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I think they mean it's because all the DC heralds in DB are cosmology busters.
Sure, well maybe not busters but they have that level of AP yeah. Also the term “heralds” in DC doesn’t really mean anything, like Superman is closer to the description of a Skyfather anyways. But anyways Ben is stronger lol.
 
Sure, well maybe not busters but they have that level of AP yeah. Also the term “heralds” in DC doesn’t really mean anything, like Superman is closer to the description of a Skyfather anyways.
I mean Hal has things that put him as relative to Superman. If anything, Hal's high ends can be arguably higher than Superman's high ends via scaling chains
 
I mean Hal has things that put him as relative to Superman.
I don’t even mean AP-wise, just the description of “god who watches over the world from the sky” fits for Superman.
If anything, Hal's high ends can be arguably higher than Superman's high ends via scaling chains
I doubt it, the best scaling for unamped JL members rn is Superman oneshotting Barbatos. With all of Hal’s previous amps being outclassed by that feat and Superman usually holding back making it difficult for people to scale to said feat. Heck with the Story of Superman, Superman is as far above Hal as Hal is above regular humans.
 
I doubt it, the best scaling for unamped JL members rn is Superman oneshotting Barbatos. With all of Hal’s previous amps being outclassed by that feat and Superman usually holding back making it difficult for people to scale to said feat.
Not really. Rebirth Superman one shotting Barbatos isn't portrayed as a absolute peak thing but rather casual, furthermore. Rebirth Superman is only vaguely stronger than PC Superman, while Hal has a scaling chain above characters who can easily defeat PC Superman.

Heck with the Story of Superman, Superman is as far above Hal as Hal is above regular humans
I doubt story of Superman is even really combat applicable. And even so, it's not even an actual canon thing and it's fairly vague.
 
Social Influencing, possession, magic Ig, altering his physiology with his imagination, probably some Diamond corruption shit. Can I use the CN physiology stuff?
He has to be asleep to use Possession so bad idea, Steven doesn’t have Corruption (but he can heal Corruption), and the other stuff just isn’t relevant vs Invincible. And I don’t care about non-canon CN cross-scaling stuff
 
Rebirth Superman one shotting Barbatos isn't portrayed as a absolute peak thing but rather casual
Exactly the point
Rebirth Superman is only vaguely stronger than PC Superman, while Hal has a scaling chain above characters who can easily defeat PC Superman.
5D imps can't even exist in the 6th dimension, which puts a hard stop to Post-Crisis scaling being relevant. Rn it only matters if you scale to the 6th dimension or not. Also which characters can supposedly easily defeat PC Superman?
I doubt story of Superman is even really combat applicable. And even so, it's not even an actual canon thing and it's fairly vague.
It is combat applicable, Superman used it many times and it is a canon thing, what do you think CAS and Milkman Man are?
 
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I hate the SS Steven beam calc. The corruption beam didnt even destroy shit and Diamonds want to use the Cluster as the main means of destroying planet, in context of story that beam really shouldnt be used.
 
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