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This is something that has been brought up before, but was never actually properly addressed, so I'm going to have to do that now.
The Solar System Level ratings that we currently give to DC are not very good. As it currently stands, there are a few reasons for this.
Reason #1: Our Two Calcs
The two calculations that give DC this rating... well, first of all, that's an issue in itself. For characters that are supposedly Solar System Level most consistently, according to the staff in charge of managing the pages, they only have two feats calculated at this level: Pushing away the Sun and the Infinite Mass Punch. That's two feats, across almost 90 years of comics now, that we use to justify scaling for every single page.
1) Pushing Away The Solar System
This feat was performed by Superman, as calced by @The_real_cal_howard.
vsbattles.fandom.com
The issue here, of course, is that the calculation is false. FanofRPGs recalculated the feat to be within the exatons and zettatons range, something which was placed in the comments of the blog, as well as on her own analyzing Superman's various feats. While I have a great littany of problems with that blog in general, the fact is that this isn't a valid Solar System level feat.
2) Infinite Mass Punch
This ability is considered to be a very special attack from speedsters (Who as of recent revisions literally vary anywhere from Tier 8 to Tier 1) that doesn't scale to Physicality under most circumstances, and as it stands now this is literally the only other feat that they have for 4-B. I think scaling the entire verse to the hardest Wally has ever hit is kind of ridiculous and I shouldn't need to explain why this is our standard for the entire verse.
Now with all this said, they COULD still be 4-B without it, but...
Reason #2: Uncalced Feats
ALMOST ALL OF THE DAMN FEATS AREN'T CALCULATED.
Like, look at Superman's page.
(Contained a mini-black hole that was about to destroy the entire solar system.[5] Took attacks from the Void Hound, which had previously destroyed ten star systems during a test-drive.[6] He withstood an explosion at a point-blank range equivalent to 50 Keplar Supernovas while severely weakened by red sun radiation. Tanked multiple red solar radiation blasts from a Sun-Eater, which was capable of destroying entire suns and star systems)
Nothing here has any calculations associated with it, and from the actual justifications listed in the scans, many of these are far lower. The Sun-Eater feat is the most egregious one considering that it is never actually stated to destroy star systems, just consume suns. The Void Hound is the same; the method of destruction is never stated, only that "Ten systems died", which could mean anything from 4-C to 4-A.
If 4-B is to stay, these feats need to be evaluated and indexed, or thrown out if they aren't usable. People also need to find more feats for DC characters, as literally all they currently have on the site are 9-A and 4-B. I'd really like the verse to have accurate tiering with proper feats to back it up; I don't particularly care what the actual results of this end up being, be it a downgrade or an upgrade, but something needs to be done about it.
The Solar System Level ratings that we currently give to DC are not very good. As it currently stands, there are a few reasons for this.
Reason #1: Our Two Calcs
The two calculations that give DC this rating... well, first of all, that's an issue in itself. For characters that are supposedly Solar System Level most consistently, according to the staff in charge of managing the pages, they only have two feats calculated at this level: Pushing away the Sun and the Infinite Mass Punch. That's two feats, across almost 90 years of comics now, that we use to justify scaling for every single page.
1) Pushing Away The Solar System
This feat was performed by Superman, as calced by @The_real_cal_howard.
Superman, the Prince of Pushing
vsbattles.fandom.com
The issue here, of course, is that the calculation is false. FanofRPGs recalculated the feat to be within the exatons and zettatons range, something which was placed in the comments of the blog, as well as on her own analyzing Superman's various feats. While I have a great littany of problems with that blog in general, the fact is that this isn't a valid Solar System level feat.
2) Infinite Mass Punch
This ability is considered to be a very special attack from speedsters (Who as of recent revisions literally vary anywhere from Tier 8 to Tier 1) that doesn't scale to Physicality under most circumstances, and as it stands now this is literally the only other feat that they have for 4-B. I think scaling the entire verse to the hardest Wally has ever hit is kind of ridiculous and I shouldn't need to explain why this is our standard for the entire verse.
Now with all this said, they COULD still be 4-B without it, but...
Reason #2: Uncalced Feats
ALMOST ALL OF THE DAMN FEATS AREN'T CALCULATED.
Like, look at Superman's page.
(Contained a mini-black hole that was about to destroy the entire solar system.[5] Took attacks from the Void Hound, which had previously destroyed ten star systems during a test-drive.[6] He withstood an explosion at a point-blank range equivalent to 50 Keplar Supernovas while severely weakened by red sun radiation. Tanked multiple red solar radiation blasts from a Sun-Eater, which was capable of destroying entire suns and star systems)
Nothing here has any calculations associated with it, and from the actual justifications listed in the scans, many of these are far lower. The Sun-Eater feat is the most egregious one considering that it is never actually stated to destroy star systems, just consume suns. The Void Hound is the same; the method of destruction is never stated, only that "Ten systems died", which could mean anything from 4-C to 4-A.
If 4-B is to stay, these feats need to be evaluated and indexed, or thrown out if they aren't usable. People also need to find more feats for DC characters, as literally all they currently have on the site are 9-A and 4-B. I'd really like the verse to have accurate tiering with proper feats to back it up; I don't particularly care what the actual results of this end up being, be it a downgrade or an upgrade, but something needs to be done about it.
