ahh, but Orochimaru's jutsu overwrites the victim when he resurrects, his not controlling the zetsu's body like a empty corpse . so i dont think his comparable to the edo either.
i dont think this is a valid wincon, as not only has madara never used it in character ever at any point, Aizen isnt a character who's trying to be something his not.
Wouldn't Gigai (Dead souls in literal puppet bodies) be comparable then?
Fair enough on IC (I made this argument before), but I do think you can argue about it working on Aizen, given what we learn in chapter 423
Doesn't the second go god dang he got some of brothers cells in him or something when summoned?
I mean arnt Giga closer to being just empty biological bodies as oppose to being literal corpses?
While i dont agree with some of the sentiments here about izanami just being random genjutsu and you can make parallels of izanami being a counter to izanagi's fate bending and reality warping jutsu with something like the Hogyoku but i feel like its a still bit too speculative to me to base an entire wincon round.
Certain Gigai (Like Isshins) are. Most aren't, and are literal human dummies like the ones you'd study in an anatomy class.
Yeah I was joking there about Aizen being "lol I'm lonely" in chapter in 423 as a reason Izanami might initially work. I really only laughed off the idea that it directly manipulated fate as Kinsey claimed.
This is the weakest version of Aizen vs the strongest form of Madara.
Where does he have info analysis in his physiology? He adapts to something after its already taken effect not before, not only that it takes a little while before he's adapted. If Aizen achieve's his dreams (which the Infinite Tsukiyomi does) then the Hogyoku will not do anything.
Here's where you're wrong, Shinji's reverses your perception and that's something Kabuto instantly adapted to. Madara's genjutsu is not only massively stronger than Shinji's, he can control you, control your perception of time, erase your memory and ect.
He's only allowed his first fusion. Aizen cannot go to his second.
I need to see that.
Edo's have been put under genjutsu example Edo-Itachi.
If this is out of character, doesn't Aizen feel lonely and want to lose? That means he doesn't to alot of the things you're arguing and simply observes. Lesser clones have used the originals jutsu including sunsanoo plus Storm has them all using perfect Susanoo's
He would because the Hogyoku reads his heart and decides what he wants, by then he's gonna have 5 Sunanoo's on his head.
He doesn't utilize this so no.
Both are tangible things, I don't see your point. TB become Physical Chakra manifestations outside of his body.
I asked for the Hogyoku having this.
A stronger Aizen, not this one.
So Aizen wants to lose?
Does he get stronger just sitting there? Or does he need to get to the next form to do so.
Different Aizen. He also wasn't reduced to nothing, the Hogyoku could have tanked it.
Not the same Aizen.
Not with 5 Susanoo's on him or if he destroys it.
Because the Hogyoku is weaker than this Aizen and his evolution takes time as it did with Gin. I do not know how it has Fate hax btw as it's stated to grant a wish.
It's just a weakness exclusive to infinite Tsukuyomi then. IT explicitly failed to work on them.
You're misinterpreting. Aizen has contradictory wishes. He wants to become a god, whilst also wanting to be a normal soul reaper. The only reason the Hogyoku allowed Aizen to lose was because he found someone who could understand his heart (Ichigo), and the Hogyoku acted upon his subconscious. TLDR, a bunch of plot specific jumbo that would never apply here.
Show me the scan of Limbo using Susanoo. Stop arguing that Madara is gonna do things he never did in story.
What are you talking about? Aizen utilized this to manipulate the whole story. Read the scans in the profile.
Physical chakra manifestations ≠ Physical object. You can use esoteric absorption on one, not the other, because one is made of the esoteric energy, and the other isn't. Prove it can absorb Physical things that aren't made of chakra or concede this.
The Hogyoku has soul physiology. It's comprised of countless Shinigami souls and Soul King fragments. It possesses their resistances.
Aizen has this same abilities in base with the Hogyoku. These abilities are inherent to the Hogyoku, and he has them in all of his keys with it (which includes this one).
I'll take your concession on it being out of character if you don't bother to respond.
Yes, he got stronger by sitting there. The Hogyoku's ability to evolve Aizen includes, but is not limited to the transformations we saw in deicide.
Do you realize why we have the Hogyoku powers in a separate tabber than the ones for his fusions? It's because those Hogyoku abilities are inherent to it, and Aizen has them in all of his keys.
This is a reading comprehension error. Aizen has all of the Hogyoku powers in his base key.
You've failed to prove Limbo use Susano'o in character, or even show how madara gets past mid godly.
Headcanon you could never prove. It has all of the same abilities it does in that tabber in every key. It's its own tabber for a reason.
It takes a miniscule amount of time. Aizen evolved in a couple pages after the Hogyoku was removed from his body and all of his cells were eroded.
We have profiles for a reason. I suggest you take more time reading them.
You haven't given any argument as to why IT works on Aizen, or responded to any argument as to why it wouldn't.
Respond to the Reikaku point or you have no argument as to why GJ works here.
He can evolve in ways beyond the fusions
Its written very explicitly on the profile.
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Precisely why I’m asking everyone if it’s a stomp or not. If not, we can add this cuz Aizen is a vote away from hitting Grace4 pages of arguing hogyoku aizen now we restricting it
Yeah, I was a bit inactive so I didn’t check the thread for a while
