DBZ Fusion Reborn - Description Addition

[StrymULTRA]

Alright, so, given that Buu saga God tiers (thus also GT characters as a side effect) became 2-C after Buuhan's upgrade, I'll throw my piece about some of the feats they have.

Janemba

So, we know that Janemba has completely distorted the Afterlife, and I believe that it is a Low 2-C for the following reasons:

• When he was born, the afterlife was instantly warped, including Hell, with said power implied to be generated with the evil ki that Janemba was made from.
• Janemba and his warp are directly linked to each other, as shown that insults affect both his warp and his physical body, and when he died, the warp he has generated came away in less than 30 minutes.
• Janemba is also shown to being able to manipulate said afterlife.

As a supportive thing, Goku when he became SSJ3 warped by himself the afterlife as well, just not to the extent Janemba did.

Not to mention that base Janemba is said to have the strongest ki Goku has ever felt, with him saying that only Majin Buu has pushed him that far. I dunno if that applies to Kid Buu though, so that's up to y'all. Besides he should be Low 2-C at absolute minimum.

Gogeta

Gogeta has quite the feat here.

He is stated that his birth is so strong that it is comparable to the Big Bang itself.



While from its own is pretty vague, I think that "Big Bang" here reffers to the 2-C macrocosm, as his power covered the Otherworld and could be felt also on the living universe.



Plus, he is said to be the strongest fusion of all, which means that he'd be superior to Super Vegito, who could be argued being on the levels of at least Baby Arc SSJ4 Goku (Yeah, fusions in DBZ are broken asf)



Thus making his "Big Bang" explosion 2-C even more supported.

TLDR

• Janemba's minimal tier is Low 2-C
• DBZ Gogeta is minimum 2-C due to his statements and scaling above SSJ4 Baby Arc Goku.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Redundant

 

[Shmooply]

Yeah, this was inevitable. Agreed.

 

[ImmortalDread]

I disagree

 

[StrymULTRA]

I disagree

Woman moment.

 

[Shmooply]

I disagree

Good thing your opinion never mattered.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Woman moment.

and you still love woman :3

 

[StrymULTRA]

Redundant

This one adds also more feats. If you want you can close the other thread and link to this one.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Good thing your opinion never mattered.

aw :3

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

This one adds also more feats. If you want you can close the other thread and link to this one.

Or you could go there.

 

[ImmortalDread]

This one adds also more feats. If you want you can close the other thread and link to this one.

Why? You created a later thread, you could literally support him in that thread

 

[StrymULTRA]

Or you could go there.

Too lazy, but okay.

 

[ImmortalDread]

I am confused with your definition of laziness if you just created a whole damn thread rn.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I am confused with your definition of laziness if you just created a whole damn thread rn.

I just was not aware that it was made lmfaooooo.

Besides I gave them the information.

 

[Shmooply]

Strym making me do all his hard work for him again SMH.
I'll just copy-paste the evidence in that thread, I guess.

 

[ImmortalDread]

mf, research and then create a thread

 

[StrymULTRA]

Strym making me do all his hard work for him again SMH.
I'll just copy-paste the evidence in that thread, I guess.

I already linked the thread, doodoo.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I will close this one then.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Strym making me do all his hard work for him again SMH.
I'll just copy-paste the evidence in that thread, I guess.

aw, truue friendship

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

@godofice @StrymULTRA

We can discuss this here now, since the other thread got applied. Godofice wanted to also discuss fat janemba scaling while we are at it.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Why doesn’t Fat Janemba scale to the 2-C if he scales to toeiverse Buu saga goku?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

To back it up both Dub and Sub describe Fat Janemba as having the strongest ki Goku has ever felt.

 

[StrymULTRA]

@godofice @StrymULTRA

We can discuss this here now, since the other thread got applied. Godofice wanted to also discuss fat janemba scaling while we are at it.

Discuss what

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Discuss what

Fat Janemba is 4-B. Your proposal would put him at 2-C

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Fat Janemba is 4-B. Your proposal would put him at 2-C

Fat Janemba should be 2-C from upscaling SSJ3 toei goku

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Fat Janemba should be 2-C from upscaling SSJ3 toei goku

Ssj3 practically stomp him. At best would be downscaling for not getting one shotted. You meant Ssj2 ayy

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Ssj3 practically stomp him. At best would be downscaling for not getting one shotted. You meant Ssj2 ayy

Yeah mb

 

[StrymULTRA]

Fat Janemba is 4-B. Your proposal would put him at 2-C

Fat Janemba should be 2-C due to Goku saying it's the highest ki he's ever felt, making him > Kid Buu.

 

[Thelastmlg]

yeah that seems fine, and shouldn't this be post-vegito division? cuz base goku after that is already 2-C

 

[StrymULTRA]

yeah that seems fine, and shouldn't this be post-vegito division? cuz base goku after that is already 2-C

Yep. And it's supported from Gogeta being stated to be the strongest fusion.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Yep. And it's supported from Gogeta being stated to be the strongest fusion.

veku>>>

but yeah, this should be fine then

 

[StrymULTRA]

veku>>>

**** I legit had to google to see what u meant lol.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Agree.

Edit: Vegito being > SSJ4 is a complete no-go, by the way, considering GT Goku considers second form Baby alone to be the “largest Ki I’ve ever felt”, which would include the likes of the aforementioned people.

 

[ByAsura]

He is stated that his birth is so strong that it is comparable to the Big Bang itself.



While from its own is pretty vague, I think that "Big Bang" here reffers to the 2-C macrocosm, as his power covered the Otherworld and could be felt also on the living universe.

We've had this discussion before, and there's some reservations about the big bang scaling to AP in general due to physics, but I don't think we know how it really works in Toei.

I guess it doesn't matter anyway because Gogeta is 2-C.

 

[StrymULTRA]

We've had this discussion before, and there's some reservations about the big bang scaling to AP in general due to physics, but I don't think we know how it really works in Toei.

I guess it doesn't matter anyway because Gogeta is 2-C.

It's more supportive evidence for his 2-C tier anyway, as he's > Vegito regardless.

 

[BlastX]

Does it even count if Gogeta existed before Vegerot? The statement was made without the Potara being even conceived.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Does it even count if Gogeta existed before Vegerot? The statement was made without the Potara being even conceived.

Janemba is stronger than Hirudegan, meaning that it was involving end of Buu arc Goku in the fusion.

So yes, it counts.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Daizenshuu puts Fusion Reborn before the Super Buu fights, so Goku only fought Innocent Buu at that moment
It's also the only time Goku was actually dead and stuff

 

[StrymULTRA]

Daizenshuu puts Fusion Reborn before the Super Buu fights, so Goku only fought Innocent Buu at that moment
It's also the only time Goku was actually dead and stuff

It wouldn't make sense then for later on for Janemba being said to be stronger than Hirudegarn later kek.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

It wouldn't make sense then for later on for Janemba being said to be stronger than Hirudegarn later kek.

The statement says is because Janemba could give Ssj3 Goku fight. That refers to Super Janemba, as fatso couldn't land a single hit to Ssj3 Goku.