Me not being interested in rehashing another debate with you about the same topic that we already debated on the second page of this thread is not the same as me being unable to respond.
I’m pretty sure spamming is against the rules.
I’m not pretending. We already debated over the tiers on page 2 and that debate was going nowhere and has been concluded. You seeking to rehash another debate about it serves no purpose and is a genuine waste of time.
I agree. Not being able to respond is when a new set of arguments that debunk yours is presented, and you are so scared of trying to debate them that you pretend you already did.
No, actually, you repeatedly refused to address the criteria when asked and we were in the middle of discussing poor descriptions of your scans when the thread was derailed and you stopped responding.
The thing is, in that context, universe is vastly different from worlds and the universe was meant to be a bigger system than world, but as long as he knows, (he does not need understand), but as long as he knows why that won’t fly or grant him High 1-B and ready to restructure his post according to the information, we are good to continue an argument.
Your “explanation” was literally two assumptions. The first assumption being that the “physical universe” was referring to a 3-A or low 2-C structure. And the second being the assumption that the word “world” was in reference to a planet, despite the word world being used in comparison with a lower plane of existence by characters in the story (Animal Man #86) and the author (Animal Man #89).
A physical universe is a 3-A to 2-C structure. That's what the phrase literally means.
Why would this completely unrelated conversation, with completely different context, dictate how we interpret the term world which was distinctly contrasted against the physical universe in the actual scan being discussed?
You can have a structure that are called a universe and still be beyond just 3-A and low 2-C. Similarly to how you can have structures that are called Multiverses but are beyond 2-B to 2-A.
It’s not unrelated as they’re talking about the World Soul which is the “whole amongst wholes in the Body of God/physical universe.” With the World Soul’s true home said to be a plane of existence that is higher than Buddy’s plane. Making you and Pains interpretation of the physical universe and wholes being just fractals of a 3-A or 2-C structure impossible.
I made absolutely no assumptions, just followed what the scans said and posting scans from a vastly different context won’t change a single thing but since I’d like to give you a benefit of doubt that you are not what Deagon and Ant claimed you are but tbh you are kind of proving them right and I’d be frustrated too.
This is a non-sequitur. A multiverse can vary wildly in terms of how many universes it has. This concept doesn't apply to a single physical universe.
Distantly related, then. The point remains the same.
Where is the scan that says the World Souls true home js a plane of existence higher than Buddy's" and why would that make it impossible for the physical universe to be low 2-C?
That’s not the part of the text I’m referring to. I’m referring to the part where the Spider Queen talks about how the World Soul is a higher plane of existence than Buddy’s plane. With the World Soul being later stated to be the whole amongst wholes in the physical universe.
The only thing the spider queen said about higher plane in that scan was
So what are you still arguing??
If you look closely enough at his scans, he does this constantly. He just hopes no one notices.
You’re missing the point. A structure being called a “universe” or a “multiverse” doesn’t restrict it from reaching the higher tiers. We analyze the size of structures based off the size shown, not what they’re called.
I already posted the scan in response to Pain. And it would make it impossible for the physical universe to be low 2-C because if the World Souls sits as the whole amongst wholes of the physical universe and it’s true home is a higher plane of existence than Buddy’s. That would mean the physical universes “ wholes” would be levels of existences.
I didn't miss the point at all. I explained why your comparison was faulty, hence why your point is wrong. A physical universe is not comparable to a multiverse in terms of how and why its size can vary.
First, scans for these statements. I have seen no evidence to suggest the World Soul is from a higher plane than Buddy. Second, being greater than a 2-C construct doesn't mean you can't be 2-C. You need to read the tiering criteria. Third, the world soul was called a whole among wholes. Not the whole among wholes. Very different.
Why would it mean that?
And what you showed so far does not change the fact that this universe of yours is just low 2-C
Although I can’t find what you showed to me that says what you are claiming as I have already addressed your points.
It does have bearing when you factor in that the World Soul exist as a whole amongst wholes in the body of God.
It does mean something as the World Soul is essentially a thing of a higher plane of existence. And if it’s also a whole amongst wholes in the physical universe, (Animal Man #88) then that means the physical universe must be comprised of higher planes of existences and not a fractal of a 3-A or low 2-C structure like you were claiming.
I posted the scan because it supports the World Soul which exist as a whole amongst wholes in the physical universe being of a higher plane of existence. The other part of the text you’re addressing is talking about the pandemonium occurring on earth. Which is definitely in reference to a planet however the one about the physical universe is not. For the reasons expressed above. That is what I’m arguing.
Containing the world soul isn't proof it's above 2-C. None of your scans in the World Soul section say what you claim they do.
The only reason you gave was that the term "World" was "consistently used to refer to planes of existence" which has been debunked. You've provided no other explanation as to why it would mean something other than a planet other than "trust me bro."
You've also provided no proof of this assertion despite being asked repeatedly.
“Its place as the whole amongst whole in the body of god (the universe)”
??? I never claimed that scan referenced higher dimensions. I’m using it to establish that the World Soul exists as a whole amongst wholes in the body of God. Which is clearly stated in the text. The scan about the World Soul being of a higher plane of existence comes from this scan which I already posted to you.
Existing as a whole among wholes in the body of god, stated to be a universe, means nothing
yes it can be of a higher plane and still remain as Even 5-B, especially with all the context around it
Your refusal to accept the things presented to you, has nothing to do with me and frankly not my problem.
it has already been proven that there is no hierarchy of universes and also in the scan
there are no mention of imaginal worlds in this scan, like common, this is literally a goodbye post for the last issue of Animal-man.
means nothing in reference to tier in the context they were said, they were not even called higher and more fundamental and foundational realities what was said was this instead
first this scan is a prove of that there is no hierarchy, if the imaginary worlds were just stated to be above 3-D maps realm,
there is no structure stretching to infinity,
Trying to untangle the cacophony of ways in which Xear has misrepresented the evidence in a thread he's made is a herculean task unto itself.
Just to address some things.
You've made a truly enormous leap in logic here. The fact that the World Soul is from a higher level of existence, and is a "whole among wholes" in the Physical Universe doesn't indicate that the term "wholes" is referring to levels of existence. The fact that one of these wholes is from a higher level of existence doesn't mean wholes are higher levels of existence. There's literally just no basis for saying that.
The writer never said this. At one point during a monologue the Writer asks "it makes you wonder, who's dreaming who?" That is a question, not an answer. There's no reason to interpret it as him saying "beings dream each other."
Mostly because the idea of a "real" thing being born in a "fictional" universe is truly nonsensical. It fundamentally violates the notion that the world being inhabited is fictional.
Sorry my bad, guess it was not you.
This is just straight up BS
Did you do this entire thing of misconstructing statements to fit your own narrative on purpose??? Like tbh Deagon was right when he was ranting some days back.
That seems to be a valid question in this case, given that Xearsay has repeatedly done these kind of extreme exaggerations in different discussion threads if I remember correctly.
It invalidates it because fictional things cannot contain real things unless the narrative supports that notion, which it doesn't. Otherwise it's a completely ludicrous suggestion
I already know that in the context of the scan the “physical universe” is being treated as something larger and different from our world. What I’m saying is that we have no proof that because it’s called our “world” that it’s referring to a planet. And neither do we have proof that because the system of wholes is called the “physical universe” that it’s referring to a 3-A or low 2-C structure. The last time I questioned you on this, you just claimed, “I’m not going the roundabout with you.”
How does humans and God being made up of the same substance = all humans are made up of God?
There is no 1-B hierarchy, address my post above talking about your number 4 point
There's no evidence of this.
We have no proof its a level of existence either. What's your point?
Except for the name "Physical Universe."
I will like to change this
There is no 3-A physical universe, address my previous post.
No where does it say the universe consist of only three dimensional space in that scan. The scan doesn’t even talk about the physical universe. The scan talks about the cosmology presented in shamanism being made up of three worlds. With the second to lowest world being 3 dimensional. This is yet another example of the word “world” being used to to refer to more than just a planet. And since you’re associating this scan with the physical universe which describes our world as like a cell in it’s system of wholes, you’d be implying that the word world was used to refer to 3-D reality. Meaning you literally just refuted yourself.
