Five Nights At Freddy's Remnant Rework

[Dark_Soul20189]

Not the FNAF 4 protagonist, the souls in the FNAF 1 animatronics. The Crying Children, not the Crying Child

Just a future notice, Cal them "ghosts" or "spirits" or just the missing children, the moment we say "cc" we mean him, not them...

Also, We don't even play as CC for fnaf 4, but the minigames are his.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

do we have.......anything exclusive to "Agony/Remnant" combination? or it is just "can use both at the same time, but stronger"

Tbh, the only being that we know for certain that has both, is EoS Elanor... The rest would speculations.

For example

Agony - William, Cassidy, Andrew, Elanor

Remnent - Fnaf 1, Fnaf 2, Charlie, the puppet, Jake

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

bingo, we can call the page "Emotions" and then call it a day while indexing both Agony and Remnant in there

Honestly, I think We could find a much better name than "Emotions" for the page name.

Some ideas of what it can be called include
"Fnaf properties and physiologies"
"Fnaf mechanics"
"Fnaf physiologies"
I am open to other ideas, and to hear your guys opinions

 

[Omegabronic]

Tbh, the only being that we know for certain that has both, is EoS Elanor... The rest would speculations.

For example

Agony - William, Cassidy, Andrew, Elanor

Remnent - Fnaf 1, Fnaf 2, Charlie, the puppet, Jake

hum, since Agony is "negative emotions" and Remnant is "positive emotions".....then wouldn't each Animatronic that came from children being murdered and then forced to possess animatronics and are in clearly constant anguish, have Agony by default?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

hum, since Agony is "negative emotions" and Remnant is "positive emotions".....then wouldn't each Animatronic that came from children being murdered and then forced to possess animatronics and are in clearly constant anguish, have Agony by default?

Nope, they don't remember their death. And we do know that the fnaf animatronics are remnant.

 

[Omegabronic]

Nope, they don't remember their death. And we do know that the fnaf animatronics are remnant.

the week before show that they are in......very hard suffering due to it, Susie remembers her birthday and gets........very clearly sad and angry at it, all 4 animatronics KNOW they are kids and show very malicious intent to Ralph, and even when he asked they said "it's me" as in, they know, specially since being powered by purely "good emotions" wouldn't have you be so eager to......you know, KILL on sight, no questions asked, specifically to adults.........they have agony and negative emotions, very strong ones, and we cannot negate that

specially with Shadow Bonnie and Shadow Freddie appearing in the FNAF 2 pizza restaurant, both which are made from "Dark Remnant"......at least, Shadow Bonnie is, which is.........Agony i guess

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

the week before show that they are in......very hard suffering due to it, Susie remembers her birthday and gets........very clearly sad and angry at it, all 4 animatronics KNOW they are kids and show very malicious intent to Ralph, and even when he asked they said "it's me" as in, they know, specially since being powered by purely "good emotions" wouldn't have you be so eager to......you know, KILL on sight, no questions asked, specifically to adults.........they have agony and negative emotions, very strong ones, and we cannot negate that

Yes, Susie remembers her birthday, They Remember they are kids and weren't originally animatronics. I never stated otherwise, I specifically mentioned their deaths.
We see this in not only the books but also the movie, where they don't remember it was Springtrap that killed them, and instead see him as a friendly being, one of them.

Regarding Them targeting Raplh is simple, they are trying to get out of the Pizzeria, and he is in the way. They don't do it out of grief and anger.

The "it's me" part, is just them showing they are possessed, I don't see the argument for anything else.

I never stated they were saint What I stated was that they lacked "agony", This does not mean they are incapable of Feeling negative emotions, or do bad actions, it simply means they haven't manifested as powers. Also, As mentioned earlier, Raplh is in the way, and I think it is in more in the line of being scared and protecting themself. Meaning they don't really have "bad intentions" but rather do what they need to and are required to do.

I hope I explained this good enough.

specially with Shadow Bonnie and Shadow Freddie appearing in the FNAF 2 pizza restaurant, both which are made from "Dark Remnant"......at least, Shadow Bonnie is, which is.........Agony i guess

Dark rement was only mentioned in the AR game, with loads of questionable lore, so I don't trust anything coming from there.
Also, We know next to nothing about the shadow animatronics, so I don't support using them for lore nor scaling

 

[Perequeliri993]

bingo, we can call the page "Emotions" and then call it a day while indexing both Agony and Remnant in there


do we have.......anything exclusive to "Agony/Remnant" combination? or it is just "can use both at the same time, but stronger"

I think just calling it "Remnant and Agony" is alright.

Another thing that is important is how Rement actively fights Agony, with them even being called "polar opposites"

Remnant is the term for the physical manifestation of memories infused with and possessing inanimate objects. It should be noted that this only applies for memories and good emotions.

While Agony is a mixture of bad memories pain and negative emotions.

Tbh, the only being that we know for certain that has both, is EoS Elanor... The rest would speculations.

For example

Agony - William, Cassidy, Andrew, Elanor

Remnent - Fnaf 1, Fnaf 2, Charlie, the puppet, Jake

I understand that Agony and Remnant shouldn't be able to coexist, but one thing is that it shouldn't, and another is that it doesn't. Souls are very explictely remnant constructs, yet some can still use agony.

Think of it like joy and sadness (irl). Two emotions that by all means are complete opposites, and shouldn't be able to coexist. However, they can actually exist at the same instant, in the feeling of bittersweetness.

I mean, the quote you pointed out explicitely says that they shouldn't be able to, but THEY CAN.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I mean, the quote you pointed out explicitely says that they shouldn't be able to, but THEY CAN.

I did say they can, in special cases, but it should be noted that not all negative or positive emotions count as remnant or Agony
What I mean by this, just having negative or positive emotions is not enough to get the powers

We also do know that Remnant actively either weakens or fully disperse agony, in the Stichwrath series, with Jake using his remnant to get rid of Afton's agony.

So while it is POSSIBLE, for them to coexist, I don't think any being except Eleanor can actually do it.


Also, We do know that Scraptrap lacks any Remnant, so we can also assume Springtrap possesses Agony instead of Remant, which would make his abilities, death, and lore more fitting to.

 

[Omegabronic]

before you read this, know i mean no hard feelings or confrontational tone........i just write in certain ways that, since i am not a native english speaker, may translate in a tone i didn't meant

Yes, Susie remembers her birthday, They Remember they are kids and weren't originally animatronics. I never stated otherwise, I specifically mentioned their deaths.
We see this in not only the books but also the movie, where they don't remember it was Springtrap that killed them, and instead see him as a friendly being, one of them.

and in the week before, we clearly see that this knownledge comes with deep negative emotions, enough to make them incredibly angry and agressive for being reminded of what they now are........sounds like negative emotion to me, specially since, as we saw in FNAF 2, they are......particularly triggered and agressive to adults, specifically, which shows CLEAR negative emotions in play, thus Agony.......unless there needs to be more for Agony to happen that is

Regarding Them targeting Raplh is simple, they are trying to get out of the Pizzeria, and he is in the way. They don't do it out of grief and anger.

as i said above, they are aggressive to all adults in general in the games, as we can hear from Ralph in FNAF 2

The "it's me" part, is just them showing they are possessed, I don't see the argument for anything else.

it shows that they know who they are, and that this isn't how they are supposed to be, and that they are NOT ok with this and in emotional turmoil, getting angry and aggressive just by that being brought up as we see with Chica/Susie

I never stated they were saint What I stated was that they lacked "agony", This does not mean they are incapable of Feeling negative emotions, or do bad actions, it simply means they haven't manifested as powers. Also, As mentioned earlier, Raplh is in the way, and I think it is in more in the line of being scared and protecting themself. Meaning they don't really have "bad intentions" but rather do what they need to and are required to do.

isn't Agony created via tremendous negative emotions? thus a brutal, traumatizing death, would make them have said negative emotions by default? as we can see by FNAF 2, the animatronics, at least in the games, remember that an adult was the one who killed them, or that harmed them, hence why adults are the ones they are exclusive aggressive towards

I hope I explained this good enough.

you did, i just still have contentions is all

Dark rement was only mentioned in the AR game, with loads of questionable lore, so I don't trust anything coming from there.
Also, We know next to nothing about the shadow animatronics, so I don't support using them for lore nor scaling

i mean.......Agony has a description similar to what we see in Dark Remnant in appearance, no? like, being black and all that?

 

[Omegabronic]

Also, We do know that Scraptrap lacks any Remnant, so we can also assume Springtrap possesses Agony instead of Remant, which would make his abilities, death, and lore more fitting to.

i mean.....he shows that he has healing(having a heartbeat now, meaning he has a heart again) which is a Remnant thing, no?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

isn't Agony created via tremendous negative emotions? thus a brutal, traumatizing death, would make them have said negative emotions by default? as we can see by FNAF 2, the animatronics, at least in the games, remember that an adult was the one who killed them, or that harmed them, hence why adults are the ones they are exclusive aggressive toward

As I said, They don't remember their deaths, also there is no proof whatsoever that their death was painful. With the possible exception being Cassidy.

Yeah, the FNAF 2 animatronics are all "scared" of adults, and programed into a police database, but I don't think it was stated anywhere in the games that they were exclusively after adults. It should be noted, that FNAF 2 only has fractions of Remnant due to getting it 2nd hand from the "missing children scraps". So I find the fnaf 2 example far from the best.

But yeah, my point is that While Rement beings can possess negative emotions and negative intentions, doesn't necessarily mean they can use it, and the power of what they can use, is what Agony is.

i mean.....he shows that he has healing(having a heartbeat now, meaning he has a heart again) which is a Remnant thing, no?

I am gonna be fully honest with you, both Remnant and AGony, possess a form of Healing properties, as we can clearly see from the UCN. so that is no real indicator for it being Remnant...

Also, I am gonna be

 

[LightSoul8]

Yeah, the FNAF 2 animatronics are all "scared" of adults, and programed into a police database, but I don't think it was stated anywhere in the games that they were exclusively after adults.

"But the characters have been acting very unusual, almost aggressive towards the staff. They interact with the kids just fine, but when they encounter an adult, they just...stare."-Night 4 phone call, FNAF 2

 

[Darkmon_cns]

On agony vs rement

Agony is literally just the really really bad memorys rement is the rest, there fundamentally the same stuff (memorys left in this world) I don’t think they should be separated at all.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

"But the characters have been acting very unusual, almost aggressive towards the staff. They interact with the kids just fine, but when they encounter an adult, they just...stare."-Night 4 phone call, FNAF 2

I meant actually flat-out aggressive, and my point still stands about them being scared of adults.

Either way, do you agree with the rest of my points?

 

[ShionAH]

Remnant is Agony's subset. Remnant is in general the emotions and memories mixing with tangible and being the soul, Agony is the negative parts (Also called "Dark Remnant" cmon)

 

[Zurawi]

Looks fine.
I agree

 

[Perequeliri993]

You can put for mid tier resistance to Data Manipulation since they can go against their progamming, and "greater" for high and peak tiers

 

[OrangeFR]

I agree with this but I do think Agony and Remnant need to be distinguished from one another. They should still be in the same page but it should be renamed to Agony and Remnant, or Agony/Remnant etc. (You can put that I agree on the crt)

 

[LightSoul8]

While this is better then the original page, it doesn't solve any of the real issues, being that some of the Agony abilities currently count as Remnant...

I agree with this but I do think Agony and Remnant need to be distinguished from one another. They should still be in the same page but it should be renamed to Agony and Remnant, or Agony/Remnant etc. (You can put that I agree on the crt)

Remnant and Agony are now separate.

do we have.......anything exclusive to "Agony/Remnant" combination? or it is just "can use both at the same time, but stronger"

Yeah, just both but a bit stronger.

 

[Perequeliri993]

A minor ability for the spirit key:

Text Manipulation (In the Survival Logbook, spirits were shown capable of communicating by creating faded text, or modifying already existing text)

I know it doesn't follow the three person rule, but it's minor and not flashy enough I'd say it wouldn't be a problem

 

[ShionAH]

Rule should be two characters tbh

 

[LightSoul8]

A minor ability for the spirit key:

Text Manipulation (In the Survival Logbook, spirits were shown capable of communicating by creating faded text, or modifying already existing text)

I know it doesn't follow the three person rule, but it's minor and not flashy enough I'd say it wouldn't be a problem

Rule should be two characters tbh

I guess doing at least two characters for minor abilities and at least three characters for significant abilities wouldn't be a bad idea

 

[Perequeliri993]

I've thought of another possible ability for the spirit key:
Body Control/Minor transmutation (The fnaf 1 and 2 crew can turn their eyes black with white pupils. Spirits can change properties of the animatronics as a consequence of their possession, like how Elizabeth turned Baby's eyes green, or Charlie gave The Puppet purple tears)

 

[OrangeFR]

I’m wondering, what is our reason for all higher-tier remnant/agony users being able to user every other ability below them, even if they didn’t display it themselves?

 

[Darkmon_cns]

I’m wondering, what is our reason for all higher-tier remnant/agony users being able to user every other ability below them, even if they didn’t display it themselves?

Basically that there power is coming from the same stuff, and if the group has more potency then another well, they shouldn't exactly lose ablitys from being more potent

 

[That_moron2]

Bump

 

[Mok_YT]

Maybe I'm late, but can this feat increase the regeneration of higher-tier creatures?

 

[ShionAH]

Maybe I'm late, but can this feat increase the regeneration of higher-tier creatures?

It seems like Regeneration is special to Afton since he is the only one do repeatedly do it, unless the scan is done by someone else

 

[Mok_YT]

It seems like Regeneration is special to Afton since he is the only one do repeatedly do it, unless the scan is done by someone else

as I remember, there is also a puppet that in the story regenerated tentacles from just one of its masks in order to destroy Afton amalgamation.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

It seems like Regeneration is special to Afton since he is the only one do repeatedly do it, unless the scan is done by someone else

Again, I would consider Rmnent as healing instead, for example, we can use William from the books, when he stabs a guy in the heart with a syringe of Rement.