t arrogant and only has tunnel vision. Aka very misleading. So, Bowser’s best wincons are something he likely wouldn’t use too much.
Now, Eggman also has serious issues with not defeating Sonic whenever he could. He could have killed him years ago. But unlike Bowser, we actually have gotten explanation here. Eggman wants to beat Sonic in his own way to prove he is superior. If he wanted to kill him, he would have carpet bombed him years ago. Bowser is not Sonic, so he would not care to crack the planet if he wanted to be done with Bowser.
Also yeah, IDW is canon nowadays. Retroactively arguably, but still canon.
Aww geez, guess it’s time to talk about their armies? They have so many troops I feel like I could miss out a lot here. Both have a lot of troops, so numbers game is probably equal. Stats are equal enough with stronger troops at minimum, even giving Kamek that Star lvl Raven feat, Metal Sonic could arguably get even Universal shit. Or you could believe that Petey Piranha solos every single Eggman troop. It’s a mess again. You could argue Boos can be intangible, but in Sonic 3 Eggman has captured ghosts in his capsules and in SA2 Knuckles could fight ghosts. So Boos also wont solo Eggman’s Army either. Now, apparently Captain Goomba has ability to negate special skills, so I have seen that that Goomba would also solo Eggman. That surely is an opinion, but I have not seen that skill been used in big enough range for it to matter. Now, Bowser’s troops do resist mind control, so Eggman can’t use that. That’s open and shut.
Eggman does seem to have better army control even against that. Again, via his Super Laser Piss, Eggman could wipeout a whole lot of Bowser’s army at once. Destroying stars gives you stupid big range. IDW also gives him Metal Virus which helps against most of the army. And thanks to Sage being a thing, she could control even berserk Zombots. Also Bowser’s Airship Armada. I have been neglecting Bowser’s best ship, the Galaxy Generator, but we have not seen it weaponize its Galaxy creation. Its best feat is threatening Rosalina’s observatory, far cry from blowing up stars.
Bowser does have Fury Bowser, the hype form. But if you think Bowser is universal, what does Fury Bowser actually give? Jack ******* shit lol. In fact, it could likely be detriment since Bowser is even more mindless in that state, making it even less likely that he’d use his magic wincons to beat Eggman.
Now, Bowser himself likely resists Metal Virus & possibly even Eggman’s BFR moves. Technically both can also time travel if you want to be technical. Eggman also has a machine that can make copies of enemies, but tbf, if you that Mario Party 3DS game, Bowser can use magic bubbles to create copies of Eggman’s troops as well.
Both Bowser & Eggman have a lot of shit to throw at each other, but I will now be bit spiteful to Mario fans and say one thing I clearly saved for last.
Phantom Ruby go brrrr
Sure, Bowser can copy some opponents, but Phantom Ruby can clone thousands of troops, potentially at Universal level too. And even if Bowser can handle BFR, Null Space could also be used to deal with Bowser’s troops.
For longest time I did have a hunch that they could give Bowser the Star Rod and make him invulnerable. But Phantom Ruby has hurt invulnerable Super forms, so it can likely bypass that.
Dream Stone scaling has been used to make Bowser Multiversal in base, but even this ******* shit can be replicated via PR. PR has fought Super forms and Base Sonic has beaten PR powered Infinite. This loop scaling is shit but both can have them.
Also, both Mario & Sonic cosmology can be argued to say “dreams are universes” so they likely get same stats again.
I used to be vary of some Eggman Mechs being scaled to Super forms, but PR allowing Super Eggman to match Super Sonic is kinda blatant. And with this Eggman gets immeasurable speeds. Yeah, there is no stopping immeasurable train via Solaris feat. Fact is, Super form traveled to past and future. without specifically time traveling. Even if its just specific points of time and not abstract concept time, its immeasurable. Time Eater feat might also support this.
Aww geez Im hitting 1500 words at this rate, time to wrap up.
BOWSER
+Likely stronger than base Eggmobiles
+Sealing magic is effective
+Resists a lot of hax
-Army is vulnerable to Eggman’s hax
-Army is inferior to Eggman’s in numbers
-Prefers to fight without using magic
-Fury Bowser is even more berserk
-Likely inferior vs peak Eggman
EGGMAN
+Can match Bowser’s power at peak
+Much faster at peak
+Significantly more powerful troops to use
+Can control battlefield better via destruction or BFR
+Can answer a lot of Bowser’s options
+Unlikely to mess up like against Sonic
-Very vulnerable outside of mechs
-Bowser can copy Eggman’s hax
That’s why I think Eggman wins via extended weaponry. Bowser can beat Eggmobile, but Eggman can survive such encounters. Bowser has wincons, but he prefers fighting without them. Fury Bowser especially makes it even more unlikely. Eggman’s army is likely to overwhelm Bowser’s army. At peak, Eggman matches Bowser and absolutely is faster than him. Bowser’s army being defeated means he has to eventually deal with Eggman’s army as well on top of Super Eggman. It is far more likely that Bowser gets overwhelmed by Eggman than that he uses sealing magic at specific time.
Or maybe you think Petey Piranha solos Eggman’s Army shrug
Mini-analysis over :V
If you want my opinion with very strict rules? Then I can see Bowser winning. Simply because Eggman mostly just gets Eggmobile then. Now, I never thought about how Eggmobiles work, but I guess IDW says that single Eggmobile has multiple weapons? Alrighty then. And then Bowser is also limited to just basic fire, projectiles like hammers & spike balls and Giant transformation. Really simplistic for both. So, it comes down to their stats.
Mario & Sonic stats are a mess, so Imma pull a DB Capeshit MU logic here, they are probably close tbh. At low ends, they have continental-planet stuff via Bowser castle punch & Sonic breaks Little Planet chains (Sonic fares better here I think?). At mid ends they both have survived black holes (Mario fares better here I think?). At high ends because everyone is universal, they are universal because Mario survives dimension destructions and Sonic survives feat similar to Popeye (Sonic fares better here unless you use Galaxy 1 nono feat, then they might tie I think?) . Even speeds are same enough since both travel across universe in Clown Car & Eggmobile.
But using narrative story logic, Bowser edges enough here. Mario needs to use Bowser’s attacks against him or team up with Luigi to beat Bowser often. Eggman on the other hand can struggle vs Sonic. So even if the gap is as small as 2x, I feel like standard Eggmobile likely loses to standard Bowser more often than not.
But while I could use strict harsh logic, lets be real. DB will not use these. So, I will use extended weapons & armies like practically anyone else who reads this post would use. And Eggman wins with those more often than not.
Now, to pull DB logic ala FriezaMegatron/BatmanIronMan, if Eggman loses with standard Eggmobile, how can he avoid that? Well, he has ways to survive that. Even if you think Eggman can’t outrun Bowser long enough, he has jetpacks in himself for good maneuvering. Thanks to Frontiers tie-in comic, we also know that he has decoys that can control mechs for distractions. Heck, while I think Eggrobos using mechs like Time Eater is a stretch, they could use his standard mechs. Bowser could face Egg Dragoon, Death Egg Robot & Egg Emperor, all without them being piloted by Eggman. And finally, he could even be at his space stations, which he has several and he could fire star destroying or just world-shattering laser piss. So, this losing scenario isn’t even guaranteed.
This also means its unlikely Eggman himself would be hit my Bowser’s magic transmutation. Heck based Ultraguy himself said in Eggman vs Wily blog that higher end Eggman forces are just immune to transmutation hax. One of the fabled Bowser wincons is actually just a con.
Bowser’s other fabled wincon is better argument tbh, his sealing magic. Unlike transmutation, this feels like much better argument. Unfortunately, it kinda also can be avoided via same logic that Eggman can play zoning game much better. He can fight at range where sealing won’t be surefire win.
…But how often would Bowser even use that kind of magic? A lot of even newer DBs use character personality traits as a factor in battles. And the fact is, Bowser is kind of a brute. Now, he isn’t idiot, this isn’t S3 DB that uses cartoons, but Bowser absolutely prefers to punch his opponents or burn them. Trying to say that Bowser wins more often than not with magic is like saying Bill Cipher isn’t arrogant and only has tunnel vision. Aka very misleading. So, Bowser’s best wincons are something he likely wouldn’t use too much.
Now, Eggman also has serious issues with not defeating Sonic whenever he could. He could have killed him years ago. But unlike Bowser, we actually have gotten explanation here. Eggman wants to beat Sonic in his own way to prove he is superior. If he wanted to kill him, he would have carpet bombed him years ago. Bowser is not Sonic, so he would not care to crack the planet if he wanted to be done with Bowser.
Also yeah, IDW is canon nowadays. Retroactively arguably, but still canon.
Aww geez, guess it’s time to talk about their armies? They have so many troops I feel like I could miss out a lot here. Both have a lot of troops, so numbers game is probably equal. Stats are equal enough with stronger troops at minimum, even giving Kamek that Star lvl Raven feat, Metal Sonic could arguably get even Universal shit. Or you could believe that Petey Piranha solos every single Eggman troop. It’s a mess again. You could argue Boos can be intangible, but in Sonic 3 Eggman has captured ghosts in his capsules and in SA2 Knuckles could fight ghosts. So Boos also wont solo Eggman’s Army either. Now, apparently Captain Goomba has ability to negate special skills, so I have seen that that Goomba would also solo Eggman. That surely is an opinion, but I have not seen that skill been used in big enough range for it to matter. Now, Bowser’s troops do resist mind control, so Eggman can’t use that. That’s open and shut.
Eggman does seem to have better army control even against that. Again, via his Super Laser Piss, Eggman could wipeout a whole lot of Bowser’s army at once. Destroying stars gives you stupid big range. IDW also gives him Metal Virus which helps against most of the army. And thanks to Sage being a thing, she could control even berserk Zombots. Also Bowser’s Airship Armada. I have been neglecting Bowser’s best ship, the Galaxy Generator, but we have not seen it weaponize its Galaxy creation. Its best feat is threatening Rosalina’s observatory, far cry from blowing up stars.
Bowser does have Fury Bowser, the hype form. But if you think Bowser is universal, what does Fury Bowser actually give? Jack ******* shit lol. In fact, it could likely be detriment since Bowser is even more mindless in that state, making it even less likely that he’d use his magic wincons to beat Eggman.
Now, Bowser himself likely resists Metal Virus & possibly even Eggman’s BFR moves. Technically both can also time travel if you want to be technical. Eggman also has a machine that can make copies of enemies, but tbf, if you that Mario Party 3DS game, Bowser can use magic bubbles to create copies of Eggman’s troops as well.
Both Bowser & Eggman have a lot of shit to throw at each other, but I will now be bit spiteful to Mario fans and say one thing I clearly saved for last.
Phantom Ruby go brrrr
Sure, Bowser can copy some opponents, but Phantom Ruby can clone thousands of troops, potentially at Universal level too. And even if Bowser can handle BFR, Null Space could also be used to deal with Bowser’s troops.
For longest time I did have a hunch that they could give Bowser the Star Rod and make him invulnerable. But Phantom Ruby has hurt invulnerable Super forms, so it can likely bypass that.
Dream Stone scaling has been used to make Bowser Multiversal in base, but even this ******* shit can be replicated via PR. PR has fought Super forms and Base Sonic has beaten PR powered Infinite. This loop scaling is shit but both can have them.
Also, both Mario & Sonic cosmology can be argued to say “dreams are universes” so they likely get same stats again.
I used to be vary of some Eggman Mechs being scaled to Super forms, but PR allowing Super Eggman to match Super Sonic is kinda blatant. And with this Eggman gets immeasurable speeds. Yeah, there is no stopping immeasurable train via Solaris feat. Fact is, Super form traveled to past and future. without specifically time traveling. Even if its just specific points of time and not abstract concept time, its immeasurable. Time Eater feat might also support this.
Aww geez Im hitting 1500 words at this rate, time to wrap up.
BOWSER
+Likely stronger than base Eggmobiles
+Sealing magic is effective
+Resists a lot of hax
-Army is vulnerable to Eggman’s hax
-Army is inferior to Eggman’s in numbers
-Prefers to fight without using magic
-Fury Bowser is even more berserk
-Likely inferior vs peak Eggman
EGGMAN
+Can match Bowser’s power at peak
+Much faster at peak
+Significantly more powerful troops to use
+Can control battlefield better via destruction or BFR
+Can answer a lot of Bowser’s options
+Unlikely to mess up like against Sonic
-Very vulnerable outside of mechs
-Bowser can copy Eggman’s hax
That’s why I think Eggman wins via extended weaponry. Bowser can beat Eggmobile, but Eggman can survive such encounters. Bowser has wincons, but he prefers fighting without them. Fury Bowser especially makes it even more unlikely. Eggman’s army is likely to overwhelm Bowser’s army. At peak, Eggman matches Bowser and absolutely is faster than him. Bowser’s army being defeated means he has to eventually deal with Eggman’s army as well on top of Super Eggman. It is far more likely that Bowser gets overwhelmed by Eggman than that he uses sealing magic at specific time.
Or maybe you think Petey Piranha solos Eggman’s Army shrug
Mini-analysis over :V
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Nice analysisSo, Bowser vs Eggman. Time to analyze with logic that other VSW users likely won’t like teehee
If you want my opinion with very strict rules? Then I can see Bowser winning. Simply because Eggman mostly just gets Eggmobile then. Now, I never thought about how Eggmobiles work, but I guess IDW says that single Eggmobile has multiple weapons? Alrighty then. And then Bowser is also limited to just basic fire, projectiles like hammers & spike balls and Giant transformation. Really simplistic for both. So, it comes down to their stats.
Mario & Sonic stats are a mess, so Imma pull a DB Capeshit MU logic here, they are probably close tbh. At low ends, they have continental-planet stuff via Bowser castle punch & Sonic breaks Little Planet chains (Sonic fares better here I think?). At mid ends they both have survived black holes (Mario fares better here I think?). At high ends because everyone is universal, they are universal because Mario survives dimension destructions and Sonic survives feat similar to Popeye (Sonic fares better here unless you use Galaxy 1 nono feat, then they might tie I think?) . Even speeds are same enough since both travel across universe in Clown Car & Eggmobile.
But using narrative story logic, Bowser edges enough here. Mario needs to use Bowser’s attacks against him or team up with Luigi to beat Bowser often. Eggman on the other hand can struggle vs Sonic. So even if the gap is as small as 2x, I feel like standard Eggmobile likely loses to standard Bowser more often than not.
But while I could use strict harsh logic, lets be real. DB will not use these. So, I will use extended weapons & armies like practically anyone else who reads this post would use. And Eggman wins with those more often than not.
Now, to pull DB logic ala FriezaMegatron/BatmanIronMan, if Eggman loses with standard Eggmobile, how can he avoid that? Well, he has ways to survive that. Even if you think Eggman can’t outrun Bowser long enough, he has jetpacks in himself for good maneuvering. Thanks to Frontiers tie-in comic, we also know that he has decoys that can control mechs for distractions. Heck, while I think Eggrobos using mechs like Time Eater is a stretch, they could use his standard mechs. Bowser could face Egg Dragoon, Death Egg Robot & Egg Emperor, all without them being piloted by Eggman. And finally, he could even be at his space stations, which he has several and he could fire star destroying or just world-shattering laser piss. So, this losing scenario isn’t even guaranteed.
This also means its unlikely Eggman himself would be hit my Bowser’s magic transmutation. Heck based Ultraguy himself said in Eggman vs Wily blog that higher end Eggman forces are just immune to transmutation hax. One of the fabled Bowser wincons is actually just a con.
Bowser’s other fabled wincon is better argument tbh, his sealing magic. Unlike transmutation, this feels like much better argument. Unfortunately, it kinda also can be avoided via same logic that Eggman can play zoning game much better. He can fight at range where sealing won’t be surefire win.
…But how often would Bowser even use that kind of magic? A lot of even newer DBs use character personality traits as a factor in battles. And the fact is, Bowser is kind of a brute. Now, he isn’t idiot, this isn’t S3 DB that uses cartoons, but Bowser absolutely prefers to punch his opponents or burn them. Trying to say that Bowser wins more often than not with magic is like saying Bill Cipher isn’t arrogant and only has tunnel vision. Aka very misleading. So, Bowser’s best wincons are something he likely wouldn’t use too much.
Now, Eggman also has serious issues with not defeating Sonic whenever he could. He could have killed him years ago. But unlike Bowser, we actually have gotten explanation here. Eggman wants to beat Sonic in his own way to prove he is superior. If he wanted to kill him, he would have carpet bombed him years ago. Bowser is not Sonic, so he would not care to crack the planet if he wanted to be done with Bowser.
Also yeah, IDW is canon nowadays. Retroactively arguably, but still canon.
Aww geez, guess it’s time to talk about their armies? They have so many troops I feel like I could miss out a lot here. Both have a lot of troops, so numbers game is probably equal. Stats are equal enough with stronger troops at minimum, even giving Kamek that Star lvl Raven feat, Metal Sonic could arguably get even Universal shit. Or you could believe that Petey Piranha solos every single Eggman troop. It’s a mess again. You could argue Boos can be intangible, but in Sonic 3 Eggman has captured ghosts in his capsules and in SA2 Knuckles could fight ghosts. So Boos also wont solo Eggman’s Army either. Now, apparently Captain Goomba has ability to negate special skills, so I have seen that that Goomba would also solo Eggman. That surely is an opinion, but I have not seen that skill been used in big enough range for it to matter. Now, Bowser’s troops do resist mind control, so Eggman can’t use that. That’s open and shut.
Eggman does seem to have better army control even against that. Again, via his Super Laser Piss, Eggman could wipeout a whole lot of Bowser’s army at once. Destroying stars gives you stupid big range. IDW also gives him Metal Virus which helps against most of the army. And thanks to Sage being a thing, she could control even berserk Zombots. Also Bowser’s Airship Armada. I have been neglecting Bowser’s best ship, the Galaxy Generator, but we have not seen it weaponize its Galaxy creation. Its best feat is threatening Rosalina’s observatory, far cry from blowing up stars.
Bowser does have Fury Bowser, the hype form. But if you think Bowser is universal, what does Fury Bowser actually give? Jack ******* shit lol. In fact, it could likely be detriment since Bowser is even more mindless in that state, making it even less likely that he’d use his magic wincons to beat Eggman.
Now, Bowser himself likely resists Metal Virus & possibly even Eggman’s BFR moves. Technically both can also time travel if you want to be technical. Eggman also has a machine that can make copies of enemies, but tbf, if you that Mario Party 3DS game, Bowser can use magic bubbles to create copies of Eggman’s troops as well.
Both Bowser & Eggman have a lot of shit to throw at each other, but I will now be bit spiteful to Mario fans and say one thing I clearly saved for last.
Phantom Ruby go brrrr
Sure, Bowser can copy some opponents, but Phantom Ruby can clone thousands of troops, potentially at Universal level too. And even if Bowser can handle BFR, Null Space could also be used to deal with Bowser’s troops.
For longest time I did have a hunch that they could give Bowser the Star Rod and make him invulnerable. But Phantom Ruby has hurt invulnerable Super forms, so it can likely bypass that.
Dream Stone scaling has been used to make Bowser Multiversal in base, but even this ******* shit can be replicated via PR. PR has fought Super forms and Base Sonic has beaten PR powered Infinite. This loop scaling is shit but both can have them.
Also, both Mario & Sonic cosmology can be argued to say “dreams are universes” so they likely get same stats again.
I used to be vary of some Eggman Mechs being scaled to Super forms, but PR allowing Super Eggman to match Super Sonic is kinda blatant. And with this Eggman gets immeasurable speeds. Yeah, there is no stopping immeasurable train via Solaris feat. Fact is, Super form traveled to past and future. without specifically time traveling. Even if its just specific points of time and not abstract concept time, its immeasurable. Time Eater feat might also support this.
Aww geez Im hitting 1500 words at this rate, time to wrap up.
BOWSER
+Likely stronger than base Eggmobiles
+Sealing magic is effective
+Resists a lot of hax
-Army is vulnerable to Eggman’s hax
-Army is inferior to Eggman’s in numbers
-Prefers to fight without using magic
-Fury Bowser is even more berserk
-Likely inferior vs peak Eggman
EGGMAN
+Can match Bowser’s power at peak
+Much faster at peak
+Significantly more powerful troops to use
+Can control battlefield better via destruction or BFR
+Can answer a lot of Bowser’s options
+Unlikely to mess up like against Sonic
-Very vulnerable outside of mechs
-Bowser can copy Eggman’s hax
That’s why I think Eggman wins via extended weaponry. Bowser can beat Eggmobile, but Eggman can survive such encounters. Bowser has wincons, but he prefers fighting without them. Fury Bowser especially makes it even more unlikely. Eggman’s army is likely to overwhelm Bowser’s army. At peak, Eggman matches Bowser and absolutely is faster than him. Bowser’s army being defeated means he has to eventually deal with Eggman’s army as well on top of Super Eggman. It is far more likely that Bowser gets overwhelmed by Eggman than that he uses sealing magic at specific time.
Or maybe you think Petey Piranha solos Eggman’s Army shrug
Mini-analysis over :V
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