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I think the idea is that the AP is equivalent to 5D, or rather, inaccessibly above 4D?so no 5D?
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I think the idea is that the AP is equivalent to 5D, or rather, inaccessibly above 4D?so no 5D?
Uncountably infinite amount of universes is above baseline 2Awe haven't used dimensional tiering since 2019,i think
+ Low 1-C can just be uncountably infinite universes
Which is also why the "infinitely superior" stuff is irrelevant, I suppose. Since we're not talking about a transcendental dimension, right?The fest is basically destroying uncountably infinite universes across time. So no, "5-D" isn't the argument here.
I know that.Uncountably infinite amount of universes is above baseline 2A
Countably infinite universes is baseline 2A.
Uncountably infinite universes is Low 1-C.Uncountably infinite amount of universes is above baseline 2A
Countably infinite universes is baseline 2A.
This isn't helping anything.DB is a overwanked verse and this "upgrade" won't help DB fans reputation at all.
If the argument presented is legit, then it's not wank....Lol, let's call the staff, anyway, this is going to get rejected, to be frank, I LOVE Dragon Ball but I have to admit that DB is a overwanked verse and this "upgrade" won't help DB fans reputation at all.
Calling wank is actually wrong here. You only wank is when you claim verse tier without backup, evidents and being unreasonable. But in here they make effort to upgrade and make an reasonable CRT so people could discuss, their reputation is not damage at allLol, let's call the staff, anyway, this is going to get rejected, to be frank, I LOVE Dragon Ball but I have to admit that DB is a overwanked verse and this "upgrade" won't help DB fans reputation at all.
DBS Zen'o and IZ "2-C" key wouldand I don't even think anyone in DBS would scale to this cosmology upgrade? So it would just be DBH who's profiles will be altered.
Most likely Yeah.and I don't even think anyone in DBS would scale to this cosmology upgrade? So it would just be DBH who's profiles will be altered.
timeless void is not a reason to infinite speed hereI agree.
I also think they should have infinite speed because they can fight on the demon world, which has no time.
But the point is that the encompassing timeline has infinite superiority over lower 4D universes....same way a 4D timeline has infinite superiority over 3D objects.I still dont understand the weird logic of bigger timeline encompassing smaller timelines being 5D due to uncountable snapshots when its simply just a bigger spatio-temporal timeline encompassing smaller 4D timelines which makes it 2-C or low multiversal to multiversal+ depending on number of universes being encompassed and not just uncountably larger
I believe reason why timeline is Low 2-C is not because of uncountable snapshots(there is no way to know how many snapshots are there in a timeline) but due to it being combination of 3 spatial+1 temporal dimension which makes it 4D space and time continum making it on par with 4D spatial spaces ie qualifying for Low 2-C so I dont really agree with the upgrade
But for now,I will remain neutral and just watch over this thread as this reasoning is not something I can understand
I'm going to explain it to the best of my knowledge so you can make an informed decision.reasoning is not something I can understand
I dont get the encompassing being equated to infinite superiority.Makes no sense to me.But the point is that the encompassing timeline has infinite superiority over lower 4D universes....same way a 4D timeline has infinite superiority over 3D objects.
3D < 4D universes < Hypertimeline.....with hypertimeline having same lvl of trancendence as 4D over 3D....hence low1C.
No one is using that as proof...I dont get the encompassing being equated to infinite superiority.Makes no sense to me.
Timelines only has such superior over 3D universes not because they encompass them but because timeline is 3 spatial+1 temporal making it 4D spatio-temporal dimension meaning its qualifies for Low 2-C.So "hypertimeline" just encompasses timelines means its 2-C.Merely encompassing something doesn't equate to higher dimension jump or a uncountable increase
Thanks for the explanation but unfortunately I will have to disagreeI'm going to explain it to the best of my knowledge so you can make an informed decision.
Consider a single universe. Conventionally this is a 3D object at any given moment in time. Now if you allow time to flow, you can imagine each sequence of events creating a snapshot in some later point in time. If you allow time to be continuous, when you "stack up" (like a tower of pancakes) each snapshot, you'll arrive at uncountably infinite moments of a 3D object which effectively "builds" your low 2-C structure.
Since the Multiverse in DBS/DBH are 2-C structures sharing a timeline, the argument is the "moments" are 4D, so when time is allowed to flow, the overall object that results (i.e. the pancake stack) is an object uncountably infinitely larger than a 2-C object which meets the requirement for a low 1-C cosmology.
This is the argument as I understand it.
I see...I thought the hypertimeline encompassing uncountable infinite 4D timeline is the reason why Low 1-C DBH is being pushedNo one is using that as proof...
Many people provided extra evidence for Inaccessible infinite superiority as proof...
Now the point is would mods accept it...
Or more specifically Ultima.
Time is considered "continuous" on this wiki afaik, what that mathematically translates to is an object which has a 1-1 correspondence to the real number line which has cardinal of the continuum (ultima probably could explain that better).I dont understand why timeline flowing necessarily equates to snapshot uncountable infinite 3D objects
Hmm I see what you are talking about,but isn't continous 1:1 correspondence countable infinity like in case of set of natural numbers and not uncountable infinity like in case of set of real numbers where 1:1 correspondence isn't true?Time is considered "continuous" on this wiki afaik, what that mathematically translates to is an object which has a 1-1 correspondence to the real number line which has cardinal of the continuum (ultima probably could explain that better).
Go on Ultima's message wall, I think he explained this there. Thought I'm not sureHmm I see what you are talking about,but isn't continous 1:1 correspondence countable infinity like in case of set of natural numbers and not uncountable infinity like in case of set of real numbers where 1:1 correspondence isn't true?
I believe natural numbers are considered discrete, which are countably infinite. The real numbers are continuous as you shouldn't be able to find any gap between any number that cannot be filled by more numbers.Hmm I see what you are talking about,but isn't continous 1:1 correspondence countable infinity like in case of set of natural numbers and not uncountable infinity like in case of set of real numbers where 1:1 correspondence isn't true?
Okay,let me check.Go on Ultima's message wall, I think he explained this there. Thought I'm not sure
Natural numbers are considered countable infinity because of there always being 1 to 1 correspondence so every number in natural number set would have a equivalent next number matching it.However for real numbers its considered uncountable infinity like for example 0 and 1 which as Cantor diagonal theorm proves that there is always a unique number which entire infinite set of numbers doesn't have hence not fulfilling 1 to 1 correspondence and being declared as uncountable infinity.Though I dont know about natural numbers being discrete.I will have to checkI believe natural numbers are considered discrete, which are countably infinite. The real numbers are continuous as you shouldn't be able to find any gap between any number that cannot be filled by more numbers.
like how when restricted to the set of natural numbers, there are no numbers between 1 and 2.
Do you want to fry our brains?Has anyone considered the fantasy of each pocket reality inside U7 to be as space-time would further complicate things.....basically another layer of space-time from this foundation would lead to 6D cosmology.
4D pocket realities, 5D macrososm, 6D timeline. And a multiverse of 6D timelines.
Good questionDo you want to fry our brains?
The 2-C Universe 7 stuff was already rejected here, unfortunately.We really need to make a thread about the entire cosmology of the entire Dragon Ball verse and decide how we are suppost to treat it (otherwise there always going to be confusion over and over again), but personally speaking it does seen to me that each universes should be treated as their own universal space-time continuum.
Since the Living World and Afterlife in each universe exist in two separated dimensional realms, where time was even stated to flow differently and that the only way to travel between realms its with special techniques (like Instant Trasmission for Goku or Warp for Whis), if it wasn't the case then Living World and Afterlife should physically interact with each other.
Meaning each timeline in Dragon Ball its made by a 2-C cosmology structure.
I did specify that this is what i personally think, not what the wiki currently think.The 2-C Universe 7 stuff was already rejected.