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Anyways i've made all these changes when applying the Snyder cut canon thread. I gave all of them a likely raiting back then cause i wasn't sure how wiki treated the Flashpoint characters (and i didn't give them the 5-B raiting cause it would look really weird to write something like "7-C, likely high 6-A, likely 5-B"). But as for seperating them, i disagree. Even tho some changes are made like Batmans being different Batmans, the kryptonians are obviusly meant to be the same ones from the original DCEU timeline.
As for Zod and Supergirl, as i said i didn't scale them to 5-B stuff cause is would be "likely, likely". I was planning on making another thread to scale them to World Engine and remove the 7-C raiting, but currently i'm waiting one of the 3 active dceu crt's to be closed so i can post a small thread expalining the Blue Beetle high 5-A scaling.
I agree that the Kryptonians are meant to be the ones from the DCEU main timeline. I don't have a problem with them not having keys, because I think they are meant to be radically different versions of the Kryptonians from MOS, but there are still slight differences in the timeline like Supes death. It's been a while since I've seen it is the timeframe of the Flash?
 
Both Man of Steel and the alternate timeline in The Flash have the Kryptonian invasion occur in 2013.
Let me clarify my original question. When I asked the timeframe of the Kryptonian invasion, I meant how long was Zod invading for. Correct me if I'm wrong, but without Superman in Flash (2023), Zod won, but I wasn't sure how long the 2013 events lasted in the Flash.
 
We only really get to see a few days of the alternate 2013 in The Flash, and the timeline gets changed again after Zod kills Supergirl on what seems to be the first day of the invasion proper:
  • Barry states that September 29 is when he got his powers
  • Zod broadcasts a warning message to Earth the following day (September 30)
  • Zod's forces attack the Air Force base a day or two later; the two Flashes, Batman, and Supergirl try and fail to defeat them. Barry 1 is forced to change the timeline again (October 1-2)
 
This hasn’t been used in a while, but I have a question about the way we scale the Flashpoint characters. Why don’t we have separate keys for the Flashpoint Kryptonians? Like Faora’s page uses Flashpoint feats to justify the High 6-A tier from the original timeline.

I think it’s fine to scale Flashpoint Faora from the feats of OG Timeline Faora, but idk if the reverse makes sense. Also, I just realized Flashpoint Zod and Supergirl haven’t been updated with the rest of the DCEU. Supergirl's page says she is stronger than both versions of the Flash, but she doesn’t share his tier.
Holy shit Legion is alive?!

But in all seriousness, I think it’s because they’re basically the same characters and the only real change is Zod killed baby Kal before leaving and that Kara made it to earth instead. There’s not much aside from that to make us think they’re different
 
Holy shit Legion is alive?!

But in all seriousness, I think it’s because they’re basically the same characters and the only real change is Zod killed baby Kal before leaving and that Kara made it to earth instead. There’s not much aside from that to make us think they’re different
Fair enough, I was asking about the timeframe of the Flash movie, bc there is a statement from Man of Steel about how Zod and his Kryptonians were quickly adapting to their powers and growing at a quick pace, so I just wanted to see if the movie took place over a longer time period than MoS.

Also, long time no see! I'm basically retired bc I’m a college student, but everyone once in a while on breaks, I become more active before fading away again lol.
 
Does anyone how to calc turning earths core into a neutron star ? Per VFX artists World Engine was turning earths core into one.
 
Does anyone how to calc turning earths core into a neutron star ? Per VFX artists World Engine was turning earths core into one.
About 8.8x10^39 J or High 5-A, but this is before considering that there’s not enough mass in the entire Earth to create a stable neutron star before the core just explodes. That would just be the required energy amount to reduce it in density to that of a Neutron Star. Actually producing a stable object would be orders of magnitude more expensive; the world engine would need to be adding like a dozen solar masses to create what amounts to a TZO. Just for fun though, it would be around 1.68x10^48 J (Solar System level) and would turn Earth into a cool red supergiant, which is sort of contradictory to the whole ‘Kryptonians can’t live on a red star’ thing.

If you were to fiddle with the numbers to get white-star temperatures (to produce the ‘color’ of white, which our own sun has, as it only appears yellow due to atmospheric filtering) so that Kryptonians could just live on it you would get a similar result though, so 4-B at highest ends. Even then this wouldn’t be a ‘planet’ though, just a complex star. So the plot elements would really just make the lower end feasible.
 
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About 8.8x10^39 J or High 5-A, but this is before considering that there’s not enough mass in the entire Earth to create a stable neutron star before the core just explodes. That would just be the required energy amount to reduce it in density to that of a Neutron Star. Actually producing a stable object would be orders of magnitude more expensive; the world engine would need to be adding like a dozen solar masses to create what amounts to a TZO. Just for fun though, it would be around 1.68x10^48 J (Solar System level) and would turn Earth into a cool red supergiant, which is sort of contradictory to the whole ‘Kryptonians can’t live on a red star’ thing.

If you were to fiddle with the numbers to get white-star temperatures (to produce the ‘color’ of white, which our own sun has, as it only appears yellow due to atmospheric filtering) so that Kryptonians could just live on it you would get a similar result though, so 4-B at highest ends. Even then this wouldn’t be a ‘planet’ though, just a complex star. So the plot elements would really just make the lower end feasible.
The first end is actually just a 31 times difference from the Blue Beatle feat, which scales to some random lantern. Probably consistent.
 
About 8.8x10^39 J or High 5-A, but this is before considering that there’s not enough mass in the entire Earth to create a stable neutron star before the core just explodes. That would just be the required energy amount to reduce it in density to that of a Neutron Star. Actually producing a stable object would be orders of magnitude more expensive; the world engine would need to be adding like a dozen solar masses to create what amounts to a TZO. Just for fun though, it would be around 1.68x10^48 J (Solar System level) and would turn Earth into a cool red supergiant, which is sort of contradictory to the whole ‘Kryptonians can’t live on a red star’ thing.

If you were to fiddle with the numbers to get white-star temperatures (to produce the ‘color’ of white, which our own sun has, as it only appears yellow due to atmospheric filtering) so that Kryptonians could just live on it you would get a similar result though, so 4-B at highest ends.
Thanks, but you think it's not usable ? The statements i was refering to are these 1 2 3 4, basically krypton have made their core into a neutron star, specificly stated to be a pulsar and Zod was doing the same thing to earth.
 
The first end is actually just a 31 times difference from the Blue Beatle feat, which scales to some random lantern. Probably consistent.
Speaking of which, i made a thread for this but forgot to post it here.
 
Thanks, but you think it's not usable ? The statements i was refering to are these 1 2 3 4, basically krypton have made their core into a neutron star, specificly stated to be a pulsar and Zod was doing the same thing to earth.
It’s probably fine to use. It’s just that Krypton was obviously more massive than Earth, the World Engine works logarithmically (so it takes a while to continually get to that point), but at its peak it would at minimum be giving off enough gravitational energy to compress the core to that density, so High 5-A (and Clark destroyed it despite it being built to withstand basically arbitrarily large amounts of energy) is fine for what can be ‘calculated’. It’s also a consistent value too.
 
It’s probably fine to use. It’s just that Krypton was obviously more massive than Earth, the World Engine works logarithmically (so it takes a while to continually get to that point), but at its peak it would at minimum be giving off enough gravitational energy to compress the core to that density, so High 5-A (and Clark destroyed it despite it being built to withstand basically arbitrarily large amounts of energy) is fine for what can be ‘calculated’. It’s also a consistent value too.
Well... would you be willing to put that in a calc blog?
 
We lowk might need to wait until DontTalk comes back to the forum since there’s probably no other cgm technically knowledgable to check it :’)
Waiting for dceu threads to conclude is something i've been doing ever since i joined the wiki😭, so i think its fine.
 
 
Also I calculated the part in the vision in MoS when Zod shows Clark the end result of the World Engine terraforming process and the Moon is just blatantly fragmenting. I computed the required mass added to the Earth to expand the Roche limit to reach the Moon’s distance, then used the size of Krypton sageof8paths derived here to get the new GBE with that mass, then subtracted the old one from the new one like the Fairy Tail calc. I got around 10^40 J which is consistent with the neutron star core thing. I’ll make a blog post about it when I wake up.
 
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Also I calculated the part in the vision in MoS when Zod shows Clark the end result of the World Engine terraforming process and the Moon is just blatantly fragmenting. I computed the required mass added to the Earth to expand the Roche limit to reach the Moon’s distance, then used the size of Krypton sageof8paths derived here to get the new GBE with that mass, then subtracted the old one from the new one like the Fairy Tail calc. I got around 10^40 J which is consistent with the neutron star core thing. I’ll make a blog post about it when I wake up.
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It’s even higher
 
Shouldn't we divide this with the timeframe tho, or is it the same as the other calc where you don't need to divide it ?
There’s no timeframe in the vision since the World Engine just immediately appears there and then the world is ending, which is Zod’s mental image of “cinematic time” I’m guessing. The Fairy Tail calc also didn’t use a timeframe since it used a manner of ‘magically making mass’ which didn’t really have a mechanic behind it, in the same way that the World Engine just isn’t pure mass-energy conversion (it’s some domesticated wormhole spouting out energy). Since Clark one-shot the energy source he should scale to the entire thing anyway.
 
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There’s no timeframe in the vision since the World Engine just immediately appears there and then the world is ending, which is Zod’s mental image of “cinematic time” I’m guessing. The Fairy Tail calc also didn’t use a timeframe since it using a manner of ‘magically making mass’ which didn’t really have a mechanic behind it, in the same way that the World Engine just isn’t pure mass-energy conversion (it’s some domesticated wormhole spouting out energy). Since Clark one-shot the energy source he should scale to the entire thing anyway.
Alright, soo should i also include this in the thread but mention its not evaulted yet ?
 
Alright, soo should i also include this in the thread but mention its not evaulted yet ?
No we should probably get it evaluated first

FYI I also calculated the part in the vision where the Earth was closer to the Sun and only got around 10^35 J (Large Planet level) through the orbital energy being decreased.
 
No we should probably get it evaluated first

FYI I also calculated the part in the vision where the Earth was closer to the Sun and only got around 10^35 J (Large Planet level) through the orbital energy being decreased.
Alright.
 
No we should probably get it evaluated first

FYI I also calculated the part in the vision where the Earth was closer to the Sun and only got around 10^35 J (Large Planet level) through the orbital energy being decreased.
The thread got accepted i can apply it after the grace period ends, also your calc got a comment.
 
The thread got accepted i can apply it after the grace period ends, also your calc got a comment.
I replied to the guy who commented’s message wall since I can’t reply in the comments of the calc for some reason.

Also that was fast. I’ll make the second thread myself for the moon calc when it’s accepted since it’s literally just a 1 Quettaton difference.
 
I replied to the guy who commented’s message wall since I can’t reply in the comments of the calc for some reason.

Also that was fast. I’ll make the second thread myself for the moon calc when it’s accepted since it’s literally just a 1 Quettaton difference.
Well tbf if the calc gets accepted, i can just add it to the OP and ask for mods to re-evaulate it.
 
AP aside I think holding-back Flash's speed can be argued a bit higher since he moves fast enough to experience the relativistic Doppler effect
 
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